So obviously this needs to be read in translation unless you have the kind of autism, and determination, necessary to study old English; but what translation? I have a predilection for any translation that stands out as a literary touchstone in its own right, like Pope’s Iliad or Golding’s Metamorphoses, so, if you can, make a recommendation in that vein.
https://www.scribd.com/document/907181399/Beowulf-a-Dual-Language-Edition-Howell-D-Chickering
Severian gets way too much pussy for me to self insert as him, and for that reason I'm out.
>>25010039Idk I read Butler's prose translation and it was great. Just don't read the one by a woman, for that matter just don't ever read books by women it never goes well
>>25009923>he's literally a schizo and making shit up, half of the events of the book literally don't happenI hate this reading of the book, it's the most braindead explanation and just makes the whole book shit.>>25009957>I think the times when he claims he can't remember something are mostly evasions.Personally I think every time he forgets something/misremembers/gets lost means that something fucky is going on. Could be mixing up his memories with first severian/enters the corridors of time (explains getting lost in the cemetery and meeting vodalus, getting lost and entering the atrium of time).It's also pretty clear that while his memory is perfect he doesn't have instant recall, he probably first has to remember a date or a specific moment and work out from there, and he's still limited by whatever he was paying attention to.
>>25010531Anything to do with the Atrium of Time is associated with Valeria, and thus Severian will avoid talking about it as much as he can without failing to address it entirely. It's safe to assume that he's intentionally leaving out a lot there.
>>25009846You're assuming the concept of rape exists in the future.
Catholicism is Judaism 2.0 designed to efficiently rook the goyim out of their money and self determination.
>openly defies the most powerful entity in existenceWould it be fair to say that Milton's Satan/Lucifer is the bravest character ever thought of?
>>25010036uhh the Catholic Church loves Dante
It's just reimagining him as a Byronic hero
>>25010015pretty sure Milton didn't invent him, or his slightly more aggressive friend
>>25010015Yeah, he's pretty based.
>>25010015The whole point of Paradise Lost is that Satan is fundamentally in error regarding his understanding of God, as well as himself. God is not a tyrant, that is Satan's own egoistic projection. God is the totality, the supreme creator that exists outside of and precedes creation.>The mind can create for itself a hell out of heaven, and a heaven out of hell. (Satan speaking in Paradise Lost)Here the error is showcased. What the world is goes beyond one's own created image of it. Satan glorifies his own ego as supreme.
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>>25010363>>25010363Yes, though they are not taught to do so (as they are also not taught to pray to Jesus, but to God the Father, according to the model provided by Jesus in scripture).> and generally place a low value on women, including the Virgin, seeing them as ultimately subservient to men, not capable of reaching the same level of exaltation as men, and basically only good for making kids.This isn't true. Its impossible to find some census on "Mormon attitudes on women", and these will be what they are, but the idea that women are subservient to men is not part of the doctrine. They have a much higher view of women than traditionalism essentially because they believe Eve is not responsible for bringing evil into the world but, mother of all living, is made the heroic decision to bring humanity into mortal existence. In Catholic teaching Mary in considered as a Second Eve who reverses Eve's shame and is the mother of the new Adam, Christ.> They think Mary was a nice woman who gave birth to Jesus and that's basically all they think about her.This is true that they follow Protestantism in this sense. It would be odd for them embrace a Catholic devotion to Eve, since this originated as a grass roots popular movement which was only accepted by the institutional Church until later. In Mormonism there is female divinity but this is not often discussed with any detail, and probably for good reason because people's perceptions of femininity are so distorted nowadays, that such an exercise would likely lead to confusion and disrespect.
>>25010441>If they believe in anything it's in money and in the performative form of faith best suited to parting lay members from their money.Doesn't seem to me that they are preforming Mormonism just to increase the size of a fund that they don't even use. These are very strange motivations which I have hard time imagining. All that money is embarrassing.
>>25010473Are Mormons well-versed on the Old Testament? Or do they basically ignore it?
>>25010577The Church cycles every four years reading Old Testament, New Testament, Book of Mormon, and Doctrine and Covenants. Early Mormonism had a very Old Testament flavour. Harold Bloom believed Joseph Smith recovered the authentic Jewish religion. Modern mormonism emphasizes the Book of Mormon more than in the 19th century
In my opinion modern Mormonism is a bourgeois misunderstanding of the original revelation, but this is inevitable and maybe forgiven since the original revelation is revolutionary in a way that is beyond description.
This is basically an 800 page advertisement for logical analysis. Russell goes through all the major philosophers, explains why they were wrong and he hates them, and ends by claiming that, if we just get really autistic about language, answering all our questions will be easy.And you know what? He was right. Now we've got it all figured out, and instead of wasting our time with philosophy, we can beat off and play video games.
>>25010269Self-serving auto-biographies written well after events are very poor sources of truth. There is a collection of letters, not just one. Lawrence accurately saw the twisted dwarf and wrote about it contemporanous to the events.
>>25010371yeah, and your twisted /pol/tard fantasies about how russell is ‘muh reddit’ and was btfo by the fascist king lawrence are way more accurate.
>>25009858Give two good examples of where being "really autistic about language" solves a problem that a major philosopher struggled with in their domain, please
>>25010397Rent free in your head
Only to get filtered by this guy
Let's discuss Beat poetry. I'll start"Sweet Boy, Gimme Yer Ass" by Allen Ginsberglemme kiss your face, lick your neck touch your lips, tongue tickle tongue endnose to nose, quiet questionsever slept with a man before?hand stroking your back slowly down to the cheeks' moist hair soft assholeeyes to eyes blur, a tear strained from seeing–Come on boy, fingers thru my hairPull my beard, kiss my eyelids, tongue my ear, lips light on my forehead–met you in the street you carried my package–Put your hand down to my legs,Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25008073Are there any other jewish poetry subjects than religion or sex
>>25008073I mean we can laugh at this now but making a little poem about being a fairy was enough for the government to come after you and be involved in a national debate about obscenity. It took this little to upset the establishment and kick some shit on The Man. The past is a foreign country. Watch some old videos where Ginsberg discusses obscenity and it seems so quaint. Or check out that video where Monty Python have to defend Life of Brian from the archbishop of whatever in Britain. That one is extra funny as I think the pearl clutching bishop was later exposed as a secret fag.
>>25009653This >>25009647It is pretty funny lmao>>25009657There's tons on why the Germans owe them they reparashuns
>>25008073looks like Adam Friedland
>>25008073You can literally imagine an ugly bastard smacking his saliva smeared lips and telling this to a shota in that pervy cracked cigarette smoke voice. Utterly horrific.In the bad sense.
It seems like the only books that sell nowadays are goonslop for women. My ex gf read nothing but goonslop. My sister-in-law reads nothing but goonslop. My coworker listened to goonslop audiobooks on her bluetooth earbuds. I go into the bookstore and half of it is goonslop it feels like. The only time I see women in the bookstore, they are in the goonslop section. The fantasy section has been overtaken by goonslop, and the sci-fi section, being less suitable for gooning, has shrunk to almost nothing. I wanted to talk to the girl there but I realized her standards are probably so high from reading all about billionaire rapist serial killer werewolf men all day that she would be disgusted by my mere presence. Now I want to write my shitty cyberpunk novel, because for once I have creative furor for a publishable idea, and now it seems utterly pointless unless I make the main character a rapist. It feels like no other books sell besides those anymore. Yes I can write for myself like I always have, but I lost interest in writing stories that only I will ever read, as I get older and my time gets more precious to me, as well as my desire to attempt to leave a legacy on this world. And it sucks that my best chance at leaving a name behind for myself, would be to write goonslop.
>>25007476>didnt try out the scenes with her. Anon..
>>25007962I didn't read any of them. I don't know what happens. All I know is it makes women expect to be dating these hyper dominant volatile rapists and I cannot do that.
>>25006896I want to as well but it's just hard because now I'm at this age where I want people to remember me so it's hard to write something no one will read besides me. But I agree man I agre.
>>25006803I love flailing women and cutting women and seeing their inner beauty like every normal man, but you're taking the hate too far. Women are beautiful. The lining of their throbbing red muscles is beautiful. Instead of hating a woman, you should invite her in your home and the, after a sedate dinner, explore her inwardly.
>>25010561What the actual fuck
>Henry Darger was a janitor in Chicago, and he pretty much kept to himself. He never mentioned that he was writing a book. But just after Darger's death, his landlord discovered his magnum opus, "The Story of the Vivian Girls, in What is Known as the Realms of the Unreal, of the Glandeco-Angelinian War Storm, Caused by the Child Slave Rebellion." The book is several volumes and 15,000 pages (single space!) of strange, fantastical adventure stories, accompanied by over 300 illustrations of children and semi-human creatures. Some of the illustrations take the form of collage, and the largest clocks in at 10 feet wide.Are you writing a secret masterwork, /lit/?
>>25007054proto boomers
>>25007506>two microscopic racesthey are called fungi and bacteria
>>25009080did you start doomscrolling instead?
>>25009575No I don't do stuff like that
>>25009080I know how you feel man and it fucking sucks. AYRT here. It fucking sucks. I cannot get lost in my mental visualization anymore. I damaged my brain with lack of sleep or matured. I thought about acid to get it back but that's just hallucinating it's not gonna fix my brain.
/lit/ memes
>>25009187I gotchu, senpai.
>>25004363Their spirits still inhabit Eden, so everything they make/do is addressed to Eternity.
>>24989355Should've shopped Infinite Jest onto a slimmer book.
>>24997407I think this is the lowest numbers which fulfill this pattern, which is cool if a kid really came up with it. pretty sure the next is One Million Ten and so on.
Whoa, so this is the power of intellectual conservatism
>>25010048This is objectively measurable shit you disgusting subhuman creature. I am European and well travelled unlike you. Even watching your retarded movies meant to portray nigger ghettos as poor just demonstrates how rich even they are compared to most Europeans.Driving around the most ghetto places in the southern US all I saw was driveways with expensive cars and even fucking boats. We were amazed at the buffets that cost a fifth of an average cheap meal in Europe. I can not get a house for $100k anywhere, no matter how far into the woods I go.
>>24996718Maybe classically liberal, but it's not and shall never be marxist. There's a difference, between the neo shudra open borders globalist third worldisms, where we must mix oriental djinn brained parasites along with the anglo-"insert european here" population.
>>25009550Go on Xitter right now. Top-to-bottom the entire website is a U.S. government propaganda psyop to push for neocon regime change around the world with every MAGAtard rallying for it. Because that’s all the conservatives can amount to despite how much they attempt to rebrand as “populists” or “isolationists” or whatever else. Mass public opinion on politics does in fact matter and they’ve realized they can engineer it the best with social media. It has become abundantly clear that the system welcomed Trump and his conservative movement because mainstream liberalism was making people too docile, with October 7 really terrifying the ruling class in particular. Once they achieve all their geopolitical aims in solidifying the system using conservative manpower, it’ll be back to our regularly-scheduled programming as usual — demographic replacement, pornification, fertility decline, woke stupidity, etc. Conservatives as usual are too retarded to realize how they’re being used because all they want is to shoot foreign brown men and fuck their women
>>25010578That in no way answered the question that anon posed. It was just more useless frothing at the mouth about events far out of your ability to influence in any way.
>>25010578I'm saying this because I love you. You need an exorcism.
What are some beautifully sad books?
>>25007058Stoner by John Williams
>>25007058Spring Snow
Literally almost every book
>>25007058The Sorrows of Young Werther
>>25007058Try this
Discuss good narrative history books on any subject.>1776 is a nonfiction historical account written by David McCullough and published in 2005 by Simon & Schuster, focusing on the military campaigns of the American Revolutionary War during that pivotal year, particularly General George Washington's leadership of the Continental Army against British forces under General William Howe.https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/77347.1776https://www.audible.com/pd/1776-Audiobook/B002V8KSTW
Social, economic, cultural, and political history of the gap between Alexander’s Death and Rome taking over all the Successor states. Somehow manages to Cram 300 years worth of history into under 200 pages without it seeming rushed. Highly recommended as a quick way to get an overview of this period.
>>25006241Very brown-coded post
I enjoyed it but it's been a few years since I read it
The Struggle for Europe by Chester Wilmot>This text describes the build-up of the invasion of Europe, and the scenes at the beach-head and in the "bocage" of Normandy. It also discusses the disputes among the Allies, the Anglo-American difficulties over Grand strategy, and the friction between Hitler and his generals which culminated in the plot of July 20th 1944, as well as the pincer movements of the Russians and the Anglo-American forces which brought Europe to victory.https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3582996-the-struggle-for-europe
The Washing of the Spears by Donald Morris >details the sixty-year existence of the world's mightiest African empire; from its brutal formation and zenith under the military genius Shaka , through its inevitable collision with white expansionism, to its dissolution under Cetshwayo in the Zulu War of 1879.https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20503403-the-washing-of-the-spears
99% of what he says has been completely debunked by modern psychology and the 1% that hasn't been has already been absorbed into modern psychology
>>25009793Psychology defines insanity as not fitting into your own culture and local values. They're generally liberal in the West but for example society wouldn't say cutting off your own finger to appease ghosts is insane if that is the normal custom and belief of your society
>>25009005Truly it’s hard to witness you make your blatant lack of rhetorical skill the fault of a man asking a simple question. Why so cagey?
>>25009988Everything but Jung is complete garbage.
>>25009026Are you, by any chance, Jewish?Jews have lived as separate communities amongst Europeans for centuries. They have markedly different dispositions to an array of genetic diseases. They have a markedly distinct culture that can't be clustered with any European national culture. Jews switched to the "fellow whites, lets us ally against browns" line only because Israel is threatened presently.You are likely either a disingenuous Jew, or just aren't paying attention.
>>25010536>Heine and Mendelssohn weren't white
The part in Symposium where Aristophanes explains the origin of gender made A&M mad. We are witnessing the decline of Western civilization, in real timehttps://www.sacurrent.com/news/texas-news/texas-am-bans-radical-woke-teachings-of-greek-philosopher-plato/
>>25008750>the police to murder US citizens for protesting.This argument only makes sense if you were outraged at Ashli Babbitt's death.
A libtard made the call and this is completely disingenous. They're pretend Plato is like the troon stuff which should be off the curriculum
>>25007991Texas has been speedrunning "worst state in the US" any%
>>25008456>>25008445Communism comes from materialism. Plato was not a materialist. >but there is communism in the republic! Only for the soldiers. The common people have a 100% free market.
>>25010146We're stepping over that.
>how do I know? Very simple, I read it in a book>I prefer the book to the movie>Wikipedia? I don't accept any source of information that isn't a book. That includes lived experience. >Oh yes, I love me a new series. In fact a new translation is coming out soon of my favorite obscure Mediaeval poet from central Europe who wrote about any warfare and women's underwear using Christian allegory, can't wait to binge read it>I don't really date much because I find conversation boring. Unless it's about books.>Why would I talk to real people when I have books?>video games went downhill when they stopped being text-based.>If I didn't enjoy reading the script, why would I watch the movie?>Tarantino is a bad director, you can tell he doesn't read books, he just watches movies which has nothing to do with his craft >You're bored? I have just the thing for you, a lovely book.>I'm textually frustrated, I haven't had an opportunity to read all day>The world needs less people and more books>Why would I go out to eat when I have books and coffee at home?>I'm sorry, I didn't catch that, would you mind spelling it?>I'm not much of a texter, I prefer writing lettersComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25010428I like the direction. Basically erotic/eros related poems or similar writings by anyone who isn't a faggot(spiritually speaking), could be interesting.
>>25010443John Donne also wrote a lot of religious and spiritual poetry
>>25010498Looks good anon, will be reading him. Thank you.
>>25010520You might just like Metaphysical Poetry in general. There is a good penguin anthology. Here is from Thomas Carew>From our close ivy twines; there I’ll beholdThy barèd snow, and thy unbraided gold.There my enfranchised hand on every sideShall o’er thy naked polished iv’ry slide.No curtain there, though of transparent lawn,Shall be before thy virgin-treasure drawn;But the rich mine, to the enquiring eyeExposed, shall ready still for mintage lie,And we will coin young Cupids. There, a bedOf roses and fresh myrtles shall be spreadComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25010544Indeed, that is of interest. Good share, checking out that penguin book.
