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Has there ever been a society that treated its veteran warriors well in history?It seemes to me young men are enticed into the army and either killed or maimed. Afterwards the maimed veterans are discarded and hated by society for some reason, happened in Vietnam, Japan, China, the Soviet Union, basically every society hates them. And in most cases they didnt have a choice since they were conscripted
The idea of the "manly warrior" is a psyop to get you to die for israel. Has been for thousands of years.
>>18119174>happened in Vietnam, Japan, China, the Soviet Union, basically every society hates them.Yes history started in the 20th-century, you are very smart anon. Did you know in the past military service was an elite status symbol? Fucking retard.
Are equality and human rights Christian concepts?
>>18119331sikh religion at least have their first guru who give equality and oppose slavery but your god jew allow that ha ha cope and seethe.Guru Nanak was a strong opponent of slavery, advocating for human equality and denouncing the practice of owning other people. His teachings promoted equality by rejecting the caste system and promoting the equal value of all people, which was reinforced through practices like the community kitchens (langar) and congregations (sangat). Although some stories suggest he was briefly taken as a prisoner of war and forced into labor, he was known for advocating for the freedom of others, and the Sikh empire later abolished many forms of servitude.
>>18119336Ok, dalit
>>18119334yeah but he say he representaion of christ or some shit. He has god will bro. Atheist is shit how can understand god will of pope chad.
>>18119340The Pope was never the representative of God lolHe's just the leader of the Church
>>18119343The Pope is considered by Catholics to be the earthly representative of God, specifically of Jesus Christ, acting as the "Vicar of Christ". This role is based on the belief that the Pope is the successor to the Apostle Peter, who was given authority by Jesus to lead the Church on Earth. While the Pope represents Christ, this is distinct from being God, and the Pope is seen as a human who carries out Christ's mission on Earth.
*sacrifices babby*
They're actually from India originally before settling in Africa, which is why the Romans called them Poonigs
>>18118595it's even funnier when the people "um ackhoallying" it more or less uncritically accept everything the romans wrote about the (other) barbars
>>18118906YesIt actually went the other way around.Ireland>Carthage>Phoenicia, part of which then mutated into Israel.This means the Irish are the realest Jews in the world and everything in the Bible before Joseph actually happened in Ireland.
>>18118595>Punics be like, "yeah we killed babies"Nope.>Jews be like, "yeah the people around and north of us kill babies"Punics didn't live North of Jews. Jews are White Europeans from Germany and Poland, North of them would Danes and Lithuanians and they off course never interracted with them.>Romans be like, "Yeah they killed babies"Biased source. Also Romans raped and killed babies by their own admission. >Modern negro Americans and Latrinos be like, "UMMM AKKKTUALLY DAT WAS FAKE AND ITS RAYCIST TO SAY DAT N SHITBBC lives rentfree in your mutt brain LMAO.
>>18119269The OT never happened at all.
What started the current trend of progressive feminist fascism?Can we blame Margret Thatcher the era of political pick me's and how has this sort of counter alignment worked itself out in the past
>>18119281Aphrodite Latinopoulou is another one, the Greek version
>>18119281None of these are fascists. They are radical leftists by 1920's standards ffs calling for no immigration isn't fascism.
>>18119302They're doing a lot of work to repackage what is considered traditional but they feel like a hollow marketing gimmick used just for the woke aesthetic. I'm British and hate Thatcher but at least I could see the argument in her case. Their new policies have hindsight on their side but outdo her in terms of kicking out the ladder from underneath people who have already succeeded. Unlike Thatcher their policies hurt their potential voting block making things harder for young families, naturally nationalist sectors like farming.
>>18119322They barely have any left wing policies despite their identity politic style arguments, even in terms of women's right their policies would limit them more than any of the mainstream conservatives..
>>18119338This is all relative left-right spectrum crap which changes radically with different time periods. If their position on women's rights is the most right-wing in the past 60 years, all it reflects upon is the last 60 years being extremely left-wing on women's rights.
Trvke: racism is about skin color.>noooo it's about fancy buildings and inventionsIf that were the case Mesoamericans would be considered superior to Scandinavians.
>>18112945>Trvke: racism is about skin color.Not all racism is the same.But yeah there are definitely a lot of utter retards who can't look past color to the point where they'll define color based on theur racial wishes.Pretty schizo, but what can you do?Also protip: pic of preserved historical thing >>>>> artist's rendition regardless of subject.
>>18114745I've been here since this board existed, because I was infodumping about Mesoamerican shit on other boards since before /his/ was made, and I was on 4chan for many years before even that prior to when I started posting about MesoamericaAnyways, yes, Teotihuacan's structures have been moderately to heavily restored in some cases but the only structure I know of that really has it done in a misleading way is the Pyramid of the Sun, and most of the time you can tell what has been restored or not because there are pebbled inserted into the mortar on the restored bitsThat's more an indication then you'll get for heavily restored sections of roman or mesopotamian ruins in Italy or Iran>>18114763What did you say regarding Tenochtitlan's population? Link the thread on desuarchive and I'll give my thoughts
>>18118398>Link the thread on desuarchive and I'll give my thoughtsI don't have time for cheap academic jargon; your verbosity is fine on a Saturday afternoon, for example, when we don't have much to do. But just search on desuarchive.org and you'll remember the day. I only got mockery in response
>>18114763>>18114745Mesolarp is so annoying and biased
>>18113558the cimbri are descended from the same cimmerian traders that settled anatolia.at an early date they did wear horns, which is why schizo med historians put horns on vikings, because medshits lack temporal discernment
Can you own the historical weapons of your people in your country?
>>18119031I own an M1 Carbine. Fantastic rifle
>>18119031Yeah I got a couple sticks.
>>18119031No unfortunately they don't ship here. I am currently converting a stock katana by ripping off the hilt and scabbard
Trianon was justice well served.
>>18119190>Hungarian-occupied Southern ItalyGod, I wish.Reformed steppeniggers >>>>>>>>> TeroniPlease Hungary, do it again!
>>18119190Fucking achaea?
>>18119315It was never occupied, just plundered once. And using the term Hungary here is misleading, many of these territories were just feudal holdings of various kings of Hungary. Like Southern Italy is only there because once the Italian branch of the Anjous became kings of Hungary, and once a conflict boke out in Italy, the king lead his Hungarian vassals to fight there.
you have killed God and now you must suffer
>>18118460Cool non-argument. Why are you afraid of work?
>>18113838gtfo molochite demon delenda est
>>18113892you don't have palliative care in your shithole?
>>18113936*fewer
Imagine believing that being dead improves your lot in life. What a bunch of cattle-brained fucking retards!>>18115253Idiocy deserves no recognition. They could kill themseves anyway, but NO, the dumb, lazy coward wants muh self-determination as a SERVICE OF CONVENIENCE.
>Is right in every prediction despite being barely empirical in his analysis of history how did he do it?
>>18108434underrated
>>18114358Its not really atheistic as much as it secular and materialistic. The question of God actually existing is different from the modus operandi of humans regarding God and various spiritual elements.>>18114110It exposes atheism as a fraudulent pseudo-religion drawing profoundly robust parallels between atheism and fanatical primitive religiosity.
>>18116714I'll sin of pedantry here but I'm going back to your quote >"the Ancient Hebrews ... ???"While all of these are related to the Magian culture in some way. Spengler does not class them all equally; the Hebrews and Achaemenid Persia as well as half of the Parthian reign aand the diadochi belong to the pre-cultural stage (that is, the stage previous to the Magians as such, their period of gestation). Secondly, you are conflating states (eastern Rome, Western Rome [Should be noted that from Diocletian onward Spengler considered the Roman empire a state of Magian make inhabiting the ossified remains of a classical Polis], Sassanids) and peoples (Nestorians, Gnostics/Early Christians, Islam). When these are not equivalent. What he does lump together are the following religions: Judaism, Christianity (all branches including the Gnostic heresies), Zoroastrianism, and Greco-roman syncretic paganism, belatedly Islam, among many others. And he does this because the evidence led him to believe they were all united in their underlying substance. Iit cannot be denied all of these religions are deeply tied together. And you won't get anyone even mildly interested in the field to deny Zoroastrianism, judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all linked to eachother. Late Hellenic Paganism would be a harder sell, but I think Spengler argues it well.>That whole scheme never made any real sense and Spengler does not describe religion accurately, how religions spread socially, or religious feeling at allCan you please explain why and how he describes religion inaccurately? >In contrast to "Magian" I ... crossroads of the ancient world.Goes to show Spengler was at least somewhat succesful in his endeavour.>>18118034Strangely enough Spengler threads on /lit/ tend to be dogshit. Maybe it's because there they can pretend to read the book and the locals here couldn't fake literacy if their life depended on it.1/?
>>18116714>is the pre-cursor of MagianIirc, he does so to mean chronological precursor.>his description of Magian civilization never made any sense to me.Bizarrely it is what got me into seriously reading Spengler. But I do grant that Magian culture is much more abstract than most.>>18116791>namely that cultures can't influence each other.Sure they can. Spengler admits to this. Pseudomorphosis is specifically the inhibiting of a young culture by an older one. New spirits in old forms. If what you take issue with is the idea that Culture A cannot change Culture B's inward substance then you should just say you disagree with his whole project and proposed frame.>He clung to this silly idea for reasons unbeknownst to me, although I have my suspicions. Because it was integral to everything he was proposing? You seem to be attempting to chimerize regular linear history with Spengler's Morphology. >overwhelmingly tedious chunkI really enjoyed that part.>>18119182Fair on the secular part, materialistic I do not think so. Though it is pretty uninformed to speak of 'Atheism' as if it was a movement. And in his time Atheism was hardly perceived as one (Atheism by itself, not bundled up with Communism, free-thought, etc.). It was mostly thought of as a singular position and not a movement, before newspapers, the internet, and a troupe of british bunglers memed it into one.>drawing profoundly robust parallels between atheism and fanatical primitive religiosity.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>18116898> doe not have clearly defined border and that unlike classical civilization it has omnipotent creator God.Are you implying that Spengler said the apollonians had not concept of borders? I don't know if I'm understanding you.>Magian is explictly contrasted to the West as stressing the "will-less resignation" as its prime symbol .Iirc the one opposed as willess to the overpowering will of the west would be the Greeks. But they are cast as unambigously tragic in decline, that is true.>The tragedy of the Magian tree being cut down in its maturity is resolved only with Islam. I mean that is the opposite of what happened according to him, though. I'm sorry if I keep misunderstanding you.>So by historical happenstance you have two civilizations that are co-current and contrasted to one another leading to a Huntingtonian clash in middle ages and then modernity.They aren't too concurrent, by the time the West emerges as a culture the Magians are roughly on the same place the west will be in the years 1900-1950. And while there is a clash, the advanced age of Magian Culture made it so it had a much lesser effect on them than it did to the west. I personally would go as far as to allege that the Faustian fixation upon the Muslim/Magian east is almost entirely one sided. With the westerners believing themselves to be much more important in the islamic imagination than they actually are.>This in turn puts the pressure on the Magians (in this case Islam) to answer against the West with an "apocalyptic time" eschatology,I don't understand what you mean by this, can you please elaborate?>it breaks free from Greco-Roman civilization and then from Western/Faustian.It is impossible for them to break free from Western culture (in Spenglerian terms, god forbid I take something for granted) because they were never subjected to it. To them, westerners are petulant children. The Civilized mind can no longer be cowed, especially not by some smelly barbarians!
Continuing this thread: >>18094530I want to pick up from this comment:> Jesus' stepmother/ally Glaphyra was a lunar princess descended from the shrines at Comana, a place that Caesar himself also visited. Her descendants is why Armenia turned christian immediately, as she was the widow of the Hasmonean heir that the Herods had psyopped into becoming their own claim.> The Armenian church = Priesthood of Comana through Glaphyra, that acknowledged John the Baptist as new high priest, followed by Jesus as opposed to the Herod-collaborating Pharisees.> Juba II through his concurrent marriage with Glaphyra and Cleopatra Selene II used his authority as the senior male of the southern mediterranean to assign John the Baptist as new high priest (while still in the womb) of his new wife Glaphyra's oppositional reinstation of Israel against the Herods.> Picrel is Lucas' nod towards Juba II having Glaphyra, Cleopatra Selene II as well as Augustus' close family females as allies and scholarly pupils.> "Ahsoka" is technically one of these alter ego clones, as she is based on Cleopatra Selene II.> George swapped the age-difference between Juba II and Glaphyra though, to avoid Anakin having two loli brides, and instead having one of each to properly portray his moral neutrality and not some sexlord pedo.
>>18119151>DyteutusAnother reason I find this name interesting is that it reminds me of Dositheos.Dy = twoDosi = twoTeutus is sort of like TheosMaybe a massive stretch, but mentioning it anyway.
>ChryseChryse, Golden-One.XRÜSA Geography/Culture: Greek: Hellenic, from the Bosphorus.Linguistic Note: Greek from chi-rho-upsilon-sigma-epsilon-omega-nu, (Khruseon, or Chryseon), 1. golden, of gold, decked or inlaid with gold. 2. gold-coloured, golden-yellow. 3. metaphorically, golden. Related English words: chrysalis (from Greek chi-rho-upsilon plus -sigma-alpha-lambda-lambda-iota-sigma, (khru-sallis, or chry-sallis), the golden pupa of a butterfly; chrysanthemum (from Greek chi-rho-upsilon-sigma-alpha-nu-theta-mu-omicron-nu, (khrusanthemon), gold flower); chrysarobin (a medicine used to treat skin conditions); chrysolite (from Greek chi-rho-upsilon-sigma-omicron plus -lambda-iota-theta-omicron-sigma, (khruso-lithos), gold-stone).Description: Obscure archaic virgin and warlike Goddess of the metal gold, its refinement, and all that regarded as having great value or goodness; perhaps Eponym of the place Chryse; Matroness of all master-craftspeople, and especially of gold-smiths; perhaps Eponym of the place Chryse (near Troy).In Her mortalized form She came to stand for tender-hearted faithlessness. http://www.holladaypaganism.com/goddesses/cyclopedia/c/CHRYSE.HTMI know there's also this idea that "christ oil" is something else, like alligator oil or even bee's honey, which you symbolically anoint your king with. That may be true, but the name itself could derive from the color.
>>18119285Also, it seems like a perfect description of the "Golden Fleece". The Chryse. The Holy Grail. The Sang Real.I think all of this relates to the rites of Medea, like Ammon Hillman describes.In other words, whoever is priest-king of Comana might be considered the "Jason", if he watches over the Chryse, being the golden fleece.
>>18118340>>In Judaism, Melech Malchei HaMelachim ("the King of Kings of Kings") came to be used as a name of God. "King of Kings" (Ancient Greek: βασιλεὺς τῶν βασιλευόντων, romanized: basileùs ton basileuónton) is also used in reference to Jesus Christ several times in the Bible, notably in the First Epistle to Timothy and twice in the Book of Revelation. >>This is a bit of a detour, but I had suggested that this "king of kings" concept is more important than western historians let on.>>Basileus reminded me of something I read a long time ago about early English rulers.>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belinus>>Belinus was a legendary king of the Britons, as recounted by Geoffrey of Monmouth. He was the son of Dunvallo Molmutius and brother of Brennius and came to power in 390 BC. He was probably named after the ancient god Belenus.Just remembered something to add to this:>Apollonius was also a well-known figure in the Islamic world, being referred to by the name Balinus.
>>18119288More Chryse:>In Greek mythology, Chryses (/ˈkraJsiːz/; Greek, Χρύσης Khrýsēs, meaning "golden") was a Trojan priest of Apollo at Chryse, near the city of Troy. >According to a tradition mentioned by Eustathius of Thessalonica, Chryses and Briseus (father of Briseis) were brothers, sons of a man named Ardys (otherwise unknown). So, the priest-king of Comana Chryse was the personified Chryse, the son of Men (the male moon god), and also known as Apollonius in his many travels as a result.
When I had a girlfriend I liked to LARP in my head that I was an ancient warlord raping her. Is this weird? Anyone else do this? Who else likes to LARP by pretending to be historical people?
>>18119273This was only during sex btw so it wasn't weird
>>18119273Do you larp as Lenin raping children? Dude literally looked like a peado bro
>>18119273>had>>18119275it is past tense because you refused to pull through and actually dress up and train for the body
How do people deny the Holocaust when there are literally pictures of it happening?
>>18119300why g*rmans look like rats?
>>18119263>meanwhile in reality
>>18119278Your sentences are bigger apart than 6 year old nazi whore checks in berlin after Tajiks bulls finished with her
>>18119278>>18119280>>18119283>hygiene facilities for dead disposaldead due to being industrially murdered, then?>getting it.What am i getting? The people who weren't murdered had died of natural causes. This is how death works.>Bohemia and Moravia is the later czech state, not Poland.no shit retard, try rereading what i wrote.>So taking out Poland ie Warsaw was necessaryI don't think so it was but the third reich may have seen it differently.>willing to offer it anywayOffer it how, exactly? connecting the mainland to east prussia was his goal, no?>im supposed to show my face hereWhat are you some kind of faggot? Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>18119199Read about World War 2
Why is the confederacy venerated by tens of millions of people? As far as i can tell, people that lionize the csa are not even racist, they are boomercon conservatives who believe that the democrats are the real racists and israel's interests are above those of america. Why would anyone with this belief system like a short-lived state that was believed killing niggers was a right and jews are satanic.
>>18106700Yes Jeff Davis was a legit war hero. And yes Lincoln stayed home to play politics during that time.Lincoln's first speech recorded in the historical record was a speech in the Illinois statehouse where he is advocating to destroy the push for state banks and replace with a federal bank. People act like he was a big abolitionist but if you look at his career in politics his primary "baby" as a domestic policy was immigration and a national bank. Even in the war he pretty much focused on the war effort and stayed out of domestic policy- except for one topic aka national banking. And surely enough he had a heavy hand in forming and pushing the national banking acts and national currency acts which are the direct predecessor to the current federal reserve system.
>>18118934Im not sure why you replied this, is this supposed to be a rebuttal or you trying to prove my point?
>>18106700"When dissolution takes place, I do not say the slave will cut his master's throat, or burn his mansion-house. All I say is that he will probably try to do it, unless the master plants in his heart a motive not to do so; and until he does, " God speed the first insurrection in the Carolinas! " I have no love for insurrections, but 'Hands off!' is a good Saxon motto. Let the two races fight it out; and if the white man has no means of defence, by making the black man love him, then he will suffer for the misgovernment of two centuries."-Wendell Phillips (1/15/1857 at the MA Disunion Convention)
>>18115924The raggedy look is better, the white suits of Southern gentlemen, the rebel yell, the flag looks better, the Southern accent sounds better, and the "rebel" vibe is appealing
Take the Colonization-pill regarding the South>Force the abolition>Ship the negroes to Liberia/Middle America/the Caribbean>Slavery, and thus negroes do not spread all-over North America>Put an end to Southern gentlemen using their negresses as mulatto machines>More land to poor white Southernerns, USA and North America stay whiter, the cities stay more liveable for a longer time, no Jim Crow, no civil rights...>Everybody wins except the Southern plantation owners who love their pet negroes
Would the Nazi military have completely destroyed the Soviet Union without the aid of the U.S. via lend lease?Also, did Britain directly aid the Soviets before and during WW2?
>>18115214>Guy states a clearly pro-German opinion >Gets accused of being... Israeli?Schizos are losing their touch
>>18117390Germany was the most successful state in Europe or the Americas. It had supply problems like any other. It was never in a severe shortage of basic necessities
>>18117390UK blockade mattered a lot more in WW1 when America was notably more neutral + Germany didn't control Ukraine for food supplies.Germany being starved in WW1 was a big starter for Hitler's Lebensraum into the East
>>18118455>nooo the food and warm clothes are gomunismgeg, your rape was well deserved
>>18118868nazis plunder europe on a massive scale but most europe was pretty poor + huge coruption inside SS means that they didn't get much and thus got easily stomped flat by the Soviets once they step up their productions
