>Winning as Zakharov
you didn't beat the game

>>97225640
The question was who was right. not which faction canonically won.
The game is written with a specific end state in the story (multiple really, but a limited selection). But when you start a game, anyone can win, and you may not end up with the canon ending. Saying only the hippy ending is available because that's the one with the most attention in the story is reductive. Like saying the Roman empire was shit because it fell.
Spartan victory is her conquering the other factions after it's clear that isolationism isn't going to work against the madness that Gaia starts. Just like Morgan's victory is economic domination, entirely disregarding the ultimate fate of Planet. They might not be the "best" ending for an omniscient outside observer, but they are victories. Planet might be abandoned if the non-ascension factions win, or maybe it can be killed if no one is helping it.
Besides whether ascension is victory or just mass suicide with extra steps is a matter of perspective, like >>97225671 said.

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>>97222031
They don't, that's the thing

>>97222049
Stay mad, never-game.
That book famously put all the lore into a coherent whole, turning the previously ambigious setting into a horror completely by accident.

>>97225941
>Miriam was right, Lal was a psycho
2016 election toursits called, they want their shitty meme back

>>97221448
>Globohomo third worlder
>Fat, Bible-thumping protestant heresiarch
>Filthy communist
>Retarded xenophile hippie bitch, arch-traitor of Mankind and Mary Sue extraordinary
>Greedy, exploitative niggerkike
>Wannabe Caudillo girl boss inspired by the most idiotic and inferior warrior culture in existence
>7 of 9 with the serial numbers filed off
>Le hacker with mad haxxor skillz, but it's a black woman
>Another filthy commie scumbag, as if there weren't enough already in this shitty propaganda piece
>Genocidal cultist nutjob
>Run-of-the-mill insufferable university professor in dire need of a bunch of ignorant rednecks stuffing him inside a locker and using him as a human juke box
>Pirate larper, 'nuff said
>Not pictured here: two commie aliens
There is no game who has a cast more despicable and unappealing as this, except maybe Civilization Beyond Earth, which, appropiately enough, is this game's spiritual successor. If it was for me, I'd subject the entire planet to Exterminatus, humanity going extinct would be a better outcome than being controlled by any one of these bozos and their vomit-inducing ideologies, which may be also backed by giant mind-raping alien worms. I had to wait Age of Wonders: Planetfall to have a sci-fi Civ-like game with factions that were (barely) tolerable.

>>97227263
There's also gamma world

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>>97227263
They should look reasonably capable of supporting human physiology, unless there is a lore purpose to having a dick grow out their head

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>>97227263
>>97227403
As long as they have multiple tits!

>>97227554
Filled with what?

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>>97227848
Ah, a man of taste I see!

>>97227042
So it's not that hard to balance the encounter and enemy for a fully equipped and decked out group?

>>97227140
You'll basically be balancing the same way you would for a group that's been playing for a while. The power curve on things is actually really more like a step ladder in game; almost all your PCs if they're a corporate troubleshooting team will be hardened, so you'll just balance encounters based on that and what gear you've given them.

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>>97227021
The gutterpunk feel in the core rulebook is leftover from Mike's notes adapted from Cybergeneration and v3. Past the core rulebook it's not really consistent (the core rulebook suggests a job where the crew earns 2,000eb each be equal to taking on fort knox, but in the first job book Tales of the Red half of the jobs pay this for something tailored for starting players).

This game has lots of opportunities for exciting mid-to-high level cyberespionage play. In fights where corpos are paying for gear used the players can take advantage of exotic tools like EMP grenades, biotoxins, custom gear from the R&D department, and have to deal with those same threats from their rivals. Speaking of support like from R&D corpo players could get detailed intelligence, heavy artillery, killteam cover, vehicle support or tactical deployments.

Make the crew love the corpo slave lifestyle and never want to give it up, even if it means doing immoral things. If the crew doesn't know how bad things could be, have an old contact call in a favor. No corporate support, they're getting barely standard gear and by the end of it they'll have taken a lot of crits. They'll never want to run without their corporate toys again. Or maybe use >>97227042's ideas. All of the corporate toys stay with the corporation, so the players only have light gear when going home. A couple of bad scraps on the commute and maybe they'll want to live in a corporate dorm and never leave their masters!

You can also enforce obedience by each player having a neural implant, chip slot, and modified KillChip to blow their head off, or a modified Pain Inhibiter implant that actually inflicts pain like in Robocop.

Also definitely look up hardened encounters >>97227181 and the updated guide for making them in Danger Gal Dossier >>97200502

>>97227181
>>97227656
That's awesome. Thank you for the advices, I'll keep them in mind.
Really looking forward to running this now.

>>97225611
I feel like Mike wouldn't stand for something like anti-grav in the game.

>>97227525
I mentioned using buzzsaw mantis shrimps before, but piranha swarms are great too. personally id never include fish"""people""" in my games, disgusting to even ponder them

>>97226957
Based!

>>97226762
Personally I don't like the explorer, I think it's too tied down to one region sadly.
I'm not sure how to fix it, maybe either a specific terrain bonus or 'Any hex you've secured a reasonable route through counts as known territory for you, doesn't have to be fully explored, you just have to have your bearings'

>>97227565
Those are pretty cool ideas anon. Shrimps suddenly sawing through the bottom of the boat is a fun way to start an encounter on open water.
>personally id never include fish"""people""" in my games, disgusting to even ponder them
I think stuff like Kuo-Toa and Sahuagin make for fun enemies, not sure why you're against them specifically. Your game though. I might have some Sahuagin show up in a game riding some kind of sharks. Or maybe were-sharks who arrive as mounts for the warriors, only to morph into their regular forms and assume leadership positions.

>>97226728
Trolling, this thread should be called ACKSg. Jannies, please delete.

>>97226610
>Why wouldn't they? NuSR is inspired by OSR, but the games have almost nothing in common mechanically with it, or even with each other in many cases. Go post about Cyberpunk 2020 in the Magic the Gathering thread and see what kind of reception you get
This. This is like getting mad that you can't post about Mekton Z, Vampire or Runequest in an OD&D thread because those games were ultimately inspired by OD&D. Eventually a style detaches from its original inspirations, and the NuSR is the big RPG movement of this decade just as the OSR was of the 2010s or Forge-style indies in the 2000s.

>>97226618
Mork Bork literally has nothing in common mechanically with other OSR systems unless you count things like "uses dice". It's not a clone of any degree of distance, it's a system created entirely from scratch and for fundamentally different purposes. It's weird that you don't know this if you actually care about Hork Stork.

>>97227761
>literally just the standard D&D six stats compressed into four
>roll a d20, add a modifier, try to beat a target number, broadly compatible with ascending AC in OSR clones like Black Hack or Swords & Wizardry
>variable armor reduction, same as Into the Odd and The Black Hack
>2d6 morale checks, same as Moldvay Basic
>uses short rests/long rests to restore hit point
Mork Borg is a B/X clone, unless you're mathematically illiterate, and can't grasp how DR mirrors THAC0

>>97227821
>literally just the standard D&D six stats compressed into four
If you're willing to allow "has ability scores" as proof of clone status that makes virtually every RPG ever a clone. Bork is closer to GURPS than to D&D.

>roll a d20, add a modifier, try to beat a target number
Same principle here: d20 vs. target is probably the most common resolution method in the TTRPG space, especially if you count d100 rolls which after all are the same thing multiplied by 5 and thus "broadly compatible". The fact that ascending AC is one instance of this type of roll means nothing, especially since the actual old-school games don't even use it.

>2d6 morale checks, same as Moldvay Basic
This is the only one where you really have a point but it's nowhere near enough on its own, particularly considering the prevalence of Xd6 rolls in Bork.

>uses short rests/long rests to restore hit point
Ah yes, just like my OD&D!

>>97227821
>Into the Odd and The Black Hack
Those are both NuSR games

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So how does Ilmater feel about:
>killing somebody that is about to cause suffering
>causing pointless suffering to yourself your character considers character building, like self flagellation

>>97225949
There wasn’t that much to Saltmarsh that made it unique. Just a generic coastal town with some new and old friction and smugglers. That’s why it can fit anywhere.

The generic D&D setting was popularised by Dragonlance novels rather than Tolkien. Eg wizards casting limited spells rather than being angels or something. Most D&D settings fit that general mould to fit in the usual races and tropes. My personal favorite kitchen sink setting is Mystara. I like the different nations and hollow world. Adventurers can even become Immortals if they get powerful enough. I doubt WoTC will wipe their ass with it anytime soon because it depicts real world nations and ancient cultures. Something that is apparently inherently racist or some shit.

It is kind of cool to think there is a Saltmarsh in every world. Kind of like a site of special power or something. Maybe in Dark Sun it would be literal and have a Saltflat wasteland rather than all that water.

>>97226390
The first:
>The one who causes suffering is burdened in ways that are unknown to all but themselves. By stopping them, you take on the burden of killing someone so troubled
The second:
>Self-flagellation speaks of something darker you struggle with. So long as you grow from it, or it serves purpose, it has merit.

>>97215991
God no
Divine handler was awful in 2014 and removing it was objectively a good thing because now you actually have room for less goody goody aasimar
The reason they're less popular is because visually they're perfect humans
Tiefling are varied, they're hot, they're flawed, they have narrative hooks in their lower plane connection, they have media hooks in the form of characters like Karlach, Woljif, Kalikke, and Kanerah (and indirectly characters like rimworld impids and that girl from dispatch who are visually similar)
When was the last time we really got a compelling angel character in popular media? Castiel?

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>>97222633
It's a holdover from when wizards were actually physically weak (2e)
3e onwards has been slowly removing the physical limitations of the class

>>97226084
>that torturing schoolgirl game
Final Girl?

>>97226991
Oh my sweet summer child

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>>97226991
https://haven-games.jimdofree.com/ボードゲーム

>>97226136
That's Shadow Raiders not Shadow Hunters.

>>97226401
better late than never anon
it's unplayable without the changes to me now
do they let you cross-mix Beach Cup and the Original on BGA?

>>97227592
I play turbo-edgelords exclusively.

>>97227746
So, self-righteous heroes

>>97227748
That's almost all heroes

>>97227592
Do you prefer playing games or shitposting?
I know, tough one

>>97227672
73 here. This is 74th

>>97227793
kill yourself faggot

>>97216984
This is why you always make the mobs you want your players to kill abhorrent. When describing encounters make sure to drop lines about how smelly and ugly they are, have chewed on human bones laying around their layers, make their behavior petty and brutish, ect.

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It's fascinating that this would otherwise be an opinion that /tg/ fully supports if it were articulated in less of a retarded way, but they couldn't even get the basic "ontologically evil" monster premise right. /tg/ supports the idea of monsters being evil and deserving to be killed on sight because it is internally consistent that beings created by an evil God or summoned with dark magic or inflicted upon the world from a cosmically aligned plane of evil should be killed without a shred of moral ambiguity or ethical debate.

But they didn't fucking create a setting where evil beings that require murdering are threatening a quaint little countryside town. They didn't even try to justify it. They don't seem to understand why anyone would even need to be told why monsters deserve killing. They chose to just handwave the entire fucking issue, instead. What the fuck does it even mean for your story to be both cinematic AND cartoony at the same time? Why are they pretending like establishing the nature of intelligence and if monsters have souls is somehow out of place even in the depths of mediocrity that is 5e? Morality is baked into the fucking game. These fuckers have put forth less mental effort than the infamously low bar that D&D presents as the basis for it's premise. That would be impressive if it weren't so infuriatingly stupid.

>>97216984
>From the creators of Obojima, a third-party 5e setting directly based on Miyazaki and Ghibli films, on the official channel for Obojima:
>Are they right?

They're explicitly wrong in such a weird, ignorant, and conflicting way, that they make a great example of media illiteracy. Which I've been told is a problem, but I'm only recently starting to personally notice more and more as I realize maybe as much as 80% of all conflict surrounding dialogue about media/literature online is people literally do not understand the material they're talking about.

If I had to contribute anything intelligent to the thread, in respect to the other Anons who've already made lots of smart comments: Miyazaki actually commented on this exact thing when he was getting into his dislike over Lord of the Rings. Specifically, he subscribed to the notion that "ontologically evil societies" (not singular supernatural entities mind you, but entire races, societies, people etc. He didn't lay this criticism on Sauron, but on the Orcs, that's an important distinction.) was a form of projection, a kind of coping/seething mechanism that let an author torture their bogeymans as opposed to anything constructive or emotionally healthy.

Miyazaki is just mad it doesn't have a paper thin facade over it. He'll have the worlds most detailed tank crushing it's way through a fairy village with incredible animation and he'll look at you and go "wow, isn't this terrible?" while he poorly conceals his erection.

A brave twelve year old tomboy that really likes old men will face the camera and tell you that the true message is about brotherhood and maintaining a connection to society and you can still kind of hear him screaming at his employees in the background.

>>97221764
Bitch I've played SWTOR. Alderaan had it coming.

>>97226577
No right answer except priests. Friars and their superiors shouldn't be used for a player class unless it's an alternative to a Cleric. Something like a cleric/fighter multiclass attempt that isn't a Paladin, who is more a member of the church and not an official. I think maybe a Celestial Warlock if you're playing DnD or something? If you're talking an NPC, then yeah more fire power like a bishop would be fine but if they're heading a church they don't have the free time to come over.
tldr:
>friars and friends for classes that are not clerics (say a rogue)
>priests for clerics

>>97226577
Pope because he has the highest level and the undead I'm fighting are high level undead.

>>97227183
what?
im ninety percent sure that rambling spiel makes you a robot but whatever
the fighter/cleric multiclass is just that, a fighter/cleric multiclass. war cleric is freely available at level 1 if you need extra attacks, but light and tempest are both strong combat options, with knowledge being very strong for utility and nature being powerful in general with good spells. basically just anything except light because the 5e cleric is virtually impossible to fuck up.

if you play a celestial warlock you take a very different path. warlock has powerful and reliable spells, but only a very limited number of casts. this locks you into saving them for DOT effects, summons or powerful control options. you do pick up both greater and lesser restoration which is nice, but the bulk of your healing is from the class feature that gives you D6es per level, so you need to invest to keep your magic and healing competitive. you CAN multiclass fighter with celestial warlock too, and its good, you just have to 100% commit to mage armour, blade pact, thirsting blade and the other mandatory martial invocations

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>>97226577
Whichever the player playing a cleric made
So which thread were you sliding out of the catalog?

>>97226586
Anon that's not what Turn Undead does

>>97227332
none as far as I can see if you mean DS terminator vanguard. The terms that come with DS are almost all either melee-only (trash shooting for 350-500 point squad) or do the same thing that a non-terminator DS squad could do for 250+ points less.

A basic justaerin squad can't DS without +250 points for abaddon, to get 6 banestrike combis for 525 points (fucking horribly trash) at minimum cost. The heavy guns are even worse, a single multimelta deals 0.7 average wounds to AV14 and the squad can't split fire, so you'd be wasting 400 points of banestrikes to use it.

It's actually cheaper to have a kharibdys aircraft with 22 transport than to take Abaddon (235 instead of 250). It can deliver an actual shooty unit like 10 thousand sons siege terminators inside it with 10 reaper autocannons for thousand sons with Rending5+ (675 points or 685 for TS rend) and they can both shoot and charge the turn they jump out of the aircraft unlike deepstriker tards.

Comparable abaddon squad has 9 banestrikes instead of 10 reapers, scores just 4 breaches instead of 8 for the autocannons, and that's 4 dmg1 instead of 8 dmg2. 18" so no follow up sniping of other valuable squads unlike 36" reach on reapers.

Justaerin shooting is complete trash unless they are charging and volley firing so the 50 point models get 8 shots per turn (which never happens when deepstriking as you can't charge until turn 3-4 and only when they leave the wrong unit within 12" by turn 3 instead of just walking away or killing the justaerin. Correct way to use justaerin is to charge from airplane t2 or transport t1, not deepstrike.

ASHES OF THE IMPERIUM LEAK WHEN

>>97227644
Do yourself a favour and skip it. Live in the past as normal people do.

>>97227353
>Their power armor looks like it caught leprosy.
Sell the legs to a DG player

>>97227354
>tfw you know exactly where that image is cropped from
Is this what it felt like when the guy recognised that bulge?

>>97227511
Expanding on this, this would really support the whole "young solars drop into the world as the scrappy underdogs who can change things.". Like, obviously this is just a spitball number and there are a bunch of other effects to really consider, but I think doing things like this would better illustrate power level differences in an immediate way and tell players that they can do things right now.

>>97227390
I'm not even sure what exactly you're arguing desu. I've been trying to get an in game explanation of when you wouldn't allow someone to roll in 3e when they'd be allowed to roll in 2e but you won't really help me there. Here's more of what the book says though.

>characters with inaccurate knowledge or different backgrounds experience much greater difficulties, if they are allowed to roll at all.

Along with this bit.

>You don’t have to treat the setting like a piñata, and Lore like a bat that will split its colorful shell and spill all the delicious secrets within, but you should always treat a character’s Lore rating as a chance to make the character look good, and as a chance to make the player feel good.

If you flat out couldn't roll lore without a background or specialty then I don't think these lines would be here. They seem extremely clear desu. I'm sure there is more suggesting that yes, you can use your lore rating for lore rolls. Although at this point I don't think you'll accept anything other then what the devs have to say on the subject.

+>>97227707
>I'm not even sure what exactly you're arguing desu.
I said it in my second post to you anon when it was apparent I wasn't clear, >>97226525, and I've said it a few other times. You keep bringing in other things like charms that don't really even touch on what I said
That's it, that's the entirety of my point, "Lore in 3e requires you to focus on a subject the Lore is in, and allows or forbids rolls based on that, 1e and 2e just had Lore be Lore, and it applied regardless of subject" that's it, that's the whole thing I've been repeating this whole time anon

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>In most cases, if the character is challenging a difficulty that falls under her expertise, it is her expertise that makes the roll possible in the first place
Emphasis on the last bit of it
Speaking of quotes from the book, you left out the first half of the first bit you quoted
>Note again that it is the character’s Lore background and specialty that makes such rolls possible; characters with inaccurate knowledge or different backgrounds experience much greater difficulties, if they are allowed to roll at all.
It flat out states the background and specialties are what allows the rolls anon
I'm about to go to sleep, and I'd tell you to maybe make sure not to quote a line that outright contradicts your point in the same sentence next time, but given you intentionally left out the first half, I'm pretty sure you were just hoping I wouldn't check or something

>>97227358
Essence does this, solars just get that shit for free

>>97227804
Never got into it but it's good to hear that the idea is out there at least.

>>97225289
AoS also has significantly smaller armies. On average your chaff unit is 100pts - maybe a bit below that if you play Cities of Sigmar.

Heroes in AoS are what tanks cost in 40k.

A fun fact is every 40k Battleforce this year was under 1k - some by 500 or more. Every AoS box was at least 900-1100pts

>>97227421
it's funny because i'm pretty sure it was only like 25 bucks at launch, gw has raised prices pretty fast in 2 years after seeing the 'opportunity'.

>>97221959
Given most of GW's actually decent games are skirmish ones, yes obviously they are cheaper. You're looking at 1-2 boxes of minis for a complete force, so around $60 on the low end to about $150 at most.

Its not just the prices, its the points values.
Go and compare a 2k army from 15 years ago to one now. You need way more minis.

Its why I always advocate for games with smaller point values. Playing 1500 or even 1250 means far less money spent. Or hell, go play a skirmish game. That way you only need like 10 models. You'll probably have more fun because 10th ed is fucking dogshit for fags.

>>97225367
I think >>97225296 is right though, when they were in blister packs they were a little more but it skyrocketed when they switched to individual boxes for some reason.

Annoyingly I do know a bunch of tourney-wannabe types who do still shovel money to GW. Grey tide on L-shaped ruins and all, totally put me off.

>>97226437
stereotypically, men think in objects while women think in relations. Men think about how to solve a problem, women think about how to feel about a problem. It's why men tells stories directly while women meander. It also relates to communication, where men want to talk solutions or not talk at all, and women want to share feelings about the situation. Men want to know why the car is making that sound, women want to share feelings about the broken car.
Ideally, though, you've gotta remember that women are as varied as men are. The women in my family are relatively masculine in that they're driven, headstrong, and they love sports.

>>97227267
Sounds like all women are mentally deficient.

>>97226627
But dude-with-tits is a legitimate type of woman, I work a factory job and see them all the time. Generally speaking even pretty butch girls will like cute things, animals and kids though

>>97227364
Many have been saying this.

>>97226205
No. Are you going to pretend you don't mean anything more significant than the vacuous "everything someone creates comes from their own mind" when the original claim was that all characters were necessarily self-inserts?

Thank you, once more, for maintaining this communication line, Net0. I do hope your expedition proved fruitful.
I have been cleaning up the cabin after dealing with my beast, and the locked room that confounded me has been breached revealing a corpse in a script circle. The corpse is exhibiting signs of early decay but the script is proving to be a most interesting puzzle. I believe it might be an older form of cyrillic.
[spoilers]Thanks again and I'll do my best to remember near the end.[/spoiler]

>>97227153
I missed the chance to ask previously, but in spite of your little entity intruder, have you gotten the chance to test what you have learned?

>>97227153
>>97226645
Yeah, the last few days have been quite something. I've been fighting an infection I got on the last hunt.

So we find this ship crewless, floating. Cyrillic name, oбильный, apparently it translates to "bountiful". Normal russian fishing boat, not out of the ordinary in these waters. I strap on the go pro and get my gun, we split into three teams. One goes below, one stays on the deck of the fishing boat, and one stays on our deck so nobody can sabotage or take it. The place looked bad, some blood stains on the deck, signs of a struggle. Down below was cleaner, but still real eerie. Everyone's gone, and whatever did it was smart enough to turn off their transponder, demolish the radio, and turn out the lights. I'm recording everything I can and trying to determine if the ship itself was a front, pretty sure it wasn't, when we hear a gunshot from up on the deck. Below team rushes up to see a half-dozen humanoids, dripping wet, straight out of the freezing Bering Sea rushing our boys. Good news is, bullets seem to work just fine on them. I nail one in the chest and it goes overboard, doesn't come back up. Then another hunter, guy I didn't know very well screams like hell. There's a squid wrapped around his neck biting deep with its beak. Someone rips it off and it starts running on its tentacles across the deck. I shoot it and it explodes, then one of the humanoids bowls into me. I got a good look at it. He used to be human, but his face is all fucked up. Webbed fingers too, and a weird scaley rash. Reviewing the gopro footage, he had a cyrillic tattoo, probably one of the fishermen. One of my cellmates takes a boathook to its eye and drags it off of me. The survivors all bail but the guy who got bit in the neck bleeds out, we couldn't stop the flow that thing chewed straight through his carotid.

>>97227453
Then the boat rocks. We're all retreating back to our boat to bid a retreat and I shit you not I have footage of a massive tentacle arising out of the sea. I'm talking kraken size. We get the hell out of there, shooting the tentacles as we start speeding back towards land. During the escape I slipped and cut my hand like a motherfucker on something metal, real embarrassing way to take a hunting injury. Infection has me holed up, but I should be fine long term, and we want to keep our heads down after that anyway. Still, can't sleep well. Trying to figure out how to kill the kraken and its pelagic zombie servants. My cred in Net0 is going to shoot up from all this good footage but I feel pretty hollow about that. Getting the information out there is important, but I'm concerned more with the practical threat this thing poses.

That's what's been up with good ol' GNP. hope you all are having a better time of it out there.

honestly I find TQs a little immersion undermining for an RP thread like this.

>>97226968
>an RP thread for playing a World of Darkness/Chronicles of Darkness Hunter.
>>>/qst/ is that way
And this sort of threads weren't allowed even before /qst/ became a thing anyway