Stories, art, don’t care. Post it or don’tWhite human male and orc female pairings are the key to fixing the realm
>>97278297It is somewhat (maybe to a lesser degree) the same with CoC2, futa aside, Arona is cute and I keep returning to her. Classic muscular tough bitch who blushes the moment you treat her as a woman.
>>97283345An orc woman not wearing furs? Unacceptable
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Requesting Eldritch Escape Tokyo. Pointers also appreciated.TIA
Looking for Star Trek Adventures 2e Core Rulebook, the Technical Manual and the Exploration Guide. If anyone could share that would be awesomeCheers
Someone asked some threads ago for the year-long sheets for Power Creep and Dangerous Space 2025. Here they are completed: GF /d/e67BiYAs a bonus you'll also get everything so far for Battle Pages.Happy new year!
Which trove has 4AD stuff?Looking for a starter pack, want to give the game a try. There are so many expansions and supplements out there, it’s a little overwhelming. I also hear there are a bunch of lewd supplement by Erick Bouchard, which all seem to have been scrubbed from the web? And Erick transitioned? Maybe that had something to do with it?There’s also Affairs of the Heart which sounds… titillating.Anyways, looking for stuff. Halp
Requesting Flying Ostriches & Floating Castles
Impromptu Flying Lesson edition>Previous Thread: >>97266080>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/qdYzem>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97285038We are Warhammer players retard, common zeitgeist has us very, very close to Sonic players.
>>97285071>>97285084Sorry to say but Warhammer and Sonic aren’t viewed in the same light. If that’s been your experience and how you’ve been treated then I’m sorry to say that it’s you guys who are weird and probably socially inept.
>>97285098They are by normalfags, and anyone who isn't into /tg/ing would classify both as weird meme-spouting autists obsessed with furries who like mediocre video games.
>>97285038I just like the games and wanted something to put on my shelf
I don't think anyone here can criticize for collecting something.Unless it's funko pop
After about 8 years since I last DM'ed a game, I've been asked to run a session. Unfortunately my books - adnd, 2e, 3e, 3.5, 4e, and 5e are in storage two states away.And i prefer physical copies. Thanks to critical role and the movie DND books have gone up in price which is weird.>4e books are ~10-15$ now. Is it viable to run 4e in 2025? I don't remember hating it and I still remember some home rules to streamline combat to speed it up a touch. Does anyone have suggestions for 1-3lvl adventures or campaign settings? >4e thread I guess
>>97284665To wit, if you do not mix the different books, the Essentials line is excellent at a low bookkeeping, straightforward game.I'd run it for my kids.
>>97284787I've been mixing the books a bit. My wife wanted to play from the Fae book and my brother wanted to play from the elemental book. So far so smooth.
>>97284665Honestly, I do too. A lot of 4e fans hate it because it stepped away from the AEDU framework and people who liked 4e liked that framework, but I don't actually care about that: an attack is an attack, and "hit harder" is a perfectly valid improvement rather than getting a "hit REALLY hard 1/encounter and move enemy one step / give enemy -1 slaves for 1 round/etc."A lot of 4e's problem is having too much faff in combat, and Essentials classes reduced the faff
>>97284813If your players don't go hard in the paint, it can work, especially if you modulate battles towards their strengths.>>97284845I gently disagree, as I believe the wealth of options at all times was a boon for players who wanted to have meaningful impact outside 'I hit the dude'.I've brought in almost a dozen new players to the hobby with 4e, and I have found that it is fairly easy to understand, has depth, and forges good habits of mindfulness and paying attention to the battle when the spotlight isn't directly on you.One of my cherished memories was running a game for some teens at my LGS, and the fighter being the star because she just ran around protecting everyone, forcing a chokepoint and battering the attacking spider demons.The look on her face when the party was cheering her on, watching the group fall in together like a well oiled engine, supporting each other, that is what this hobby really is about for me.That was more than 10 years ago. I wonder what they are doing now?
>>97236120Of course 4e is going through a rennaissance. Compared to the monster that is 5e, 4e is very GM friendly to the point where a guy who hates making preps can actually run a decent campaign.
Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to first-decade, Gygaxian D&D, its faithful modern clones, and content created for use with them. Later editions (2e and newer) should be discussed elsewhere. And as we enter this happiest and newest of years, remember: 2e was never an old-school game, bait is for reporting, and fish is for smoking! Happy new year, grogs! Broadly, OSR games encourage a tonal and mechanical fidelity to Dungeons & Dragons played as intended by its creators from 1974 to 1983 — less emphasis on linear adventures and overarching metaplots and a greater emphasis on player agency. If you are new to the OSR, welcome! Ask us whatever you're curious about: we'll be happy to help you get started. We also have two excellent beginner guides created by Anons with feedback from the thread that you can check for help: >n00b DM's Guidehttps://pastebin.com/EVvt6P0B>n00b Player's Handbookhttps://pastebin.com/XALkXkV0 >Troves, Resources, Blogs, etc:http://pastebin.com/9fzM6128 >Need a starter dungeon? Here's a curated collection:Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
I ended up picking up mutant future and really like how it looks so far. How is labyrinth lord?
>>97284550>How is labyrinth lord?Great.
>>97283686>what is the most streamlined way to prepare a hexmap for my group of Pathfinder players to get a few sessions of play out ofAnon gave you a great answer, but as an alternative suggestion, consider not prepping your own map at all and using one of the Wilderlands of High Fantasy maps. They're a little bit harder to read than the colorful Basic-style maps, but the playability is unmatched, and if you want to expand the area of play there are lots more maps ready to hand. You can just plonk your dungeon down in any hex that seems reasonable. Alternatively there are also various remakes of the original Outdoor Survival map that was recommended for use in the original D&D box set from 1974; pic related is one. I hope you enjoy it, Anon!>>97284203Yeah, I'm pretty sure he made them as supplementary material for an ASE game he was running. It looks like all his stuff for it is on the All Dead Generations blog now, together with some of his embarrassing political rambling.>>97284550>How is labyrinth lord?It's B/X, so it's good. Personally I like the way he implemented addon AD&D material (in the Advanced Edition Companion) better than the way Norman did it for OSE, but that's a matter of taste.
>>97283686>>97283851Welcome, friend. You seem to have a good measure of "the spirit of the game" and I'm sure you'll have a great campaign going forward. Others gave you fantastic advice. GFC is an absolute treasure as is Melan (the Beyond Fomalhaut fellow linked above). I'd also recommend Prince of Nothing's Age of Dusk blog, though he primarily does module reviews. His musings are good stuff, though, and his No Artpunk module contest collections are rock solid. I would also urge you to poke around old articles from magazines like Fight On! and Dragon. Lots of stuff to shamelessly steal for your games in there.As someone who converted his group from PF and 5E to AD&D, I feel it's crucial to set the hook early. I don't mean in a storygame way, mind you, but give them something they want to get done. A solid dungeon that they can't reasonably finish in a handful of sessions, but with the promise of more treasure if they push on. Something like that. Obviously you have a better measure of your players than we do, but if you are enjoying the OSR style then you'll have to convince your group, through gameplay, that it should be your primary game after the first few sessions. You could run one of the established classics like Keep on the Borderlands or what have you. Or you could mess around with Appendix A from the DMG and roll your own dungeon. If you go that route, I recommend being a bit malleable with some of the interpretations of the results. It's a great way to start getting a dungeon hammered out, but don't be beholden to what it creates. Use the results for inspiration and guidance, but get creative with it! GFC has a great video regarding traps that shows a great method for making your own.
>>97285258(Cont.)As far as making a setting goes, I recommend not fleshing out everything before you start. Give yourself an aesthetic you're aiming for (mine is "somewhere between Tolkien and Conan by way of Frazetta"), decide what sort of biome you want to start the players in (frozen north, deep woods, coastal region etc.) and hammer out the rough shape. At least one major city if appropriate, maybe some hamlets and villages, key landmarks. Then establish some basic stuff regarding political things like rulership and antagonizing forces. I feel that things move much more smoothly if you just let things develop organically though you may prefer a more rigid method. Beyond that, just go for it! Sit down and start putting stuff to paper. I'm sure you'll have something great shaping up before you know it.Also, I second Wilderlands of High Fantasy. The booklet can be a bit difficult to parse but it's fantastic for stocking hexmaps.>>97284550I really like LL. I would like to pick up a copy but don't really have the need at the moment as I don't play B/X. I may pick up 2E when the physical book releases.
why are many creators so afraid of making a setting with napoleonic wars era technology?
>>97285005Despite the Napoleonic fanboys' delusional talk, it's not a popular period among normies and hobbyists-lite. The warfare of that era becomes too complex for your average DnD-tier nerd to understand, the period is not hitting you with the "individual heroes and deeds" vibes like the medieval period for example. The easy answer therefore is, it wouldn't sell because your average fantasy consumer is a fantasy consumer and you don't need a genius to create a story of sword-swinging murder-hobos adventuring.
>>97285050what about tabletop games?
>>97285288The Napoleonic wars have been one of the main staples of wargaming since back when there were still living Napoleonic war veterans around.
Helstorm Fireworks Edition(Happy New Year, men of the Empire)>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zipComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97283920I use two bray-shamans that way instead of a wargor. Hunters spear, not sure on. There are better items for shamans is all. Adding Scourge of burdened on the wargor would also be great cause then you get asshole powers for your shaman. Cast it on him, move him into a forest, cast your magic missile, move back out of forest to prevent line of sight. Best defense for mages is just being invisible.It's also why goretooth is worth it if you're not playing wild herd. Lore of primal is really good.
>>97284391There is a quiet comedy that tomb kings would never get refreshed. Literally the army about being thousands of years old having models from the previous millennium.
>>97284835Something that makes infantry want to charge instead of only take charges. Just to spitball some mutually exclusive ideas:Infantry v infantry charges don't get the double fighting line.Infantry v infantry charges both get the double fighting line All charges get extra ranks on the charge based on overcharge distance - for every 2" further than needed +1 ranks charging get to attack as supporting attacks. I like this cause it also makes cavalry want larger units and acts as a good point sink.If your infantry unit strength is higher than opponents infantry unit strength, charging causes fear. I dunno, make infantry want to charge damnit.
Gw tried to starve tow to death but they dont know I own a 3D printer and my ass is fat
>>97285191Oh, also an update to skirmish units where they operate as single models for purposes of fleeing. So having a single model hang back in front of friendly unit doesn't allow skirmishers to flee 18" cause fuck you.
Pathfinder Card Game 3rd WHEN Edition>>IF YOU ARE ASKING A QUESTION, PLEASE SPECIFY WHICH GAME YOU'RE PLAYING<<Previous Thread: >>97177684/pfg/ (pathfinder 1e) link repository: https://pastebin.com/RSt0rF0T/p2g/ (pathfinder 2e) link repository: https://pastebin.com/1zySxwm3/sfg/ (starfinder) link repository: https://pastebin.com/5yp9s2U3/pacg/ (Pathfinder Adventure Card Game) link repository: https://pastebin.com/wsNmzCMR>>CHECK THE SHARE THREAD FOR MISSING MATERIALS<<>tq: How do you read about updates for the game? Do you read the source material or just let some e-celeb yawn on about whatever garbage they want to spin?
>>97281971Maxed INT, second highest DEX, next CON and WIS. STR and CHA dump stats, if you want to use CHA skills get traits that swap those to INT.
>>97275604Robots suffocating is kinda silly, but real robots do require recharging and are about as vulnerable to heat, cold, radiation even, and even weaker to water unless designed for it.The way they phrased it is unsatisfying, I'll give you that.
>>97275604>typically don't need to breathe...>...requires breathable air...Just fucking say they breathe like everything else. Just be honest about what you want me to spend my money on. The faggoty Olympic retard mental gymnastics are just exhausting. If you are a GM and you don't want crazy things in your game, thats fine. Just say no, you don't need Paizo to tell you that you can.
>>97284044>what is a cars exhaust>why can't I haul my Fighter Pinto 2 through a river?I love having a little sperg out as much as the next guy. So much so that I ignore the part of the rules where it says I can ignore the rules so I can chimp out online.
>>97275836It might help to know how you plan for him to be changed mentally. Ideally (imo) the changes would be related somehow and reinforce each other. IE, he starts getting super paranoid or hyper aware of certain things, and now he also gets an ache in his joints whenever he's around certain sorts of magic or something. Eye color changes are also an easy one and can be very simple to make thematic.
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>>97282616I've been watching Dina's videos 24/7 recently, I really dislike that her arms are waxed/lasered, but she's got such a cute expressive face that I just can't resist.
>>97283443reddit site that’s why. muh heckin free wholesome chungus anti-capitalist chess site
>>97283976>anti-capitalist How the fuck could it be overtly "anti-capitalist" except for the fact that it is free to use
>>97282255Magnus with wooden pieces, a small board and bullet time control :D
>>97283999It's owned by a quirk chungus virtue signaling Marxist who makes a very loud point about never selling it or allowing advertisers and insists on being funded by Bernie-bro type "match me!!" donations. It's aggressively anti-capitalist, don't know what you don't understand
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New here and curious.Are these like character builders instead of story maker games?
>>97284299What? You mean cyoas in general? It's a better question for the other thread but yes, the vast majority are essentially a character builder, then you are free to imagine the story in your head. That's how they are supposed to work, as a self-insert most of the time, but this thread specifically uses them a little differently. After making the character we start the process of telling the story collaboratively instead of completely by ourselves. There are some exceptions, like Peil's Life Chronicles that have a more stuctured and involved adventure part, but those are rarer and they don't work for what we do in here.
>>97284299>>97284334>It's a better question for the other threadJust to be clear, this is true but asking there would be met with a lot of shitposting too.
>>97284374yeah I thinking exactly this, /m/ looked a lot chiller>>97284334oh cool, so it's mostly building a PC and making a story from the implied lore? instead of say, a few pages of encounters to pick from?
>>97285155Pretty much. There are cyoas that provide encounters for you to imagine your character dealing with or even jave mechanics for determining the outcome based on the options picked prior. The way someone usually goes about playing is picking their options and posting the build, optionally with meta reasoning for their picks and a bit on how they imagine things playing out. Here it's pretty standard to include a somewhat in depth bio.
>join a game>it's a new system>spend time looking through book, get ideas, munchkin slightly to at least have a good mechanic character, think backstories and character immediately, be excited to play>takes me a few hours to get my character in>at worst, it takes a day>everyone else takes like 2 fucking weeks because hurr durr gotta read a book and that's so difficult life comes first>join a game>its 5e DnD shit>since it's the most popular shit and easy to make just need to think of a character and ask what others are playing>get a character in 1 hour>others take fucking days to week>life, job, friend, vidya whatever is the excuseFuck. normalfags. Kill them all. Tabletop and nerd culture becoming the hip thing to do is the worst thing that has happened to this once niche culture.I work 40 hours a week, play vidya, workout, have to take out parents/grandparents out to eat on holidays and birthdays, and I can meet schedule and play tabletop just fine because this is my hobby and has been my hobby for 20 years. If you truly love something you can make time for it. There is no excuse.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97283516>I spent hours writing a story>want to drop the hobby.You can't drop a hobby you were never in, /lit/hoid.
>>97283742Well... you're a faggot.
>>97283701Damn, hope you get to play one of them someday.
>>97275912I've noticed this.I agree with this.It pisses me off, but I don't know how to confront my friends about it without alienating them.I don't know why they insist on playing with me every week, but don't seem to care about the hobby like I do. I enjoy learning the rules, figuring out the world, hell, I even like just quietly sitting there reading the books and imagining games that could be. I like roleplaying too.My group doesn't give a shit. Only one other guy can even be counted on to read the rules, and he's our forever DM. He's taking a break so another guy can run right now, and SURPRISE, he didn't decide to read the rules and figured he's just learn it as he went. Luckily it's OSRS shit so the rules are usually the same, but it's definitely a huge annoyance when he references 5e D&D concepts that aren't supposed to exist.
>>97275912>run a game for my friends>I've built an Excel character sheet that prompts them for any and all inputs and performs all calculations>fifteen minutes to build a character, tops, and it can then be printed into a clean and easily-referenced copy for use at the table>this also means that, if they haven't done it by session time, I can sit them down and take care of it while everyone else is getting the dice out and picking seatsWith a little bit of effort, your games can be all but frictionless.
This is a second OSRG, seperate from the main osrg thread, where you CAN talk about 2e, retroclones, and any osr content you want.This is different than the regular osrg as due to rampant trolling from a handful of bad actors, discussion is impossible.>Troves, Resources, Blogs, etc:http://pastebin.com/9fzM6128>Starter Dungeonshttps://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/86342023/#q86358321PREVIOUS THREAD>>97226728
>>97284369You don't need to preserve storyfaggotry: It's alive and well in all WotC editions, mongoloid.
>>97281665You're rong, kill yourself
>>972843692e absolutely can be do want to look more like?
>>97279450is the air unmoving or seeping out?
>>97284450You do know that everyone's aware that only trolls say storyshit/storygames/storyfaggotry, right?It's one of the most obvious and immediate tells.
Mid-Colonial Island Adventure Setup & System HelpHello fa/tg/uys and a happy new year. I'm planning a new campaign and would appreciate your collective wisdom. I'll lay out the pitch and would like your thoughts, ideas, and especially system recommendations.The year is roughly equivalent to the early 1700s. The players are new arrivals or long-term residents of an island colony. Mere weeks after their arrival it becomes apparent that no ships from the homeland arrive. Ships sent out for help or trade simply vanish. The colony is now utterly isolated. Resources are finite, society is beginning to crack, and the unexplored interior holds ancient secrets.>Resource ScarcityNo contact with the outside world. Every nail, bolt of cloth, and ounce of gunpowder is precious. Gold is the main currency, and it matters—for buying scarce supplies, hiring help, bribing officials or mayby hiring trainers if gold can be tied to character advancement.>Low-to-Mid MagicMagic is rare. Players won't be casting spells at the start. It's something discovered in the forest ruins or bargained for with strange spirits mid-campaign. Church sanctioned magic is the exception with high ranking members of the faith having access to considerable magical power.>Healers for Hire There are a few lowly priests of the faiths that can perform rudimentary healing rituals but demand some gold or favors. This type of healing and warding, especially against diseases, is used by the church to maintain power and influence. They're NPCs, not party members, at least initially and the most common source of magic.>Zero to HeroI would really like for the player to start really low powered. More akin to semi-skilled commoners than competent adventures and it should take time for them to actually become strong and capable. I would like for them to eventually become big players in the island. Maybe even hold titles or positions of power.
>>97271332so the colony of roanoke well it sounds like a perfect fit for mythras to me. these low power, commoner to hero, low magic kinda realistic games are the type of games it excels at
>>97280104colonial gothic is also an underrated game that i ppreciate and would fit very well what you re trying to do
you should probably use the Barbarians of Lemuria system to play this; with some of the added rules from Honor+ Intrigue, which explicitly is designed for games set in the 17th-18th century.
Thanks you all kindly for your system recommendations. Currently I am leafing through the ones I could find.>>97277226I would like something less rigid that the class system offered in OSE. For starters I wouldn't like anyone starting as a magic-user. It's generally too high-fantasy/magic for my use case, I think.SotDL Could kind of work. The path system and traditions are flexible enough and could be introduced later in the campaign. I would agree that D6s are swingy as boon/banes. D4s don't roll. D3 sound like a good compromise.>>97279797 Couldn't get my hands on beyond the wall for free yet. I don't know If it's available in the share thread, I will look it up. Mythras indeed looks like something that could work for my use case but I will have to find whatever sourcebooks support a 1700s setting better because the core seems more focused in a fantasy bronze age.>>97279904I respect Varg for being a dedicated and professional LARPer but I have at least two players that would refuse to touch any game with his name on it. Good point on gunpowder though. I haven't thought about making the island volcanic but maybe I will. Colonial Gothic seems too into it own thing to be of use but I will add it to my reading list.>>97282747Barbarians of Lemuria/honor+intrigue seems like a good fit generally. The way careers and magic work is very fitting but I am afraid it will be far too pulpy for what I am going for. .
>>97283263>but I have at least two players that would refuse to touch any game with his name on it.That is understandable>Good point on gunpowder though. I haven't thought about making the island volcanic but maybe I will.My understanding is most Caribbean islands are or were volcanic, and even dormant/extinct volcanoes will still have the sulfur mineral deposits left behind. There are also non-volcanic sources of sulfur. Gypsum can form from lake or sea water evaporating in an area or in caves and other deposits. That is trickier to turn into plain usable sulfur, but if you wanted to say it can be done more easily with magic, it would not be much of a stretch. Pulling an element that is already in the mineral out and extracting it sounds like babby level alchemy.Another thing to consider is wherever the gunpowder is actually produced and stored is also very vulnerable. Even in the modern day with modern safety practices, the only black powder producing plant in the US blew up in 2021.
Giant edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-november-10-2025>NewsThe 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97284513This is one of the most embarassing displays of art in a MTG card ever done.
>>97285117Don't worry anon, 2026 has just started
It's still 2025 here.
>>97283880Anon, are you stupid? The only players that remained are those into the dogshit.
>>97283880>HealImagine, for a single fucking moment, this god forsaken game have any chance of actually “healing” considering is under Hasbro corpo greedy clutches. Imagine thinking this LOL.
Post your favourite Warhammer Terrain kek
>>97273207That is sick as hell
>>97282661>Anyway to minimize?Not that I know of. Maybe painting in very small patches and letting each patch dry completely before moving on to a patch on the opposite side of the piece. Or slowly "drybrushing" the whole piece and never truly having a pile of wet paint on it at any point.
>>97282661People prime cardboard for oil painting and stuff but it's a whole multilayer process .You could probably cut down on some of it because this isn't going to be for traditional art but you'll have to experiment yourself on how many corners you can cut.
>>97284988>>97285031Meanwhile, in reality
