But if you think the writing is extremely amateur then are you implying you could do better? That you can actually write something that entertains a lot of people? Can you really, amateur?
>>25181301Not trying to be cynical, but I believe that high intellect and high empathy is really a curse, especially when society is so degenerated. The cultural environment that's being continuously formed around you by less and less intelligent people is more and more demoralizing and it needs nearly superhuman optimism to find a will to create something by yourself that's valuable by your standards.
>>25181307They’re not the BEST band in the WORLD, EVER, for nothing.>>25181340>high intellectI’m not doubting you, but having that own sentiment about yourself can prove to be more of a hindrance than you’d think since it more often than not comes with a hint of conceit. There are plenty who exist with the same level of intellect, if not higher than you. Once you understand this, you may very well be able to push forward because you can learn from other likeminded individuals more about yourself. I’m not sure if you’re an autodidact or not, but if the latter, my point becomes weaker. Still, convincing yourself that you can do something brilliant without putting that to the test feels empty.
>>25181340Anon, this is cope. Unless we're talking really despicable things, like pornography or drug trafficking, there's no reason you wouldn't sell out momentarily to achieve financial freedom. If you could, why not pump out enough slop to make yourself a millionaire, and in your newfound leisure time, gift us with your works of high intellect?
The writing is perfectly fine if you're like 10-12.
>>25181474You think this shit is ever just one and done? Once they're making your book into a movie, you're fully bought in, you need to churn out slop for the rest of your days or else they'll fuckin kill you
Why does it seem that all anyone on this board wants to write now is either fantasyslop or sci-fislop?I have seen some decently skilled writers throwing themselves away writing the most derivative, infantile, autistic, Royal-Road-coded shit imaginable:>Narrowing his eyes at the approaching hoard of T’zendians, Klayden clenched his fist and summoned forth a burning shadow spear…Just stop! Is this all because you’ve watched a small handful of fat guys be moderately successful producing this gutter oil? Why can’t you write something real? Do you have no real life experience to draw from?Just downright right peculiar, thas’ all.
>>25181282>guise the divine comedy was actually le heckin you have to go back
Not me, desu. I want to write historical fiction mystery slop.
>>25181062because I can add cool shit. The themes are abstract anyway, the setting can be separated so long as you have something grounded enough for a story to happen in.>>25181068haven't read a single one of these (though I intend to read Dune but idk)
>>25181062I liek mysteries and puzzles and also magic :)
>>25181062I read three in one of his series. It's fine for what it is but it's slop. Won't read him again. One of his books could be 300 pages but somehow they're 4x longer than that for no reason.
>1 books completed>3 books behind schedule
>>25179300>>25179308>>25179351You read for enjoyment, for learning new (for you) ideas and concepts and to be able to understand fully more complex and/or historically formed from previous sources ideas and concepts, which in addition to better understanding of world, man, logic and other various entities and their structures also leads to more enjoyment of better quality and better variety of it.So reading certain books you don't like, that nevertheless are the foundation of some books, concepts and ideas, that came later, if only as a thing refuted by those newcomers, is important to properly understand this newcomers in the first place.Which is precisely why "start with greeks" is a good advice even when it is parroted mindlessly.
>>25180499>Which is precisely why "start with greeks" is a good advice even when it is parroted mindlessly.Some of the earliest greek philosophy is just obvious if you grew up somewhat educated but didnt read a ton of philosophy. I always feel like i need a more abridged list of books when reading greeks so i dont read redundant shit.
>>25180190this is a literature board and you haven't read a single work
>>25180764wdym? he read hyperion
>>25180190>scott bakkerwhat a fucking slop, doesn't count
Chtorr editionHere we discuss any kind of science fiction and fantasy.>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
>…The most tragic case of a continuation novel in recent memory is likely that of Robert Jordan’s tetradecalogy The Wheel of Time, the last three novels of which were finished after Jordan’s death from a rare blood disease by graphomaniacal Mormon Magic: The Gathering enthusiast Brandon Sanderson, who makes between $10 and $55 million a year for his own best-selling, ponderous fantasy novels. Hand-selected by Jordan’s widow to complete The Wheel for Tor Publishing Group after, no kidding, auditioning via obituary, Sanderson’s three volumes exchange Jordan’s hard lore regarding the Aes Sedai, Darkfriends, and the prophesied Car’a’carn for stupefied descriptions of buildings (“stonework and wood”); sentences beginning with “women are like . . .”; and so much reliance on plot over prose that people are often “perked up,” described as “tanned,” and, according to one intrepid blog, sniff in disdain 75 times in 978,460 words (which may not sound like a lot, but The Lord of the Rings apparently tallies 28 sniffs total)….
>>25181401Those average novels would probably be a tier higher today considering modern drivel.
>>25181409>sniff in disdain 75 times in 978,460 wordsnynaeve pulls her braid
>>25181485I hate how right you are.
300 pages into Thousandfold Thought so far and it's ... underwhelming. Every single character has been flanderized, especially the Consult, and there's little of interest happening.
what books to read to a baby so that it does go full chud
>>25181452Finnegans Wake
Aesop's Fables
>>25181452White Fragility
>>25181452No more books from here on, just RETARDMAXXING to the grave
>>25181452Read it some ragebait from twitter because that's all chuds want to hear
how long should you read for per day?
>>25173005Just try to do 15 minutes minimum per day. Try reading before your other digital slop grabs your focus.
when I sit down to read, I can crank out an hour no problemmy difficulty is that I have a compulsive habbit of just going to check twitter or 4chan for 15 minutes, which easily turns into 3 hours of waste
>>25179815as opposed to now where they have to spend 5 hours a day doom scrolling
>>25179725i'm gonna do this,
>>2517293212 hours
Why are women so obsessed with Harry Potter?
>>25174411despite that women no longer marry in their late teens and early 20's, women will never stop obsessing over school twice as hard as when they made the most important decision of their life at that age. they still make the most important decision, only its not between chad and brad, its between mammon, satan, or hecate
>>25180032She's a Russian nanoceleb.@begi_krolik_begiWouldn't get your hopes up, she disappeared from everything a few years ago.
>>25179228Yeah we need to have it more often
>>25180144>Wouldn't get your hopes up, she disappeared from everything a few years ago.Unfortunate, she cuteLooked better with the harry potter glasses desu, they suit her face. >>25174478 >>25177336 >>25180838 look kinda mid
>>25177443I'd love to see a lexical analysis on the books to see what makes them a psychological weapon rather than a story about thr making and doubts.The books should be all the proof needed
Recommend some horror short story anthologies, preferably multi-author
best i can offer is a bump
put anyone, fiction, politics, philosophy, math ect.accepting putting two in same grid if they are similar and important enough to you as each other
>>25179037kek
>>25180134Nigga this is some entry level /lit/core. If you've been here 5+ years you should've read most of them already.For reference, I read:>Iliad (once), Odyssey (twice) I liked the Iliad more though>some of his greatest (Lear, Hamlet, Macbeth) and started my way through his early plays chronologically (up next is Julius Caesar)>Areopagitica, Paradise Lost, Paradise Regained>V., 49, GR>Moby-Dick, Pierre, Confidence-Man, Piazza Tales>Dubliners, Portrait, Ulysses, the first page of FW before dropping it>Nigger of the Narcissus, Heart of Darkness (yet to read any actual novel)>Crime & Punishment, Demons, TBK (didn't like Demons)>Buddenbrooks, Magic Mountain, Doctor Faustus
>>25180225huh. youre right. nevermind, my bad, sorry man
>>25180267If you weren't a newfag you'd know /lit/ likes the Iliad more.Shoehorning pynchon in there is just proof you've only heard of these other Classical greats. Unless you're literally 18 or something
>>25181141>If you weren't a newfag you'd know /lit/ likes the Iliad more.I only said it I like the Iliad more because I reread the Odyssey, but not the Iliad. I did so to prepare for Ulysses, not because I like it more.>is just proof you've only heard of these other Classical greats. Unless you're literally 18 or somethingAre you projecting something here?
I remember school and university, where trying to get good grades and paying attention in class made teachers and other students think I'm a nerd, when I would actually just study, say, math on my own, with a tutor, in class, read about it online and still barely pass exams and testsI easily learned english as a child, but when it came to learning a third foreign language in school I was very below average, one of the worst students in my group, it was humiliatingI've now tried to learn a few languages (French, German, Latin, Spanish, Russian, probably a few others I've forgotten too) and I've struggled with them a lot, even studying every day for 3 hours (I did manage to keep up that pace) would generally not net me anything. it doesn't help that there are so many charlatans in the language learning "hobby space" that you don't even know what "method" to use while learning a language. probably the worst thing is that language learning communities are full of intelligent people who have many languages under their belts and this is their special interest and you can't compare yourself to themI like reading books and don't really like video games or TV, so I spend a large chunk of my free time reading. I know a bit about history, philosophy, things like this which automatically make other people think you're intelligent, but it's a bit of an illusion and I've disappointed pretty much every teacher I've had in my life. in general I am a pretentious failure who is well read enough, knows about history, philosophy and thinks he's intelligent, so I can discuss things with other people, but honestly, with the philosophy that I've read it's more that I memorized the logic but don't actually understand anything at all. it would take one actually intelligent person who's read enough as me to show that I'm just a complete fraud and retardI'm too stupid and lazy to ever learn another language
>>25181406>actually, they are not smart, they are privileged by the system>actually, they are not smart, just immoral>actually, you're American and probably richSo far, I fail to see any substantial arguments from the self-proclaimed intellectual camp.
>if you're so smart why don't you wage harder for israel?lol
>>25181406Damn I didn't know Estonia was like that, I thought it was Finland-lite.
>>25181397I'm curious why you think this. People say things to this effect often but they never explain why exactly it is true. I have a suspicion that because they spend their lives expending so much to speak of things they convince themselves the speaking must contain all the value.In my opinion the defining feature of great art is being completely dominated by feelings that language fails to capture. Yes even if that art is created by language itself. A painting is not mere paint in the same way a book is not mere language. The feeling is not really in the language the same way it is not really in the paint. It is in you and the artist and the world. The language and paint just bridge the gap so to speak.So in my mind if you think so confidently that you can speak of it then that is in fact the proof that you don't understand it. Speaking is the product of a deficiency in understanding. To say there is a "spoken understanding" is a contradiction. All understandings are unspoken.And what I see in the words and being of great artists is the instinctual knowing of this. An acute awareness of the limitations of the social and material world. They don't strain themselves there because they know it is in vain. And I think many great artists, were they not such, would in fact be regarded as little more than idiosyncratic commoners at best. Speaking and conversational skills are trained. I don't feel that "understanding" can be trained. Sometimes I see in the eyes of an animal, with supposedly much less intelligence than me, an understanding that of course it could never be trained to speak of. Maybe you'll think I'm just imagining it but I choose to believe it is there. Or otherwise it is at least a reflection of some understanding in me that is again being bridged somehow.
>>25181488Based. The wise man knows nothing.
Which philosophers have totally 180d on their previous held views and repudiated themselves?
>>25172435>>25172451A true Objectivist accepts any money from any source if it is without entangling alliances. You might call it undignified or hypocritical, but it's consistent with her mercenary outlook to money. She would gladly have accepted three bucks from a stranger on the street who confused her for a homeless woman.
>>25170390trotsky is the only one i can think of, he basically u-turned from war communism to arguing for a democratisation of the NEP
>>25179616Are you implying liberal democracy never existed?
>>25181449Older Trotsky who was far less idealist and who supported Fascist strongmen against Liberal Imperialism- that is the ultimate Trotsky form. > In Brazil there now reigns a semifascist regime that every revolutionary can only view with hatred. Let us assume, however, that on the morrow England enters into a military conflict with Brazil. I ask you on whose side of the conflict will the working class be? I will answer for myself personally—in this case I will be on the side of “fascist” Brazil against “democratic” Great Britain. Why? Because in the conflict between them it will not be a question of democracy or fascism. If England should be victorious, she will put another fascist in Rio de Janeiro and will place double chains on Brazil. If Brazil on the contrary should be victorious, it will give a mighty impulse to national and democratic consciousness of the country and will lead to the overthrow of the Vargas dictatorship. The defeat of England will at the same time deliver a blow to British imperialism and will give an impulse to the revolutionary movement of the British proletariat. Truly, one must have an empty head to reduce world antagonisms and military conflicts to the struggle between fascism and democracy. Under all masks one must know how to distinguish exploiters, slave-owners, and robbers!>-Leon Trotsky, Interview with Mateo Fossa, 1938‘Permanent revolution’ is a fool’s fantasy especially in 21st century whereas men like Putin, Lukashenko and Orban every day keep capital at least within their own nations and foreign troops out, along with Trump who in general is ally to them and wants peace with such leaders. You would have to be total idiot to today support social Democrat reforms, Democrat party politicians and the like who do so much harm to the world
>>25181459>implying
>greatest writer at the time of his death>had a vast library containing tens of thousands of books on every subject under the sun>reached advanced proficiency in math and physics for fun (a member of SFI said he matched most professors in those subjects)>had a large circle of friends from every discipline; his best friend was the inventor of the quark>didn't own a computer, use a smartphone, or have any internet presence whatsoever, not even an email addressCan we just admit that computers are the bane of creativity?
>>25180807Oh I see. The lovefest that enwraps Cormac has nothing to do with the ineffable delights of his prose, such as there are, but rather the emblems of his intelligence. Once again posters judge a writer's worth by extraliterary status signifiers.
>>25181389As is the case with every board centred around an artistic medium, they like someone or something only if it/he/she meets their criteria in being “based”, to say nothing of their artistic quality.
>>25181359You don't seriously believe /lit/ popularized Blood Meridian, do you?
>>25181219I would like you to know that i read you entire post.I can't say I particularly enjoyed it, but your elaborate fantasy about mailing a letter is now in my head.
>>25181219>generating this much seethe from a zoomerBoomers are occasionally based.
I keep hearing how Shakespeare stole from other works before himHow true is this?Which works specifically did he steal from?
>>25179157
stole? you love rules dont you anon
>>25180498What word would you use instead?
He was was a thief, and that's why he was great. Most people can only copy.
>>25180866Not that anon, but no one who's actually involved in literary analysis or publishing uses the word theft. That's an amateur word born out of inexperience. The closest you get among publishers is that they'll accuse you of plagiarism if you copied, or they might call it derivative if it follows the work of someone else closely without adding anything important. But if you take one story, and you put it in a new context, or you change some part of it so the outcome is different, then it isn't considered theft. For example, if I were to take Star Trek, but I put the story in the renaissance with a regular ol' wooden ship, and the crew is sailing along coasts of unknown countries to establish trade connections with them, then it isn't theft. It would be called literary transposition and would be considered legitimate, provided it brought new consequences to the story. If it's just transposition of show after show with no change to the story, then it's derivative. When Tolkien takes the dwarven names from the Edda and places all of them in his work verbatim, it's still not theft. All art is built on previous art (except perhaps the cave hand paintings of a fucking cow or whatever). Talking about theft because one writer used concepts from another writer will get you laughed out of whatever literary circle you're in.
the walls of tyrosh editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>25132678
>>25180635Hopefully the book is taking so long (it was almost finished in 2019) because he's rewriting all that dumb shit.
So how do you think Brandon Sanderson will finish the story?
/grrm/ peaked in 2024
>>25180790Bran ascends to godhood and becomes God-Emperor of Westeros (so basically nothing changes from the show ending), but in the epilogue we'll see a character named Maester Hoid, with one of the most extensive maester chains you'll ever see in the story, leaving Westeros with a bag full of weirwood seeds and a dragon egg.
>>25163456After Arya kills the night king (DnD did not make that up), she's going to become the new night king(queen) and she's gonna marry Jon who becomes the leader of the wildlings beyond the wall. Becoming a positive mirror of the Night's king and his white walker wife.
Post books about dinosaurs, fiction and non-fiction. This is a thread for the discussion of our dinosaurian ancestors.
>>25178138The prose is fine and Jurassic Park is an excellent book
The Rise and Fall of the Dinosaurs
>>25177998Journey to the Centre of the Earth
>>25177998just got this a few weeks ago
Raptor Red
