>>96457467
>This might sound dumb but isn't that part of the intended fun?
Nah not dumb at all, though it depends on the game. Most of them are just doing what they do because it's what most things that came before have done, without much more thought put into it.

>are you saying that in most scenarios if your plan does not do what you wanted it to do, then ultimately your turn is wasted because worst case scenario you're in a bad spot, and best case scenario it's a "whoops you flubbed your roll, okay next player"?
Sorta.
The issue I take with it isn't the plan itself failing, it's failing due to factors beyond your ability to control, consider, or plan for, and this often happens in ways that go against the character; The fighter here has two feats specifically to enable this plan, yet 80% of the time, Improved initiative doesn't matter, and Cleave has always been niche because it's just an extra attack roll that can occur under infrequent circumstances, and often doesn't matter even when it does materialize.

Far as systems that work around this go, I've got my own homebrew that's made to solve the issue, but the ones that gave me the ideas and helped me figure out why I found typical rulesets unsatisfying were Bizarre Adventures D6, and the Hollow Knight RPG, as well as The Riddle of Steel and its successors. Though for TROS, it isn't near perfect and still has issues, though there are free, fan-made successors that absolutely blow most systems out of the water in terms of core design.

>>96452041
I like stacking effects and watching number go up
>hit Elf with special arrow
>he gets poisoned, stunned, slept, bleed, on fire, cancer, AIDs, herpes
>takes damage for each every turn
>also slips in grease and falls into a cloud of daggers

>>96452041
>fun
character potential that can only be expressed by playing the actual game
unexpected character development
>turn off
incremental slop ( aka number go up )
powerlevels ( raw number vs number where if you have lower numbers there's no point in even trying against the bigger number )
major character decisions based on meta considerations ( most videogame rpgs, WotC D&D )

I like roguelikes. I like rolling 3d6 down the line and choosing a class based on that.
Don't like mmorpgs or arpgs.

>>96452041
80% skill and 20% luck.
Backgammon is a good example of this. A clearly stronger player will win the overwhelming majority of the time, but sometimes the dice gods fuck them over and favor the obviously weaker player to the degree the weaker player wins.

Going much higher in either direction makes the game feel stupid for having luck involved at all while also being kind of a bitch to table if your opponent is clearly weaker or stronger than you OR the game is just outright bullshit to even play.

Strangely, going 100% luck based somehow makes the game go right back to being fun again. If everyone knows it's bullshit and you are just in it for the ride? Good times abound. If there is any strategy involved in those games it becomes a massive hinderance to enjoyment. DungeonQuest, for example, is great because you will most likely die no matter what the fuck you do and that's what everyone signed on for. Pandemic, however, is total horseshit because you need to strategize effectively to win but can play a perfect game and get a Candyland style loss because the deck just said No and you can't do a god damn thing about it.

>>96452041
Resolution speed. Doesn't matter if it's a wargame or RPG. It's fun to have a system for everything, but if I can't resolve every decision instantly I'm put off from it. Cadence is important, and games that necessitate fiddling with either physical objects or mathematics or dice at length are annoying.

So the enemy stays in their ranged and melee distance and doesn't get the same def, open and forward options? Am I reading this right?

>>96446554
I want to know how It runs in the travel/exploration part

>>96463127
which pic are commenting on again?
but yeah it seems that stances are only for PCs though I haven't read the rules, just some googling

>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94154190/#q94154190
>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/93674346/#q93674346
>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/93570618/#q93570618
>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/93207316/#q93207316
What is this shit?

>>96463673
All me btw

>>96465655
Total Hasbro death
Behead Maro

>>96465665
Somebody call the Pinkertons!

>>96465665
>>96465647

Oh no! They are revolting! Quick, spoil Lorwyn!

>>96465681
What if I told you that Lorwyn is going to be Eclipsed, by SPOODERMAN AND FRIENDS!

>>96465362
That's week energy, nigger

>>96465336
tits too big

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>>96465685

>Dark States has Heartluru
>Dragon Empire has Bavsagra and Vyrgilla
>Star Gate has Messiah
>Keter Sanctuary has Minerva
>Stoicheia and Lyrical Monasterio have nobody making sweat
Worst 2 nations in the game.

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>>96465832
ahem
>>96465853
somehow still worse than Rorowa because rorowa doesnt tell your opponent youre playing lianorn

>>96465656
Reincarnation, you roll a new characte

>>96465703
Imagine being a salaryman corposlave and becoming a wraith because your "urgent unfinished business" is filling and sending forms for your boss. Your fetters are pens, a worn out keyboard, a copy machine and the chair that belonged to your boss's secretary, which you used to smell and fap to. Your passions are order, structure and stability.
You'd be very happy in Stygia.

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>>96465758
He sounds perfect for the bureaucracy of the Underworld. How do you imagine he died? Which Legion does he belong to?

>>96465871
>viral and bacterial
What happens to the Wraiths who die from fungal, parasitic and prion diseases?

>>96465897
They are kindly but firmly told to go to the Abyss where they belong.

>>96456160
Nah it down look very good, they look like Marvel's groot not stragly weird Ian Miller trees with faces

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>>96456135
Agreed. It's why I'm sculpting some of my own tree dudes.

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>>96464796
something looks off in one of them

why does the one on the left have two different types of bark?

>>96464796
what a chad

>>96465038
Because it's made of real wood. I'm hoping I can blend the green stuff in with the plastic and real bark with some clever painting.
Or I'll fuck up. But it will be my own unique fuck up.
>>96465679
Thanks senpai.

>>96465739
>The BBC owns Doctor Who.
I bet he does

>>96465739
You know what he meant.

>>96465773
Yeah and I don't really care.

Honestly I feel Dr.Who was a lot better made even being a Cummander set than this actual “real” Magic set. And is sad.

>>96465465
flavor text is giving me flashbacks to the Miku cards

>>96458347
I think in addition to the actual problems with the core rules, dislike for 5th gets - justifiably IMO - amplified in groggy circles because it's also the edition that began GW's modern embrace of named characters. They had tried mostly dropping the "opponent's permission" prohibition on specials already, but the community largely continued to enforce it themselves, and 5th was GW saying
>Oh you won't get on board of your own accord? Fine you ungrateful fucks, now all your subfactions fun flavour rules are tied to a specific dude, howdya like dem apples piggies?

>>96463665
>>96463763
Yep we knew modern terrain rules where ass, but this level suck assery was not expected. The few times we played at my place I live rather far away so the carless folks have a hard time getting here there is very noticeable difference to how games are played. Than when we played at the local store that has the shit ass 10th terrain.
The random sandbags and bushes change a lot how the game plays

Alright, i've been struggling with stuff outside the thread for a bit so i have to drop working on the daemonhunters book.

Who wants to pick up that one and transcribe it? preferably someone who actually played them back then.

>>96447020
Awesome.
Question has someone made the Witch Hunter and/or Imperial Guard?
I'm not seeing them anywhere in the thread

>>96463940
That’s a good point. While I don’t mind the mini heroes like the totally not Rambo characters, I don’t wanna see Calgar in every game. I’m not super well versed in 3rd ed but I do know that in the core rules it mandated that you ask about special characters. They took that out in 4th Ed and it’s one of the only changes I can think of that is for the worse.

>>96465557
Bumping inactive threads is normal, the problem is that on /tg/ there's one specific guy who's spent years doing it constantly in the same types of threads, never accepts that threads should die naturally when the discussion is over, and he never attempts to actually discuss anything himself because he only cares about keeping his pet threads on the board.

There's three threads up right now where the OP happened to include one of bumpfag's trigger words ("element", in this case) and he took that as an invitation to necrobump them for weeks. You'll notice that all of his threads usually get bumped around the same time of day with similar zero-effort bullshit posts for the sole purpose of keeping them from expiring naturally.
>>96314431
>>96315518
>>96422465
That last thread is mostly actual discussion at the moment because it's only a few days old, but when people run out of worthwhile content he'll still keep bumping it for the next month.

>>96465617
It could also be AI training using a bot to keep the thread alive. If that is the case, then it makes simple prompts and logs the presumably human responses and discussions. All it would need to do is disregard its own bumps from the dataset.

>>96465694
NTA but is it actually that big of an issue if, as you say, noonr but the bumpfag is in the thread anyway?
Won't new threads and people posting on the newer threads fix things naturally?

>>96465437
antibumpfags just use bumpfaggotry as a cudgel to attack what they actually hate: people making threads about personal settings or general fantasy and scifi concepts or tropes outside of established settings or games
I have no skin in the "debate" myself though since I don't read those and am just here for /mtg/ and /acg/, just what I've seen

>>96465684
>ah I get it, so bumpfags are ostensibly the OPs keeping their own threads alive?
A common and obvious theory as to who is doing it, but one that I can disprove from experience because I've made threads only to have them kept alive against my will by bumpfag posting.

> That being said, I've literally never seen any board have people that complain about that except on here.
/tg/ has a higher degree of autism than a lot of boards, we are better at pattern recognition so bumpfag posts stick out like a sore thumb

>>96453503
1. Only matters if you're doing Republic City era, and is a useful way to display time advancing.
2. Is just a different part of the dumb twin spirit thing. Pretend those two episodes don't exist.
3. Realistically necessary for air bending to exist in setting as anything other than a bunch of incest babies.

>>96460985
>Having played this and DungeonWorld immediately after, I'm firmly in the "PBTA is shit" camp.
Dungeon World, as its name suggests, is an incredibly shit implementation of PbtA. PbtA is good at player-driven stories with potential intra-group conflict, not dungeon diving with a party. The problem is that it's relatively simple to make a PbtA hack so they're mostly dross by people who don't understand its basic design.

>if there's no listed roll-failure effect, does nothing happen or are we obligated to make up our own?
Case in point. Never played or looked at the ATLA RPG, but this is a very basic part of the Apocalypse World structure: on a miss, make as hard and direct a move as you like. In AW, there's a list of MC moves:
• Separate them.
• Capture someone.
• Put someone in a spot.
• Trade harm for harm (as established).
• Announce off-screen badness.
• Announce future badness.
• Inflict harm (as established).
• Take away their stuff.
• Make them buy.

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delicious chocolate (but caucasian) ladies are my weakness

>>96463157
>Never played or looked at the ATLA RPG
As someone who has (and isn't that Anon you're responding to), I'll tell you that it does. The GM moves are as follows:
>Inflict fatigue or a condition
>Reveal a hidden truth
>Shift their balance
>Twist loyalties with tempting offers
>Escalate to violence
>Offer a risky or costly opportunity
>Threaten someone
>Shift the odds, suddenly
>Exploit a weakness in their history
>Provide wisdom in unlikely places
>Turn a move back on them
And in addition to this, each different era that you can play in comes with a page that discusses the themes of that time period, and provides additional GM moves that are thematically appropriate to the progress and struggles of those times.

>>96460985
>"My GM was a useless shit who didn't know what to do!"

Adding onto >>96465559, a GM technically has the 11 GM moves that are always available, plus each era gives them 15-18 more. If your GM has approaching 30 options for what to do, and they can't pick one, that's your fucking GM's fault.

>>96029345
Anyone ever read Mistborn? Imagine boneless monsters that scavenge corpses to build skeletons for themselves. That’s a mistwraith. I plan on taking the idea and tweaking it, maybe making them pseudo-undead.

>>96250996
idk ask the guy who made Skibidi toilet

>>96455121
I've read it, and I approve this message.

>>96054522
>INT 22
>WIS 18
>doesn't want allies
>just wants to fight everything
>senseless rage
>doesn't care about self preservation
>master tactician
>attacks directly only
>doesn't think about tactics until it's getting its ass kicked
So intelligent

>>96029345
Imagine a cross between a snake, centipede, and dragon. Oh, and they live in hives like ants.

>>96464045
What game

>>96464045
I want my milf monarchy. Knight me mommy

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>>96465577
My man.

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>>96465577
for me it's loli-centric theocracy

>>96462046
I've been thinking a lot about the red economy but I'm not sure if I actually posted anything. Going Metal makes borging seem easy and gives an idea of what the actual 2045 economy is like. There are enough FBCs in Night City to have developed their own culture since 2020 (when FBC was just gear, now it's Harley Davidson), and some boosterganger boss is able to casually drop 30,000eb to get an FBC. Also Gemini and Alphas (aka skinless Gemini) are considered expensive (the 100eb price category despite being x100 that) so anyone can source one without paying a fixer (but it's interesting that the biopod essentially costs 12,000eb and always requires a mega fixer/midnight market). Perhaps this random party gonk is a hardened boss because they get unlimited cyberware funding (according to Danger Gal NPC guide). Also the Gemini's lore has them being so ubiquitous that many FBC just add them to their collections, implying a closet of FBC that could cost dozens of Fort Knox level runs (but again in the core rulebook a 2000eb job is called a suicide run but quite a few of the bunny slope jobs in TotR pay that much).

Red in 2045 seems more like Fallout New Vegas (I haven't played anything past that) where people have money but nobody wants to spend it on infrastructure so you have power armor goons, a clinic that can implant cyberware, robot armies, random wasteland junkies with military grade laser weapons... But not one paved road.

tl;dr I think the gutterpunk angle Mike wanted was quickly scraped when he left. It's really hard to keep using it as a frame of reference when everything else in the lore contradicts it.

>>96465340
I truly am not sure if cyberpunk is made for high level characters it truly seems like its mostly grunt level play.

>>96465470
If you're the ref, you can homebrew payouts and progression to boost your players to whatever level you want. If you're doing high-level fixer gigs from big-name corpos, maybe they don't mind dropping 20k eddies spread between a group of 4 or 5 runners. You do a 4 or 5 gigs for them a month, and a single player is sitting on a nice pay package when they close all those gigs.
>"Dangerous jobs, but militech pays well for good wetwork."

>>96465710
Yeah true but working for a corpo cripples your humanity in the game mechanics or did i missread that.

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>>96465776
Well, with the new ERMK, you can balance that out with other stuff.
>do wetwork during the week.
>party with your chooms at the club on the weekend.
I think most people cope in Night City with drugs, BDs, or some occasional joytoy visits if they can't find an input/output. As long as you have eddies to burn and aren't super unlucky, it seems like it'd be easy enough to boost your humanity. The ref can also offer up humanity for doing "good deeds" if the alternative for a gig outcome was a less moral but more lucrative path to eddies.

I was really unlucky recently since we'd gotten a prize of 4d6 humanity gain, but I got nothing but 1's. Another player got more humanity with one die than I did with 4. Given their windfall, I may be more stingy with luck points (we can use them in shared instances courtesy of our homebrew).
>"You got plenty of humanity, I gotta save my luck for when I really need it. Unless you wanna spare me some humanity..."
I don't know if the ref will allow that, but I'd give up a crucial luck point in exchange for some extra humanity from another player.

>>96464895
May I recommend Jesus instead.

>>96465264
I've tried. There's not an ounce of faith in my body.

>>96462232
>"hard-core blood and lasers sci-fi mech game"
>"we are so sorry we touch upon these bad things, please forgive us. Here's a safety system to use incase the aspects of war make you feel bad vibes"
God's, that's pathetic.

>>96465641
True, if an "ugh, can we fucking not, please?" doesn't fix the problem then you're either at the wrong table or you're at the wrong table and either way you oughta fuckin leave- Either you're a fuckin pussy or the other players/DM are faggots

Unfortunately, if you pick up a game from Pilot.net, you've already forked over $25 a week two months in advance before you find out this is a transbian dilation campaign.

>>96465854
Why would I even bother playing a game that's pussified slop from setting to mechanics?