Still Alive Edition>>IF YOU ARE ASKING A QUESTION, PLEASE SPECIFY WHICH GAME YOU'RE PLAYING<<Previous Thread: >>96772464/pfg/ (pathfinder 1e) link repository: https://pastebin.com/RSt0rF0T/p2g/ (pathfinder 2e) link repository: https://pastebin.com/1zySxwm3/sfg/ (starfinder) link repository: https://pastebin.com/5yp9s2U3>>CHECK THE SHARE THREAD FOR MISSING MATERIALS<<TQ: Have you played as an undead character? What material is missing from undead options?
>>96911725Okay but that just dances around that monk needs some way to better define and communicate what the fuck it's meant to be DOING, and not make all the ways to best optimize it be obtuse and counterintuitive (like being a robot for the best AC, or using a goddamn SHIELD on a MONK).>>96912360I agree with most of this but would argue it's fine at its current proficiency scaling (outside of its Perception, which is insultingly shit), l the only problem with it is that its unarmored scaling is functionally fake at level 1 unless you actively go out of the class to fix it (with either ancestry/versatile heritage or drakeblood mutagen), which kind of feels wildly unnecessary.I'll unironically say that monastic weapon should also just be built into the monk, full stop, and the weapon feat you can take instead is just to share handwrap runes. We solved this shit with Unchained Monk in 1e for fuck's sake why did we go BACKWARDS?>but what if I don't want to use a weapon???Then just don't? Other classes get extra shit they don't use all the fucking time.
>>96913080Justice Champion with 2H Reach, Marshal Archetype (Inspiring Stance) and Smite can be pretty nasty, but you are ultimately still primarily a Defender, and will forever hear the echo of "but the shield of reckoning build is better".>should I just go for Fighter with Champion, Cleric, Sorcerer or Oracle archetype?Fighter, Barbarian, Exemplar (trivial to refluff into being "Oracle but Martial") main class, and one of your listed classes as archetypes, is probably your best bet for pure striker. Rogue main class is good but not a main frontliner.>Is Avenger Rogue worth a damp?No, it's okay as far as Class Archs go, but that still means it's bad
>>96910314>And it is redundant enough that Fighter DOESN'T want to poach it! Mission Failed Successfully!What? Champion is amazing on fighter and the sole redundancy is in the dedication. Blessing of the devoted is great, the focus spell is strong, and the reaction is extremely good, especially for fighter who can take extra reactions so they aren't sacrificing reactive strikes to use it.I would go further to say that champion is easily a top 3 dedication for fighter. Where did you get the idea it was something fighters don't want?
>>96910314>Champion MC is similar value, but for frontliners not named Fighter. For longer campaigns that get out the early-game level, this helps match you up with Fighter's chassis in pretty much everything baring Bravery. And it is redundant enough that Fighter DOESN'T want to poach it! Mission Failed Successfully!>>96913458>the sole redundancy is in the dedication.Even the dedication is pretty alright in the right campaign, if you sanctify as holy, you get to trigger holy weak weakness on all your strikes. Is that worth it? Eh, depends, but better than nothing.
>>96913080Fighter main class, Champion, Exemplar, Barbarian archetypes. Champion makes you Holy and gives you retributive strike and either a speed boost or an extra weapon rune, Exemplar gives you more damage and some self healing, barbarian is sort of an optional addition if you aren't using any concentrate actions and are willing to squeeze out just a bit more damage in exchange for some defense penalty.For your Ikons, Barrows Edge and Scar of the Survivor if you're skipping barbarian, or replace Scar with Gleaming Blade if you're either using barbarian or want to trade a little self-healing for more damage.
Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to TSR-era D&D, derived systems, and compatible content.Broadly, OSR games encourage a tonal and mechanical fidelity to early Dungeons & Dragons - less emphasis on linear adventures and overarching meta-plots and a greater emphasis on player agency.If you are new to the OSR, welcome! Ask us whatever you're curious about. We'll be happy to help you get started on this playstyle.>Troves, Resources, Blogs, etc:http://pastebin.com/9fzM6128>Need a starter dungeon? Here's a curated collection:https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/80674659/#80722465>Previous thread:>>96901707Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96913363Oh yeah? Why is that? What is the minimum intelligence required for a magic user?
>>96913265>a single conceptYeah, brosr pushes btb raw 1eMeanwhile, osrg plays;>Odd >BX >1e>AcksSo, you're "single concept" falls to shambles immediately. You really should let this part go and try to come up with something better, you're already ESL, don't make it harder on yourself by using new stuff without practicing first.
>>96913374No, I just defined it for you.>the guys who keep trying to inflict a single concept that everyone must adhere to on the rest of the OSR.Hell, you've had it defined for you in your troll thread even. Here's people discussing the term and providing definitions.https://www.enworld.org/threads/brosr.691184/Your personal "OSR is everything except 2e" crusade is just a flavor of that "the OSR must be pure" nonsense. You always hope to defend your ridiculous efforts in gatekeeping by saying that if standards are not established and upheld, anything can be called OSR and chaos will reign and whatever else you need to add to your slippery slope fallacy. The thing is, the definition you are personally using is not the one accepted by the larger OSR community, and if what you want is to create a private space for you and your definition, you're not going to be able to do that and also co-opt the OSR name. Your efforts to carve out a private space for yourself have really just landed you in the gated-off community of the BrOSR.You're not in control here, or really anywhere. You can't stop people from labeling you as BrOSR whenever you try to redefine what OSR means for everyone. The OSR started as just people scared WotC wouldn't reprint pre-3e materials anymore, and it's always been a loose and wide group of people with a vague shared interest (old school games), and not some restrictive cult.
>>96913496Sorry, but people don't get to just define what things are, that's why you're mad at this thread, remember? :)By the way, do you have any character sheet you could post? Doesn't even have to be 2e, it could be for literally any game at all, not even osr :-)
>>96913496>OSR is everything except 2eLmao you're genuinely fucking retarded for even thinking that this is a takeaway from the thread. It's actually >2e is not /osrg/simple as, accept this and move on, or the beatings will continue until morale improves.
Six More Vodka Edition Here is a thread to discuss trading card games other than the big three.>Build Divide>Force of Will>Final Fantasy TCG>DBZ CCG>Wixoss>Keyforge>Gundam>Legend of the 5 Rings (L5R)>Digimon>Flesh and Blood>Gate Ruler>Battle SpiritsComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>96913237I think I've been playing eroge for too long now, the horizontal nip looks more normal than the vertical one
>>96912850Variance is at the heart of every tcg because of deck shuffling, mulligan goes against the spirit of the genre.If a bad hand is a consequence of poor deckbuilding, then it's up to the player to fix the issue by learning how to build properly. Offering second chances isn't helping them.If you design a tcg that needs players to take multiple hands before a game happen, there is a flaw in your system. MTG and Pokemon having this flaw doesn't mean that it should be accepted as a standard.
>>96913294I meant the text along the left border of the cardthe one that is vertical, but the characters are needlessly rotated as well
>>96913418Oh shit i didn't even realise, wtf is the point of that?
8 days since the last thread died Edition▶What is Kingdom Death?Kingdom Death is a tabletop minature brand stared by Adam Poots and operated by himself and his Team that later spun off into a miniature based bored game funded by two very successful Kickstarter campaigns.▶What is Kingdom Death: Monster?Monster is a Nightmare Horror cooperative boss battler/miniature hobby game for 1-4 players about hope in a strange world of bizarre monstrosities and perpetually darkness. Players take on the role of survivors that band together to form a settlement, fighting monsters, crafting weapons and gear, and developing their civilization to ensure survival from generation to generation.Prologue Narration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNLc8dHv0AcThe Game is broken up into 3 phases:1. During your Hunt Phase your band of survivors traverse the world of KD in pursuit of their quarry.2. After successfully tracking your quarry you will begin the Showdown Phase, where you must fell these horrific creatures in order to acquire precious resources.3. After the battle, your survivors wander home with loot in hand to begin the Settlement Phase. Arm yourself by developing new weapons and bizarre structures to prepare for next year's hunt.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96912227Black KnightGCESunstalker/Dragon KingDBKRed WitchesPeople also recommend Gorm but personally I dislike him visually (tbqh I dislike how every other nq1 looks too, besides white lion)
>>96912216It gives you the option to start over or to hunt another monster without recovering. You could just go hunt a level 1 white lion if you didn't want to restart. And restarting isn't a loss either, because you get to keep all your gear and your 4 hunting survivors, so you're starting from year 1 with a huge advantage.
>>96911549Yeah sorry, that was a dumb question. I was wondering more if there were big balance changes or changes to models that makes the latest version more worth it versus an old one someone is selling. But it looks mostly the same to me from a cursory search
>>969130221.5 is still fine to purchase (if you can actually get a good deal) because the differences are quite small and then you can buy a $30 1.6 upgrade pack from official store which will cover all the changes between those versions and also includes a bunch of bonus content from old white boxesAnything below 1.5 I wouldn't get
Very spooky and dark setting.
People always shit on 4e, but at least it gave us cantrips so spell-casters wouldn't be totally worthless at low levels, something that many future tabletops stole from it...
>>96908385Yes there is.
>>96912871>um the devs were inspired by the largest mmo at the time but that had no impact on 4es design at all because I’ve never played games at all
>>96909669>The similarities are there regardless of the designers being aware of themthen name them
>>96911693Yes, a commentary on 4e by Mr. "You can't shout arms back on!"You can't Cure Light Wounds them back on either but that never mattered to that ass in the first place or the people who listen to him.
>>96912945>Cooldown and recharge mechanics never existed until WoW.I get what you're trying to say, but you're not saying it correctly.
Angry Fellows Edition>RPG Rulebookshttps://rentry.org/40kRPGLinks>Homebrew Collection (Feb 2025)https://rentry.org/40RPGHB>WANG/Imperium Maledictum Newshttps://cubicle7games.com/blog/warhammer-40k>Bestiary, armoury, weapon quality and NPC databasehttp://www.40krpgtools.com/>Dark Heresy 2e Character Creator:https://apps.ajott.io/dh2chargen/>General 40kRPG Encyclopediahttps://www.scholaprogenium.com/>Offline Combined Armory (v6.48.161023)Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96908179Did he get to fuck the wych
>>96911221>>96906254WFRP4e. It's not perfect, but it's still got that 2e flavour. It wasn't great when it came out but it was pretty tolerable, and lots of core books have ironed out the wrinkles. Desperately needs a better equipment system though.
>>96911968Most Chapters don't rule directly the world they have control over, they intentionally stay as distant as possible to not influence the local cultures with their presence.Apart from that, they don't really need diplomacy since they are venerated as demigods by basically all human cultures within the Imperium. It would be more of a matter of the astartes adapting to the local cultures so they don't spook them too much and avoid needless violence, but Astartes are also supposed to be extremely intelligent so it would be easy for them to pick up the most important cultural cues quickly
>>96911968Depends on the chapter but generally space marines know enough to interact with imperial governors and sidestep their political games. Some are eloquent and well schooled in retoric while others like Grimaldus are just about holding it together and not spilling their transhuman spaghetti. Plus they can declare people traitoris and execute them.
>>96911968They are probably not formally taught it like they are war, but politicking, and thus diplomacy, occurs within the chapter and without. Probably Captains and beyond will have to start learning whose toes they can step on and who they can't within the larger Imperium. Despite thoughts to the contrary, chapters do not have unlimited power. They rely on interconnected logistics chains, arouse inquisitorial ire, and squabble over ancient oaths; sometimes these diplomatic disputes boil over—see Badab.
Herd of Tiny Horses Edition>What is this?/TG/ DEVELOPED A GAMEIT IS PLAYABLE. IT HAS BEEN PLAYED.EXPEDITION is a ~1880s era, Jules Verne-inspired retro-futurist, underground blood soaked adventurescape.It is a Skirmish wargame. Two players with their own expeditions, on a hexgrid map, explore & fight each other for victory and profit.3 versions of the rules exist, 2 of which have been playtested. The main one is 2e, to be found :>https://www.mediafire.com/folder/us7vnek39dc6k/AgarthaRulesas with maps, tokens and lore resources.>TL;DR Dochttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1LxdaGoBlJRTMuziMDupG5TeeFwNDnsIW2pfaRAcFDgA>Main Lore Doc, including links to anon-written short stories and additional lore in "Recommended..." sectionComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96910450See, the way I see it is that Cunningham knows that the Atlanteans are happy in their stagnation, a bit improved with the Revolution and the king, but they need something else to kick them into gear before something worse comes along, and Rakkad ain't gonna do it. Why else would he wave the red flag at the bull? I feel like writing him as some RVLE Britannia guy is too simple, he's someone who understands what's coming, but he's resisting the temptation of a Faustian bargain that Napoleon and Malcolm took, instead going all in on politicking and sheer industrial might.
>>96853645Then have some more! In order, from top left to right. Admiral Saigo Judo.General Nozu MichitzuraImperial Japanese Officer (and Alternative)7cm Osaka Arsenal28cm L/10Fuso-class IroncladHokkaido SurvivorA bit of a bump as everyone takes a bit of a breather from the thread, myself included. Reading some of the primary sources to determine a good way to construct the Imperial Japanese. Have had to skip ahead a little bit to the 1st Sino-Japanese War in 1894 to get good material. This may go without saying but the Japs ran a little hot in this period, in terms of bloodthirstiness. I don't think there was a modern army that was trained in their fashion, which, if later photographs and contemporary accounts are to be believed, encouraged close-order weapons practice on Chinese and Korean prisoners of war. It does tend to remind one of the stereotypes accorded to them during the Second World War. The art that was produced during the late 19th century, as a form of recording the events of the war, included numerous depictions of mass beheadings, pic related. Gods help those Muic fellows if the Japanese decide to move into Mt. Usu in force. >>96895640>>96895644Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
The Tsar Alexander II, his family, and the princess' little horse. Photo taken a few years before the assassination attempt that costed the Tsar his left eye.
>>96855026Also, tiny horse for the game.
>>96912701Another also, fixed the line that ran across that one piece.
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how much time has passed since earth was flooded with RE and we wake up in the DIMA base?https://imgchest.com/p/qe4gmez3j4j
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>>96913480>Skin Color:>Human>Brownbased tok god
So, now you need to decide. Do you close your eyes to what you've seen and go back to sleep? Or do you come with this psycho burnout and do the impossible against the unbelievable and keep the future at bay for another day? What's it going to be? In or out?Yeah? You dumb shit.>Thread Question:What was your cell's biggest fuckup or loss?>Previous thread:>>96688323>Unofficial Resources:https://delta-green.neocities.org
>>96904154Like the other two said, you basically gave yourself the answer for number 3.>>96903151Huh, those are pretty out there, but unique and I like how they were used to add more to the character.
>>96904154I'd just ask your Handler what kind of exposure would be suitable to make your character the guy that gets drafted for this opera.I have considered making a gunbunny that is basically a survivor of a Three Kings (1999) tontine type situation, only he finds that the crates of gold are actually a bunch of antique books in Arabic, and a bunch of suits intercept and disappear all three of them as soon as they return stateside - he's working off his debt to society as merc muscle for 'the CIA' under threat of kangaroo court martial, while 'the CIA' decide how involved in the heist's planning stages he really was(n't).As far as I'm concerned it ticks boxes of being occult-adjacent without actually having an alien or daemon in it, but the character has a reason to be locked in on believing that serious people believe in this shit.
>>96878832I'm a massive fan of the king in yellow so it plays into things I really like. I think the book itself is begging to be cut up and used in different ways; as big as it is I personally think it needs work to fit into your style plus some of the scenes seem a little crummy to me or they don't fit in the theme all too well.
>>96904228>>96904554>>96907676Appreciated, folks. I decided to go with time in Bosnia, and instead of losing his fireteam in combat, one of his buddies brought back an artifact he found in a bombed-out building. This led to a DG cell taking interest, he was pulled in because of his personal connection to the subject, and by the end of it he was inducted into the conspiracy because he'd seen too much.The Handler also wants me to determine why he's the last member of that cell, so I foresee survivor's guilt in this dude's future.>>96908508I like the way you set that up, yes. No obvious supernatural stuff.
>>96806292NoAlso Im like 90% sure this is a great way to bait or derail any Delta Green Thread>>96805498TQ: Getting captured by the UN in Iraq and one of the Agents spilling the beans about DG and the anomalous to the normies, and then when we got let go said what he did to our Handler. We were promptly disappeared in a false flag terror attack.
>be Imperium>ships never arrive on time>constantly losing planets>barely understand how tech works>made it to M40 only because everyone else in the setting is smaller>still think IOM can beat Galactic Empirewhy 40k fans still think they can beat Star Wars
>>96905071>>96899784The biggest character trait of the Emperor, which is old as fuck in the lore, is that he sees himself as literally the only possible way for humanity to go on and he is physically unable to accept that other ways might be viable. We literally have an example of Crusade era Imperium meeting a federation equivalent and it was straight up genocided. It doesn't matter if yes, the federation is actually reaching his stated end goal better that what he could ever do. If anything it would make him even less able to accept it as a viable alternative. Picturing him seeing the federation and go "I'm wrong actually" is character rape on the level of Palpatine deciding to retire as a farmer.
>>96912212The only examples of the Federation situation you are talking about was manipulated by outside forces to bring it to bloodshed.Before that, negotiations were going well.
>>96912257Can you point me to a single point in the fluff where the Emperor changes idea or is even shown as being willing to embrace other ideas instead of going my way or the highway I am infallible?
>>96837875How big is the SW Imperium?If IoM doesn't have any other enemy than the SW Imperium I think that W40k will win just by numbers.
>>96913402depends on the time you´re looking at time. Its largest expansion was after the last seperatist holdouts fell in the outer rim sieges till about Yavin or Endor. After that it obviously fragmented into various warlord mini empires and imperial remnant states. So if we take the episode 4 to episode 6 movie era, most of the star wars galaxy, excluding smaller states like hutt space etc. Now how big the Star Wars galaxy is compared to 40ks milky way? Who the fuck knows, really. Both are very big.
Blue Shadow Virus EditionPrevious: >>96799668A thread for discussing the Star Wars franchise and its various media and tabletop games.Fantasy Flight Games’ X-Wing, Armada, and Legion>https://pastebin.com/9puqx1zeStar Wars Roleplaying Games (d6/d20/FFG)>https://pastebin.com/iUriRfaAOther FFG Star Wars tabletop (Imperial Assault, Destiny and the LCG)>http://pastebin.com/ZE4gn0yNComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96911541That's Rey 'Mary Sue' Nobody Somehow Palpatine Skywalker, Last of All the Jedi to you, fanboi.
Heya lads I did a kitbash test model of a Half Life HECU inspired army trooper, cool or gay? Taking suggestions and abuse
>>96913157Nice one, Anon. I like him. Is this a 3D print?>>96912931Soft plastic, pls no bully
>>96913360Thanks anon, yes 3d kitbash from a bunch of stuff skullforge, victoria minis, darkfire.
>>96913360>Soft plastic, I'm sure one of the girls can help you with that>pls no bullyDon't worry, you'll be ramrod straight and not soft
I remember playing 1e back in the day and wondered if 2nd edition is worth anything?
>>96898779>Norse, I’m a big fan of the Thor movies.Same here, seconding.
>>96749470Say that they decided to make a 3e version of Scion, what would you want to happen in the new edition? And if you have any good 2e homebrew please share it.
>>96905183>Say that they decided to make a 3e version of Scion, what would you want to happen in the new edition?That all copies and notes are lost in a fire, and everyone responsible suffers lethal accidents or brain damage that renders them incapable of writing.
>>96905832>That all copies and notes are lost in a fire, and everyone responsible suffers lethal accidents or brain damage that renders them incapable of writing.Okay, what if there has to be a playable game at the end?
>>96889119I’m surprised that the giant in the story bought that Thor was a woman, to be honest.
Cover Card ACE editionPrevious >>96869913>Basics Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/GWjTU9Uv>Anon's Locals Survival Guidehttps://pastebin.com/xXp5jShL>Fanmade PC simhttps://pastebin.com/u6aKrBSg>Official Mobile sim (Release Date TBA)https://www.digimon-alysion.com/en/Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96912813Tsumemon not cute.
>>96912685They are making new Plug-In option cards, but are they going to limit it to the Sakuyamon archetype, or do you think they will expand and make a "tamers" archetype to support it?
>>96912831yea but the timing of the draw doesn’t really matter. Like you’re still committing to the swing regardless. Were as the Tsumemon can give you a draw in general when you play a body which can effect your gameplan. Just seems like a worse Tsumemon since the deck is spamming bodies anyways
>>96912874The timing of the draw does matter though, because that gives you more chances to draw into a Digimon you'd rather play by the effect (Gotsumon, Seadramon, Angemon) than be limited to the cards in your hand.
>>96912889duh, I feel so dumb not even realizing that. I am bad at deck building
>Brutus' Drivehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B1qb0_OLhDrDYVVpbllIREdOczg?resourcekey=0-m3LU1xaC5-PnnA0VLRfK9g>DriveAnon's Drivehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Cx7KoDkQa9qmDfJN9_CehZ0fxXEweKOu?usp=sharing>Jumpchain IRC Chathttp://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.rizon.net/?#JumpchainCYOA>Ruleshttp://pastebin.com/Gqj3iKyn>How to Jumpchainhttp://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1qb0_OLhDrDVDFBR2NpdG03S0U/viewComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96913303Good luck dealing with Wanda, at least the Kangs won't be a problem thanks to Dr. Doom soloing them.
>>96913316I dare say that even while MCU (mind control) has thousands of problems, it's still better than modern MCU (capeshit). And that is quite depressing.
>>96913186Only twinks and traps
>>96913322Just don't use Godslave on Riri, judging from her own series she will end up somehow convincing herself to open a gate to Hell if she ever falls in love and wants to impress some boy.
>>96913303Being a Perfect seems pretty neat, it's basically a better and easier version of being a low to mid essence solar. They don't have any perfects or the truly bullshit stuff high essence solars get but instead they can just do everything perfectly and beyond without a need to train up highly specific charms.
Besides mythology and movies/series, what are some other good sources of inspiration for interesting creatures ?I personally like to use outdated paleoart
>>96903138Jannies will have a melty if I give you the FRD, but essentially he's a regular who pretends to be interested in shut but actually just prompts you with endless vague questions like a braindead child. It's an insidious killer cuz it's so hard for a newfag to tell the difference between that and genuine discussion, you're like ten in-depth posts in before he starts repeating questions and you realize you've been effortposting to the human equivalent of a brick wall. Once he latches onto a thread though he keeps it bumped forever, so he's a protected species for the ones that want to pretend activity hasn't dropped to apocalyptic levels. ...Yknow, describing him like that, a creative vampire is actually a really cool concept for a creature. Might have to flesh that out.
>>96900758Do cryptids count as mythological? Because there are some weird ones out there.
>>96905134I think cryptids fall in a grey area between mythology, pop culture, sci-fy and reality
>>96900758The secret to making a bestiary is that animals are actually really samey. Look at OP. It's basically a bunch of four legged lizards with a bunch of variations. What's the real difference between a bear, a wolf, a deer, and a capybara? Fuck all, except size and strength and diet and antlers and fur.So here's the cheat: don't bend your arse over backwards to make a shittonne of unique animals. Make 3-4, and then modify/blend them. You can get a whole >>96900758genus just by taking a single creature and asking "what if they were":>tiny/huge>more aggressive/timid?>adapted to extreme cold/hot/dry/acid/etc>natural predators of a particular creature>crossed with another creatures?>tamed for a specific purpose?Like lets imagine a large bantha-like crustacean that moves like a caterpillar (or an accordion). It uses the compressing motion to expel gas into the air that it collects from digesting tonnes of greenery and seaweed. It also eats poisonous mushrooms, stores their gas in a special sack, and can expel that as a defence mechanism. Cool, nice base. Now let's make them:>huge (like REALLY huge; they get mistaken for islands shrouded in fog)>agrressive (jack-in-the-box ambush predator. Leaves haunting blood red mists after consuming living beings)Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96913366This is accurate, and I use a similar method for designing animals. Just lay out some ground rules for basal traits and then do variations based off that.For example, in my SF setting the animals on the homeworld of one of the species all share a standardized bodyplan of having 4 body segments, with the ancestral condition being three pairs of limbs in all segments except the last. Some species have lost one or more pairs of limbs, and in many cases the limbs on the head-segment have evolved into mandibles, but none of them have more than 9 pairs of limbs or more than 4 body segments.