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What's the deal with pseuds and Gnosticism?
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>>24687137
I would be very interested to know how they understood the soul and the spirit as well... admittedly I don't know a ton about Gnosticism proper, but I recall that many of the writings we've found differ so greatly that it's really unfair to group them all under one umbrella. I think our only knowledge of Gnosticism before Nag Hammadi came from church leaders like Irenaeus who were writing rebuttals.

>>24686948
Interesting, I had always figured it as a direct offshoot of Christianity developing some time after the current canon had already finalized, but that's probably not accurate. It's easy for me to place it at the end of a timeline of low to high Christologies, but I'm sure the reality is more complex. Those excerpts are fascinating though I can't quite comprehend what they're getting at. I need to sit down and read some of the Gnostic gospels at some point.
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It's captivating and appealing on a deep level. I dropped it entirely when I actually understood Christianity and realized it made all gnostic nonsense unnecessary.
>>24684434
>the metaphysics and details of traditional Christianity are very unappealing.
The people who say this have most likely not delved deep into the metaphysics and theology of Christianity
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>>24684209
>>24684229
>>24684613
Exactly when people say reality is evil they don't mean just the current or historic human experience of society and suffering of earth.

Instead the very foundations of the universe and existence itself are evil. The laws of physics are such that there will always be scarcity due to entropy and a limited mass-energy in the universe. Godels incompleteness theorem proves that we will never be able to understand all of reality, and evolutionary pressures result in eternal competition, conflict and systems of parasitism.

It's a heinous reality. Things didn't have to be this way. The laws of physics could have been such that there would be no scarcity and no conflicts. Mathematics could be such that we could understand everything eventually. And evolution could have been such that there would be no pressure for competition.

These things aren't fundamental to existence or being. It's just fundamental to our reality, which is why it's evil.

Nothing to do with resentment or my personal life. It applies to all lifeforms that exist in this hellish universe.
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Lately I've started making threads about any random shit and claiming it has hidden esoteric Gnostic themes
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It's a brilliant belief system because it absolves you of all wrongdoing and you don't even have to be critical
>anything that goes wrong is the fault of the demiurge
>anyone telling you that you're an unemployed schizophrenic is just a hylic agent of chaos you can ignore

why doesn't futurism have any notable novels?
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This too I think:
https://youtu.be/HHWKP3khY0c

Or maybe pointing to it. Like cyberpunk but not pessimistic. Futurism aestheticized violence and treated war as exciting and that was also wrapped up in affirmation of technology, speed, and the future. It's optimistically destructive. Nowadays it pulls heavily from video game aesthetics. The Grimes video for 'Power' is very futurist, her and Musk or whatever other weirdos were involved in that knew what they were doing.
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>>24686058
1 no it's not 2 no it doesn't 3 it's trash not worth talking about
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>>24686099
Holy shit this is bad. It’s also not “futurist” as it’s just calling back to tropes established by movies like “Blade Runner” and other works in the cyberpunk movement.

Thinking of recent music with excessive dynamism, maybe iglooghost or something.
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IT STARTED WITH A MINOR SEEMINGLY
INSIGNIFICANT INCIDENT that was decidedly private in nature... "

Do yourself a favor and read the brilliant English translation by Gauger.

>they're called oliphaunts
Tolkien really halfarsed this
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>>24687463
Oh shit.
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>>24687465
Obviously talking about tubers.
>inb4 tubers are potatoes
No they aren’t
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>>24687405
>you tards
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>>24687665
Correct, everyone is a simpering idiot except me.
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>>24687405
po tard do. boil em mash em stick em in a stew

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Why women are more obsessed with literature than men does?
Is literature inherent a feminine hobbit?
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>>24686929
Might be the first time I laughed at a hobbit reference
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It's social conditioning
Growing up I used to read in the library during my lunch breaks at school and I got bullied and called a faggot for it
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>Today, a group of schizoid autists who never interact with women will explain to you WHY women do not read *real* books while dodging that most men do not read *real* books either.
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>>24684227
>Why women are more obsessed with literature than men does?
unholy esl or actually retarded
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>>24686890
are you being paid to be that stupid?

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Recommended reading charts. (Look here before asking for vague recs)
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb

>Archive:
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads:
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

>Previous:
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>Thread Question:
Are there any worthwhile novel novel to comic adaptations or vice versa?
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>audio"book"
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>>24687332
check /t/
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>>24687332
audiobookbay
That's really what it's called. Google it. It has nearly everything. You need to make an account to download the torrents. Making an account is free. You might struggle to find seeds there too, if the book is old or niche enough. However, the seeding there is pretty good in general.
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>>24687236
it was actually ironiy all along? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!
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what lit should i consume in preparation for halloween?
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Ligeia by Poe
The White Old Maid and In The Hollow of the Three Hills by Hawthorne
He also wrote a good story about a black mass but I can't remember the name of it.
Under the Knife by HG Wells
The House on the Borderland
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This is a good book if you’re 6 and like goblins.

Thoughts on this guy? It seems like half the people that know who he is hate him, or at least call him a liar, but I've yet to see any actual falsehood that he's ever published.

I have next to no frame of reference when it comes to scholarship so I can't tell without external works... Is there actual controversies surrounding this man, or are all his "critics" just the people he criticises unable to give real answers? I've tried to find books that try to answer his, and from the sinopsis and the way they're talked about, they're all seemingly focused on the theological implications as opposed to calling him a liar... but then turn around and call him a liar, despite never pointing out lies.

I don't get it. Give me a straight answer, is he saying the truth or not? Are his books reliable sources of information?
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>>24683552
Jesus the Catholic/protestant/orthodox version was certainly a guy with apocolyptic messages in his ministry but was also doing a lot of other things and the Messiah bit was the important one.

The NW scholasticism is attempting to use the Bible and figure out what Jesus was if you only use evidence that is ‘credible’. Ie, a priori the miracles are thrown out. They also use 3 criterion to determine if biblical claims are likely true or false. Very basically:
1. Is it embarrassing for Christians (like the women being first to the empty tomb, since women are stupid gossips it’s damaging to the credibility that the people who saw it empty are women.
2. Does it make sense given the era it was written. for example, in an extreme sense, Jesus talking about an iPhone isn’t credible. This applies to things to regarding Jewish thought and tradition of the era. If Jesus was ranting about speaking truth to power and respecting pronouns we’d know it’s fake because it wasn’t an idea a 1st century Amorite would have.
3.multiple attestation: how many people said it from differnt sources.

The thesis of APotNM is that Jesus was a crazy homeless guy ranting about the imminent end of the world, which can be extracted from the Bible but BART sort of waves away the exorcisms and the teachings that were pretty radically against current Jewish teaching, such as love your neighbor. And don’t stone people over minor infractions of the law etc. he also has to explain why Rome would crucify a homeless looney etc etc.

The field has long since left this behind and focused on Jesus as an exorcist/healer. Jesus as a Jewish irredentist.
To put it lightly the Apocolyotic prophet just requires to much cherry picking and waving away and broad interpretation to make work and was more interesting as one of the first critical attempts to find a ‘real’ Jesus that lead to more credible explanations of Jesus teaching.
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>>24686518
>the teachings that were pretty radically against current Jewish teaching, such as love your neighbor
Loving your neighbor is/was a fundamental teaching of the Torah. Israelites were supposed to treat anyone in their land as one of their own, and refrain from doing unto them what they would not want done unto themselves. This is attested to throughout the OT, in the Mosaic laws and in the teachings of the prophets. In fact, I've heard it argued that this is one of the key beliefs that set Israelites apart from other societies of the time. Now, did people follow this rule during the time of Jesus? No, hence His teaching to do as the Pharisees say, but not as they do. Jesus' teachings got to the heart of the Mosaic laws and uncovered their underlying morals, thus interpreting them in a more universal sense, but in general, none of Jesus' teachings were radically against the morals of Hebrew society at the time.
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>>24686518
>BART sort of waves away... ...the teachings that were pretty radically against current Jewish teaching, such as love your neighbor
More recently Bart has written a book (not yet available to buy) arguing that Jesus may have more or less invented/popularized altruism in the west, at least in the sense of a truly universalised (among humans) self-sacrificing effort to care for others.
https://ehrmanblog.org/the-origins-of-altruism-my-next-book-as-it-stands-now/

I'm not sure how he squares that thesis with the story of the non-Jewish woman who is called a dog and expected to beg for crumbs though.
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>>24686604 (cont.)
It's actually funny that Christians would think of him as anti-Christian when, imo, for a well-studied non-believer, he's about as sympathetic as they could hope for.
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>>24686630
>>24686557
>>24686518
I don't see why he couldn't be both?
Guy who says the world will end soon but also does some exorcisms in the meantime?

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Give it to me straight, how horrified would he be at the current state of the world?
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>>24687184
He'd kill himself if he could see things now.
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>>24687184
Bret Michaels is still alive.
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He was a weakling crybaby, what he thinks about anything is below us who can at least get out of bed without crying
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>>24687184
Its interesting that literary culture of melancholic libs he grew up in and found success in is like completely gone now. Good riddance.I would look forward to his appearance of the Adam Friedland show
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he would have survived if he had been brought up in anywhere but the pill subscribing west

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>Aristotle considered fiction to be superior to history in cultivation of the self
>Alexander the Great considered sports a boring waste of time and preferred to stage theatre and poetry readings rather than sports contests

When did you realize that the “greatest” Greeks were just eggheads?
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>>24687612
So headcanon then?
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>>24687616
You’re going to be shocked to learn that Plutarch is a major source for academics because he used mostly primarily sources which are no longer available, and that any academic book on Alexander, every academic book on Alwxander, draws heavily from him. You’re probably about to shit yourself when I tell you this, but Arrian is also a major source used by scholars of classical history and Alexander. And just wait until you find out that Polybius is a major source for history of the Roman Republic. I can smell the shit in your pants through the screen
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>>24687199
>Most masculine men love history podcasts
History podcatst are just gooning material for guys who get boners daydreaming about Napoopan and how they could win the ACW for the Confederacy.
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>>24687636
Polybius was literally there in Rome hanging out with Scipio Aemilianus. Name one primary source of Alexander's time.
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>>24687691
Polybius wrote about history hundreds of years before his life, you halfwit. He is taken seriously because (like Plutarch) he researched what he wrote about by going a lot of primary sources that are now lost to time. We know the sources they both used but they’re gone now.

Ptolemy is the only surviving substantial primary source on Alexander. But he certainly wasn’t the only one and we don’t always accept what he says because classical scholars compared him to other primary sources that often differed and concluded that Ptolemy was often very biased and propagandistic in favor of Alexander for obvious reasons (being his very close friend)

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Any other books with similar plot/atmosphere to this?
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>>24686649
books about prison?
do you know what internet search is?
>obviously not
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>>24686649
Hard Rain Falling

What are examples of science fiction accurately predicting the future?

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>“Everything is perverted by this civilization, the gentlemen in suits have fouled and besmirched everything. Lithographs and etchings by old dotards like Picasso, Miro, Dali, and others, which are sold in all the stores, have turned art into a huge unclean bazaar. The money they have is not enough, they want more and more. Paintings in oil, in tempera, are not enough; drawings, watercolors, and gouaches are not enough; to make even more money they do their hackwork on stone and put it on sale in hundreds and thousands of copies. They've devalued everything, the bastards. Many of them are burdened with wives and several families, with relatives and friends; they need lots of money. Money, money and the greed for money, guides these wretched old men. Once rebels, they have turned into dirty operators. The same fate awaits the young men of today. This is why I have ceased to love art.”
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Man his early wannabe revolutionary BS is awful, later he cheated up a bit. Some of his early Putin era writing was actually funny.


I don't know why people in the west are so hellbent on discovering some secret avant-garde ideology directing things behind the scenes. Russian nationalism is proudly anti-intellectual. As far as it accepts any ideology it is only on the basis that Russia is right.
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>>24687342
No. The book is significantly better
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>>24687468
i liked ben whishaw in cloud atlas tho
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>>24687517
The actor is good and really looks like the young limonov, however, in the movie his entire biography has been boiled down to "how i got buggered by a negro in new york."
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>>24687683
Was it Chris or Johnny? I hope it was Johnny

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Can I still take something out of literature or should I stick to video games

Also, what's yours?
https://mensa.dk/iqtest/
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>>24684873
i doubt this is a real Mensa IQ test, anon. A 124 IQ is a score achieved by only 2% of people. I doubt that we're all part of that exclusive club
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>>24684877
>>24684899
Based

IQ is trash. Anyone in humanities who takes this soience seriously should be shot.

Kill yourself, OP.
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>>24686969
>I doubt that we're all part of that exclusive club
Why? An anonymous forum is probably the last extant refuge of the scorned high-IQ set.
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>>24685266
what? its probably because ive spent about 3 hours a day doing sudoku variants for the past 6 years kek
why would you go to aliens?

>>24686508
i unironically am lol
most of my great grandparents moved from finland to australia in 1945 kek
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>>24687007
<90 IQ post

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Is this what it feels like to read "a classic that everybody has copied, so it doesn't feel new"?
This was derivative and shallow as fuck
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>>24686539
another one of my favorite quotes:
>Daisy put her arm through his abruptly, but he seemed absorbed in what he had just said. Possibly it had occurred to him that the colossal significance of that light had now vanished forever. Compared to the great distance that had separated him from Daisy it had seemed very near to her, almost touching her. It had seemed as close as a star to the moon. Now it was again a green light on a dock. His count of enchanted objects had diminished by one.

fuck
> It had seemed as close as a star to the moon
is such a great line. An ideal that seams just a hands breadth away from an object, but once you get to the object, it turns out to be lightyears away from that ideal, like the moon really is away from the stars compared to how it seems to be from earth. and that spark of incomparable inspiration dies with that realization.
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>>24682320
>turned out Tom was right about everything
What did Fitzgerald mean by this
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I have a vague memory of when I read it a second time years later and found myself thinking his approach to description almost felt like parody, though that was surely not intended. It's just so particular in structure.
Also Nick was a bit of a homo, which I didn't notice in high school.
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>>24685775
>le semantics
kys already
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>>24687531
>what
WHITE POWERRRRRRRRR


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