Are we more prudish in some ways now? When I read old books, people including men say stuff like "he is as serenely beautiful as Endymion" or "she has such pretty feet" but nowadays you'd seem weird if you did so, even in a piece of fiction - at the very least you wouldn't be able to say them innocently and without irony
>>24749091>weSpeak for yourself, zoomer.
>>24750186>normal heterosexual love is 40 year old guys dating 20 year old womenlol ok. in b4 any stupid evopsych babble. dudes who pursue relationships with women who are 15+ years younger than them are mentally stunted
>>24750224you are trans, and also this is a strawman.
>>24750224Kek, that anon really hit a nerve, didn't he?
>>24749126Underrated post
I would like to know what /lit/ considers their personal favourite or the definitive "best" English translations of Homer's Odyssey. I AM interested in both a verse and a prose translation. For the Illiad I have read both Fagles for verse, and Hammond for prose. I greatly enjoy Fagles verse and I value Hammond's for its accuracy and literal translation of the Greek. Though he often falls into dull descriptions, and lacks the life, energy, excitement, and tension that I have found in Fagles. Now, the Odyssey is ultimately a very different poem to the Illiad in many ways, and thus a great translator of the Illiad may not always make a great translator of the Odyssey. I have yet to read the Odyssey in full, only a handful of passages when I took a Homer module at University. I own Fagle's translation but would love some input on others before I start a full reading.
Ezra Pound, Canto I
>>24749792Fagles, obviously.
>>24749792this is missing Lattimore.
>mogs all that came before and after
With the Church now positioned against AI, what philosophers or prominent ideologies, besides accelerationists and techno optimists, remain on the side of AI?
>>24750234>>24750243I know what it says, I'm asking why. Can you try to explain it at all? Without murdering me and burning all my books, preferably
>>24750261You’re more willing to accept that Jesus is God than you are that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit?
>>24750263I never said that
>>24750274So what’s your foundation? What do you believe in so I have something to build upon. Or do you want to start with Genesis?
>>24750261I’m not trying to be snarky, but a creed is a statement of faith. There is a logic to the Trinity, but its exact realization is a Holy Mystery. I’m sorry for a frustrating answer; believers find it frustrating too, but also beautiful!I hope you’re asking because you’re genuinely interested in God, and not just posting for its own sake. I’m not trained in apologetics, and I’d be sceptical if anyone here claimed to be, and that’s probably why you’re finding it hard to get a worthwhile answer. You’re better off talking to a priest, or a browsing dedicated Catholic forum.
"terrible copy/paste job" edition >>24722983"High School Girlfriend" editionPrevious: >>24707466 (Cross-thread) /wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ (embed)RESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvC (embed)Please limit excerpts to one post.Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported.(And maybe double-space your WIPs to allow edits if you want 'em.)Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24750213Nigger if you're about to link me gay furry fanfic, after I specifically said I didn't want that, I will find you
>>24750175>>24750213>second excerpt, for context they're teenaged werewolves. Liam is a normal teen, Theo has murderdoctor skills for lore reasonsHe works quickly, cutting away Liam’s shirt and stripping Liam bare to below the waist on automatic. The exit wound is immediately obvious. It is a sucking wet crater, ringed with torn strips of skin and muscle, and pimpled with squishy masses of yellow-red granulation tissue that pulsate with a supernatural vitality. Golden light from Theo’s blazing eyes reflect off the moist clusters as he pushes his fingers gently, firmly in and begins to pull apart, revealing thin, semi-translucent fascia and slick viscera beneath. Already he can tell there’s a problem: the peritoneum has healed poorly and the supracolic compartment is bulging, firm and springy to the touch. Unbidden, a voice burns through his mind.Diagnosis: Traumatic penetrating injury; abdominal gunshot wound. Multi-organ system involvement, suspected gastric perforation. Risk of ascites and chemical peritonitis. Exploration mandatory.With his free hand, Theo reaches again for his knife.The subject’s flesh parts easily under the metal, releasing a bloat of trapped bile, stomach acid, and destroyed fleshy structures into the wound. Theo washes it out as best he can with a water bottle from his gym bag, using clawtips on one hand to hold the flaps of peritoneum apart before reaching in with the other to sever the gastrocolic ligament and lift the stomach up. The posterior wall looks good, although part of it is still the milky-white of undifferentiated regrowth that, before Theo’s eyes, is colouring into stroma and parenchyma, and when he’s satisfied the healing will complete correctly he lets it go. The stomach settles wetly back into its cavity as the two ends of the severed ligament reach out for each other like alien questing hands. Then he moves further down, towards where the buckshot tore through wholesale and left only mince and ribbons behind, using the tip of his knife to separate adhesions and excise granulomas as he goes.Throughout it all, Theo keeps a careful ear to Liam’s heart, monitoring for a surprise cardiac arrest. The deeper he gets into it the more comfortable he feels. He examines developing arteries and arterioles with growing confidence, but clinical regard, teasing them out to their correct attachment points to the new-grown tissue rather than letting them find their own way, and at the very least it’s something that he knows he’s doing right. Thick rivers of blood form and overflow in the guttered plastic of Theo’s truck bed as he works, but any slight hesitation he feels at pushing his fingers through Liam’s reforming intestines to retrieve lead shot from underneath Liam’s pelvis is moderated by the knowledge that he didn’t get to sleep through it, when it was done to him. Erythropoiesis is one of the most elevated processes in werewolves anyway. Ischemic injury is unlikely - reperfusion a vanishing concern.
>>24750222the gay furry fanfic posting will continue until morale improves.but more seriously i am really hungry for feedback on the craft, style, tone, etc. but all i write is this shit and so the only feedback i get from readers is "omgggg yasss i love your theo i need more!!!" which i appreciate but doesn't help me much. even the smallest morsel of educated disdain is water at the end of a thousand deserts, and a thousand deserts more will i travel in my search for just a sliver of your contempt.
>>24750213>these paras are a thesis statement for the protagonist for how he justifies murdering people as mercy killingNTA to whom you were talking - if you're going to have gore in your opening paragraphs, you'll have to really outdo it later on because you set the bar that high from the start. Think about the movie "Jaws": Yeah, the girl gets killed by the shark at the beginning, but it's not *super* gory and you don't see the shark in full. The movie builds and builds to greater amounts of on-screen gore until the climax, when you finally see the shark in full and you see that one guy get eaten alive. Consider how much gore you actually need to "show" and how much gore you can merely imply, then figure out how long you can keep going with implication until you need to "show" the gore.I won't say "cut out all the gore entirely" because if you're trying to set the tone for your story, you'll need at least some gore. But consider how much of it you really need to set the tone. Consider the movie "Freddy vs. Jason" in this regard: Yes, the movie starts with violence (Jason killing a topless woman who was trying to skinny dip at Crystal Lake), but it's a low-level act of violence (he only stabs her in the gut) that is also contextualized (Jason's mind is being fucked with by Freddy while they're both in Hell) to set the stage for the violence to come.tl;dr - Don't go balls-to-the-wall with the gore out of the gate, but also don't cut it all out until later. Be judicious on how you use violence and gore to set the tone of your story and the expectations of potential readers.
>>24750262excellent feedback anon, i hadn't considered it from that perspective. gore is a huge part of this story because part of it is deconstructing the PG violence of the show and the other part of it is exploring the protagonist as an utter moral abyss and totally divorced from human sensibility. my hope is that the gore comes across as mundane and flat more than horrifying, in a way.thank you for replying!
Luv me Shae, Luv me Food editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>24729508
>>24749340> its embarrassing to a Christian in a Christian culture to own slavesThe bible literally has rules in it for how to correctly beat your slaves. Americans used Christianity as a justification for their slavery as well.
>>24750084I'm not sure they're defiant about it but maybe.
>>24750100>rules in it for how to correctly beat your slaveswhich are> And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. 27And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.
>>24750220>if you beat your slave too hard you have to let him go freeWow, what an enlightened philosophy.
>>24750280the Bible says that man-stealers get the death penalty. liberals think enslaving men is good
He was a good philosopher and I'm tired of pretending he wasn't.
>>24749494Maybe, but it also corresponds pretty well to reality in my experience, even if accidentally. Anyway, anon is right. India has basically adopted the western conceptions of eastern religion. Modern day easterners' conception of religion is just the western evangelists' and colonialists' misunderstandings, reappropriated. The ancient depth, meaning and complexity, if it was ever there, is gone.
>>24749494No i see legit reasons not to like them
>>24749494they fill up the internet with quantity that degrades it, and many western countries too. Their culture today is also largely connected and americanized. So I wouldn't call the dislike forced.The comment you're replying to is unwarranted though.
>>24748304This isn't a thread about his private life. And moralfagging is always just projection.
>>24748606Jung wasn't a Buddhist, dumbfuck.
>>24749325you are just mad because you have no money to spend
>>24749325Anon, just because you haven't seen the things I have doesn't mean I'm illiterate. You are literally retarded if this isn't an actual concern of yours.
>>24748883Magnets damage disk-based hard drives, the storage on ereaders is solid state.>>24749484Most ereaders are waterproof now, and I hate water damaged books
>>24748772nah.it's original book or pocket edition.
>>24748791Kindle for reading. Paperback for booktock. Hardcover for scholarship
Favourite opening lines in a book?"My name is Ishmael" - Hunting A White Whale, Henry Melville
>I am a sick man, I am a wicked man. An unattractive man>Mine has been a life of much shame. I can't even guess myself what it must be to live the life of a human beingWhich one did it best?
limbus faggots
SEE THE CHILD
best thread to collect passphrase down there...
>>24749533Ok I see him. Now what
I’ve read of Hemingway’s Paris. I’ve read of Borges’ Mexico City. Do “Literature Cities” still exist nowadays? I wouldn’t even say Paris or Mexico City are still bastions of the written arts.
>>24750055No there hasn’t, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>24748598It was never going to work because Melbourne is filled with too many wankers, like Waldun.
>>24750138Hmmmm, who was director of the National Library in Mexico City, ummmmm, I think his last name started with a B…. Fucking retard, thinks people can only be associated with one city.
>>24750203It’s not going to work because of all the Aussies, perhaps the most degenerate race on this planet.
>>24748598>Pic:rel*What Aussie /lit/ is.*What my Gr. 12 teacher made us read instead of Hamlet*Why I'm now a lunatic chud.
Post your own work and critique others.
>>24697242I'm writing a poem for a beautiful woman. Not going to post the whole thing. Give me some feedback on my writing. Here is the start of each stanza.Maiden fair, whose ruby hair, has left me breathless, without air,...Maiden sweet, whose ruby cheeks,has made my heart skip many beats,...Maiden bliss, whose ruby lips,I want to press against mine own and kiss,....
You should be ashamed of yourself. Absolute doggerel.
>>24749139This was for >>24749029. I'd better make that clear.
I have this burning feeling I am out there. My self, my true being, needs me and it pulls me but I am living its shadow and waiting and there are hands that push me downwards and watch me but never approach, never say hi, never let themselves be seen. And I suffer down here, where there is only one path to follow. Why shouldn’t I be loved? Why are you not holding my hand and lift me up for my eyes to see more, to come into being? I’m suffocating on this apple, is the kiss too far from me, is what others claim me to be, sick in this wrong world the only truth you see? Let me be part of the sky, let me breath and let me grow, this here is not my world and you know. Are the tools your pictures and calls the only warmth you can give me? Or is the horse in the race, someone worth to stay? What I need to grow cannot be found down here.
https://suno.com/s/qMGz1iiEkvD4gi1OIt's very deep, you wouldn't get it.
John Williams claims that contrary to what most people percieve from Stoner's story, he led a very good life, better than most actually. So why, after all those ordeals, disappointments, defeats, regrets and so on did Stoner feel accomplished? One would rarely think about what he has been through as an ordinarily happy or complete experience. All that vivid melancholy, the palpable sadness, the (altough most of the time, natural) forced stoicism. Was it the completeness of both the good and the bad? The staying true to himself? What could possibly be worth it to not only endure but cherish a life like that?
>>24750187If that is so how does one reach happiness despite similar circumstances?
>>24750210Skill issue.
>>24750225What would you like me to say? That the real treasure was inside you all along? It’s a bad enough question to bring to the book, let alone your actual life. Most happy people figure out how to live by living. It’s not a worthwhile question because the “answer” is inaccessible to the intellect, and attempts at making such a thing intelligible are bound to be both fruitless and painful.
>>24749107he wanted a mundane life of reading and talking about reading and he got it, it's a boring book about a boring nigga
>>24749107Basically the main reason people like Stoner is just because he's a literally me character. So Stoner must have lived a good life because that way I have the smallest permission to glorify my own mediocre life too. Hey I have a 110 IQ and a bachelor's degree so at least I'm above average. My life is better than most so it was worth something right?
You have until September 22nd, 6:00 PM GMT to fill one /lit/-sized textbox (3,000 characters) with writing inspired by this piece of art from /ic/.https://countingdownto.com/?c=6577554Poetry, prose, greentext, etc. are all fair play as long as your submission fits inside, and exists soley within, a single textbox posted in this thread.(That means no off-site links and no text-as-image attachments!)Each entry will be carefully read by three judges.Your judges are• a normal dog !!71U6V9o4HL7• NomenNomenK !J1INgaNFCk • ineptia !!/7cMIiSCHvi (me)We will decide the winners—1st, 2nd, and 3rd place—following the submission deadline.Additionally, a Strawpoll for “Readers’ Choice” will be created afterward, so that everyone can have a say on who the winners should be.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24741613>>24748683The last two-thirds were a massive downgrade.You spent the beginning with all these nice moral and economical laws and observations—mostly abstract, but still pleasant, with enough beautiful detail/imagery and poetry to make me more than smile.But then you introduce Dudley, and instead of getting dragged down to his level—actually “hearing” him bloviate nonsense about cryptids, steamrolling all the nice thoughts your MC planted in their garden—you continue going on in loose, airy generalizations.The 2nd-person POV absolutely kneecaps your piece, because the “you” isn’t Dudley, it’s some rando watching Dudley do his wacky hijinks.I don’t want reflections—I want the source.Have Dudley hijack the narrative, be the disruptor you’re making him out to be.This is the worst example of what I mean:>If you’ve got purpose you’ve got somewhere to go, someone to be, something to look back on when your years are gone.You have characters now, you’re telling a story, so tell the story.You set up the pins in the opening for Dudley to knock down, but you keep setting up more and more pins, never letting anything hit them.You finally relent in the last paragraph, but at that point the narrative’s too muddled to matter.A dialectic was promised between the MC, who knows left from right and sees true beauty, and “some morons [who] can’t even manage,” but all I read was a monologue that gets more and more confused, a persistence of deflation.I feel like the MC’s pratfall is the physical (“You teeter from side to side”) end-result of Dudley’s mind-virus, and I’m saying that I want the psychic inception of it.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24748658It started with a guy claiming that ineptia was the same guy who draw the previous OP image, which devolve into people shitting up the thread about the image Then someone started spaming diss tracks Then the thread was spamed with AI slop Then someone started fighting about the guidelines, samefagging ensued The thread was so active because of this that we needed two threads for it
>>24746159>feedbackWhich story is yours?
>>24748898The one that ineptia just reviewed>>24748681>>24748683>>24748702Thank you for your feedback. I have some thoughts and questions but I will wait for the results to be posted first.
Bump
>book about young faggots rebelling against mankind and destroying the West in the aftermath of an ill-defined apocalypseIs it worth reading? I know Burroughs is a hack and pedo like all the non-Kerouac Beat writers, but this one sounds interesting given it's basically Mad Max mixed with A Clockwork Orange and given a fag angle. Seems like it could be accidentally/unintentionally based.
>>24749067>Didn't Duran Duran write a song about this book?Not only did they make a song about it, the song was intended for a movie version that never got made. That's how I stumbled upon this book.>>24749264>you won't get anything out of it unless you're already acquainted with Burroughs's work.I already am, I've just never read it given my hesitation about Beat stuff in general.
>>24749058>I will never be part of a post-apocalyptic MännerbundIt might happen sooner than later in certain parts of the world, the U.S especially
>>24749058it's happening tomorrow
>>24748716>Burroughs is a hack and pedo like all the non-Kerouac Beat writersHe's the only literate and proper canon candidate out of all of them and true inheritor of Eurofag interwar decadents and Celine in particular, with surreal and science fiction elements-- give the late work a chance in general.
>>24750174>give the late work a chance in general.Yeah I think I will. I love Naked Lunch and think it was very ahead of its time thematically (it's the defining beatfag book along with On the Road for a reason), my issue has more to do with his other stuff like Queer and Junkie that are constantly fellated by the most insufferable people on the planet.
Opinions?
>>24745882Interesting guy. I mostly think of him as a historical curiosity. Would have been fun to party with. One of my wife's friends is supposedly his great granddaughter. The opinion in her family is that he's a huge piece of shit.
Quite literally just a pedo using muh magik to get away with it
>>24746005What did he write that was fraudulent, in your opinion?
>>24747932>HumorlessYou haven't read a word of Crowley.
>>24749997Big if true. Where are when do you allege he molested children?
Seriously asking here, because I really don't get it. It's a simple activity, yet I have a real hard time with getting into the flow of reading for more than ten minutes. Describing it as mere ''adhd'' seems reductive to me. What are the mechanics of this shit and how do I turn back the gears into a functional position again?
It isn't. You just do it.
>>24748758Doesn't reading easily digestible books kind of end up doing nothing at all to your brain and perpetuates the low effort hedonist cycle further?
>>24749696Obviously you need to give your children Ulysses by Joyce. You know, they might never mature from those picture books.But let's be serious. Let's also imply that you are OP and you know nothing about books. Reading easy books has a different appeal and purpose than reading difficult books.First of all, easy books are easy only if you wanna see them that way. Aesop's fables were written originally for adults. But now we tell them to our kids. If you are low IQ, you'll only see the superficial aspect of them. It's called "death of the author": you can make out what you want of what you read.Secondly, if you really think about it, there is no opposite of easy books. There are just books with a specific purpose, and how well it is implemented.A manual shouldn't be difficult, if written well. An "easily digestible" novel shouldn't be difficult, if written well.The truth is, if you feel the appeal of easily digestible books to the point that you would devote your life to them, that's because you are retarded, not because they are easy to read. Would be able to stomach Dr. Seuss stuff every day for the rest of your life? No. That's because you don't have the brain of an infant.If you are not retarded then it will be difficult to spend time reading slop.The art we consume defines us: you might aspire to be someone who can quote the Bible by heart, but if your mind goes to the Warhammer novels, then that's who you truly are. Same goes with vidyas: you might look up to the Dota fags, but if you can't go beyond League, I'm sorry, but Dota is just too much for you. And as you may know, even League has its depth, but only if you are not a superficial retard.Last but not least, classics are *just* influencial. The Count of Montecristo was written by a nigger who was paid the more he wrote. It's slop before slop was invented. The aristocrats weren't reading Dickens, who was serializing his novel and was loved by the women who had nothing to do all day. The patrician choice was to study the Greeks instead.And the Greeks were killing their philosophers, because they were grooming young men into their useless activities.Pushkin was disregarded, because the true russian complexity lied in theological treatises. In one of his books there is even the word "roastbeef".Shakespeare was stealing, like every other theatre kid of his day, and how many times is there the word "whore" in Othello?Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24748654pedantic>>24748659how do we like kow anything maaaaaan
>>24748647>>24748755>https://archive.palanq.win/wsr/thread/1537742/I just convert my ebooks to audio, there's some decent free models with different voices, I tend to pick female ones