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Why's there so little Mathematical Fiction, when Science Fiction is so big?
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>>24784023
Because 'science' fiction has literally nothing to do with science. If it did it would be boring as fuck
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>>24785195
Retard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_science_fiction
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https://www.quantamagazine.org/which-computational-universe-do-we-live-in-20220418/

>Algorithmica
>In this world, the most natural computational questions are all easy, which makes cryptography impossible. Here, the set of problems with efficient solutions — a set called P — doesn’t just contain the problems we’ve already figured out how to solve. It also includes all the problems in another set called NP, which consists of the problems for which it’s easy to check a proposed solution if someone hands it to you.

>Heuristica
>In this world, there are problems in NP that aren’t easy to solve, but every problem in NP is easy “on average,” meaning it can be solved efficiently in most cases. For example, if we’re in Heuristica, then there exists an efficient suitcase-packing algorithm that nearly always succeeds, but that might fail for a few rare combinations of suitcases and items to pack. (These fast and usually successful algorithms are commonly called “heuristics.”)

>Pessiland
>This is the worst of all possible worlds. In Pessiland, some problems in NP are hard even on average. For these problems, any efficient algorithm will fail not just occasionally but often. Yet these hard problems are not of a kind that is useful for hiding secret information.

>Minicrypt
>In this world, some problems in NP are hard on average, and this hardness is enough to build the most fundamental building block of cryptography: a “one-way function,” which is a function that can be carried out efficiently but can’t be reversed efficiently. Cryptographers have shown that secure cryptography requires one-way functions. And if we have them, we get an array of cryptographic goodies, such as secret key encryption, digital signatures and pseudorandom number generators.

>Cryptomania

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>>24784023
The actual audience for such a thing is pretty small. Most people simply aren't interested. Math people, who might seem the prime demo, even if they like fiction tend to get annoyed at "fake" math, and with good reason- fake science falls into the "maybe things could have gone this way" camp, but fake math is something you can't describe at all without the "but this isn't true and I can prove why" alarms going off, and if you keep it vague enough to avoid that problem then it's also too vague to be at all exciting. Meanwhile those who aren't math people invariably are way off the mark as to both what mathematical work entails and what is interesting about it; not much incentive to try to enter their world if you're just going to sabotage your intellectual merit in the eyes of people you don't even understand while alienating virtually everyone else.

Flatland is a fun read but ultimately has very little to do with mathematics; it's an aesthetic trapping, which is the most you can get away with and it still mostly just irritates actual mathematicians. If something relates to mathematics and is intellectually exciting, it's math itself- if it's anything else, it's trivia or camp.
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>>24784023
Try Greg Egan. For example Dark Integers.
His mathematics invariably develops into mathematics as physics or mathematics as an occupation (or both). Flatland is also mathematics as physics of course. You need to ground it in some way to produce readable fiction.

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What the fuck is wrong with James Joyce?
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Just because Joyce had a scat fetish doesn't mean Ulysses has no literary merit. Can a man not be allowed to create art and have a fetish society frowns upon?
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>>24785680
I don't think anyone said a fucking thing about the literary or artistic merit of Ulysses.
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>>24778823
>it's gross and humiliating but normies live and die for it.
Every species lives and dies for it. Your views on life and the world are far more humiliating.
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>>24785701
Read the thread, retard.
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>>24785709
We're above other species in most other ways, I mean we literally wear clothes retard. Why do muh dick retards not realise how embarrassing they are?

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>be gay hedonist
>write definitive story of how being a gay hedonist ruins your life and destroys everything of beauty and value you touch
>get your dick cut off and locked in a tower until you die
>gay hedonists: "omg hes so based"

I feel like the entire situation could have been handled better by all parties involved.
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>>24785674
As neurotic, talentless, fags in denial tend to do.
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>>24785674
>In early 1900 in Sicily, Oscar Wilde became involved in a relationship with the 15 year old Giuseppe Loverde
He didnt ungay himself it seems
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>>24784920
> write definitive story of how being a gay hedonist ruins your life and destroys everything of beauty and value you touch


Huh? Where can I learn more about this?
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>>24785723
I hate the late Victorian appearance of literary boy buggerers, for whom the steamship and British prestige only represented an opportunity to go noncing about the world. E.M. Forster being another.
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>>24784920
>>gay hedonists: "omg hes so based"
see >>24785216
For every handful of superficial party-gays you get one or two who instead are death-obsessed weirdos; when a gay man makes worthwhile art he's invariably one of the second.
Even the invert who is happy with himself is well aware of the ultimately tragic nature of homosexuality; his duty is to channel that darkness into something worthwhile.

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The state of literature in 2025 is beyond parody.

https://archive.ph/0ZeJQ
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>>24785246
He said the total abolition of marriage as a meaningful entity.

It's a little hyperbolic but it's definitely not a far stretch from what the left is pushing for now ostensibly.
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>>24785246
the "left" promotes marriage only so far as it makes work for divorce lawyers.
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>>24784864
Homoerotic poetry has been pretty common in a lot of major societies throughout history. Its not gonna go away just because it upsets your delicate sensibilities.
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>>24785261
And just what do you think the left is pushing for now?
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>>24783757
It’s not academics. It’s groupthink from a BioLeninist coalition of women, sexual deviants, minorities, Jews, and physically inferior white men. The primary foot soldiers are women. They’re the cause of bias among academics. They’re the cause the bias among publishers. They’re the cause of bias among the media. They’re the ideological foot soldiers of all this shit everywhere. If women were forced back into the home and politically disenfranchised all this leftist bias would drop by 60% overnight.

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Do you think your life will be more pleasant with anyone but me? Think about it!—Ah! certainly not!—Only with me can you be free. And since I swear to you that I will be kind from now on, that I deplore all my share of wrongs, that my mind is at last clear, that I truly love you—if you refuse to return, or to let me come to you, you are committing a crime, and you will repent of it for many years to come, through the loss of all freedom and torments perhaps even more dreadful than any you have known. After that, think back to what you were before you met me.

As for me, I am not going back to my mother’s; I am going to Paris, and I will try to leave by Monday evening. You will have forced me to sell all your clothes—I can do no otherwise. They are not yet sold: they will only be taken away on Monday morning. If you wish to write to me in Paris, address your letters to L. Forain, 289 rue Saint-Jacques, for A. Rimbaud. He will know my address.

Certainly, if your wife returns, I will not compromise you by writing to you—I will never write again.

The only true word is this: come back. I want to be with you; I love you. If you listen to this, you will show courage and a sincere spirit. Otherwise, I pity you. But I love you, I embrace you, and we shall see each other again.
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>In his memory, Verlaine placed their first quarrel during the Commune. In her memoirs, Mathilde corrects: the first violent act against her took place eight days before she gave birth, on October 23, 1871. Verlaine related to her that to gain access to literature, Rimbaud was forced to steal books from bookstores, then put them back or later, in fear of being caught, resell them once read. Mathilde commented: "That proves that your friend is not very tactful." Verlaine then grabbed Mathilde by both arms and threw her out of the bed where she had just lain.
Who was in the wrong here?
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>>24784351
it's crazy to think this was a completely heterosexual letter in the 19th century; men talked like this
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>>24785631
The Brussels police department didn't think so.
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>>24785070
verlaine for not realizing that when you date a child they will act like a child.
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>>24785631
Je suis élu, je suis damné !
Un grand souffle inconnu m’entoure.
Ă” terreur ! Parce, Domine !

Quel Ange dur ainsi me bourre
Entre les épaules tandis
Que je m’envole aux Paradis ?

Fièvre adorablement maligne,
Bon délire, benoît effroi !
Je suis martyr et je suis roi,
Faucon je plane et je meurs cygne !

Toi le Jaloux qui m’as fait signe,

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Next week, the Nobel Academy will bestow this year's prize in Literature. Who do you think will win?
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>>24785564
O. K. Catmom
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>>24785563
Nobody said that about Dylan because no one could even imagine him as a candidate.

>and then houellebecq. screenshot this post
You are a retard. I will eat my copy of Infinite Jest if Houellebecq ever win. Feel free to screenshot this.
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>>24785571
he had a perennial presence in betting odds, obviously some people were imagining him winning
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>>24785577
Murkamommy is always in the betting rosters and he isn't ever winning. The guys who make these odds don't know anything about literature.
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>>24765261
My bet is that Krasznahorkai will win

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Forget the Nobel Prize. When does this video of Houellebecq come out?
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>>24785324
he looks like Mr Boss lol
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>>24785683
Ok cartoon watcher
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I think he successfully sued them to prevent release.

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Satanic panic edition.
Old >>24736100
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>>24785459
Ligotti is a hack
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>>24785703
>t. filtered zoomer from creepcast
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>>24785710
Ligotti appeals to zoomers who get filtered by BASED M.R James
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>>24785718
Lol
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>>24785718
I'm 32 and I enjoy both Ligotti and M.R. James.

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I thought women didn't like sex or intimacy or men or rajas in general. What gives?
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>>24785064
In order to be a grifter she needs to be riding on the hype train first. She has been making videos like it way before.
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>>24784720
non-fiction?
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>>24784008
Social life is storytelling. Women who have no existence outside of social life(most), have all their sexual fantasies tied up in narratives. They will fuck or not fuck the exact same person solely based on whether their narrative is or isn't popular, like being a CEO vs being a software engineer. If being in a homosexual relationship is popular, bisexual women will see themselves as virtuous.
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>>24784008
Morihaus and Alessia
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Women are literally creatures of narrative. They don’t object fixate, but obsess instead over contexts and fantasies and tropes. Men never understand this.

Why has fantasy never had a literary masterpiece?
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>>24783338
Fantasy authors usually aren't writing about topics that the elite tastemakers consider literature-worthy eg. the virgin Struggle Against Evil vs the chad Adultery in the Midwest. And fantasy fans themselves have irreparably damaged the standards of prose in fantasy, so there is some very understandable prejudice. I mean, even now there are people who praise Sword of Shannara.
But all that is immaterial. What matters is that fantasy does not require approval from Big Lit Daddy. It is doing its own thing, with its own fans, and with its own famous masterpieces within that world. That is already as legitimate as anything can get.
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>>24784715
Came here to post this.
Mervyn Peake's prose is a consistent delight iirc.
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>>24783527
>I would say it has literary merit and is a work of literature.
So is The Lord of the Rings, retard. Even The Hobbit as a children’s tale has a lot of artistic merit.
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>>24783566
Iliad and Odyssey are not fantasy, Metamorphoses arguably could be considered one, Aeneid was written to be the foundational history of Rome so not really fantasy either even if most Romans wouldn’t have believed this events to have been literal truth. Paradise Lost is fantasy though the author believed the events to have happened. Le Morte d’Arthur arguably could be fantasy like Metamorphoses.
But doesn’t matter because none of them are fantasy as in fantasy as a literary genre. It’s like those retards that say “Orlando Furioso is actually sci fi because he traveled to the moon” ignoring the whole context.
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Is LOTR anything more than a trip to candy mountain or what? I never read the book or watched the movies.
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>>24784910
that is rather satirical, or at least comedically inverted, not plain jane.
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The quest to mount doom definitely drives the plot like you would expect, but LotR is a very 'big' book, and ultimately the quest is the tip of the ice-berg.

The one ring, for example, is a truly clever plot and thematic device, the extent of which took more than one read through for me to fully understand. But I'm a retard, so idk.
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>>24784943
The One Cock Ring
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>>24784905
what is the literary equivalent of the character dynamic between Charlie and the two demon unicorns
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Is In Search Of Lost Time anything more than a roast of the hypocrisy of the rich? I never read the book or watched the movies.

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There are some deer living near me. A mom and her babies, and a buck. Just passed the buck walking with a very pronounced limp and missing an antler. I’m worried he may have been hit by a car. I hope he makes it.
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>>24785097
I remember how amateurish and bad Philosopher's Stone read, never continued past the first book.
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I love how early 2000s fashion is in again. Give me baggy jeans over leggings on women any day of the week.
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>>24785727
based if true
early 2000s clothes were comfy
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>>24784885
Honestly for anything that isn't electric, gas, or plumbing it's worth looking into diy solutions. Or like roofing. Most home repair stuff is not that difficult

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>God does not exist, He is being-itself.
Is he right?
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>>24784724
Consciousness is existence looking at itself. Perhaps.
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>>24784901
not an argument

>>24784908
> literally what in the FUCK are you talking about rajesh, listen to yourself, there is something, or there is nothing, there is no third category.
That’s a completely arbitrary assumption though, it’s not provable or demonstrable by anything. You are essentially no different from materialists or skeptics who inconsistently give their own materialist or skeptic assumptions a special a priori privilege while pretending not to do so. All of these arbitrary assumptions are garbage and any argument which presumes them is self-refuting.
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>>24784946
>but you can't just attribute to God things that don't make sense.
There is nothing whatsoever that doesn't make sense about saying that the cosmic illusion occupies a liminal space between pure self-sufficient unconditioned Existence and pure nothingness.
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>>24784724
imagine being an intelligent person in a place of influence and power and rather than doing anything about the cultural genocide of the west and the complete destruction of the west that was occurring by the technocrats and financiers, you just play stupid word games about whether the principle/cause of being can be said to actually exist or not
this guy is a retarded fucking faggot and is probably in hell, typifies totally impotent cowardly academics

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Any good brother and sister adventures?
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>adventure story
>literally no mention of Henryk Sienkewicz (In Desert and Wilderness)
/lit/ still not ready for the superiority of Eastern European literature
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>>24785251
You have no emotional maturity so the books aren't good?
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Flowers in the Attic
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>>24782282
Women don’t give a shit about men, not even their own siblings or sons. Tough way to learn that lesson I guess but better sooner than later.
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>>24783939
People who don’t grow up with drug addicts don’t get it anon. They only see them as hopeless victims, which they kind of are in a sense but not only. They are also despicable people that push away everyone who loves them. That’s how they become drug addicts usually.

raiders raiding edition

ASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page
Blog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/
Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/
So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/
Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/
SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdy
General search: http://searcherr.work/
TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chapters

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>>24785600
you mean to tell me he isn't gay for Satin?
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>>24785600
>>24785705
Pretty sure George threw in some homo innuendos between Jon and Satin in their training sessions
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>>24785708
an anon pointed out that almost every Jon chapter has him note how pretty Satin is.
i've never checked his claim because the fatman would do something like this.
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>>24785705
>>24785708
declining to rail a thirsty red priestess when even Stanis can't help himself? doesn't leave much room for doubts desu
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>>24785705
Nah he’s like Ned, who also likes fantasizing about a man


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