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>Christianity makes the world a more moral place.

That's weird because most Christians today openly preach that "Good people go to Hell. Saved people go to Heaven".
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>>18348271
>most Christians today openly preach that "Good people go to Hell. Saved people go to Heaven".
[citation needed]
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>>18348271
Christianity is the religion of Satan. It is the religion of the fourth kingdom of the statue of Daniel which began in Rome and will end in the US.

Christians teach things that are 100% at odds with the instructions of God.
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>>18348335
Why doe fuck do both Christians and and Anti-Christians sound equally insane nowadays?

Which do you guys think is the right religion and as well how many gods do you think are there?

For me personally I believe there is only one, I like the monotheistic concept. I don't believe a god like Jupiter would be all mighty but then he shares his power with other lesser gods.

But I am not that confident that the one true god is like the christian one, where the devil does some mischievous actions and lures you out of gods magic love and power i find that its basically two gods.
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>>18347927
>most
But not all.
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After a deep research on so many religions i think there is no right religion. Religion is made to control society. It's a harsh truth but it is true.
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>>18345948
>Which do you guys think is the right religion
Christianity. However "the right religion" makes most people think of it as "the right answer". Instead, I think it's more useful to think of it as "the right tool".
>how many gods do you think are there?
No idea. But there is only one truly deserving of the title - the God.
>where the devil does some mischievous actions and lures you out of gods magic love and power i find that its basically two gods.
Not to pull a Peterson on you, but it depends on what you mean by god. If to you, gods are just powerful spiritual beings (which is a historically defensible usage) then yes, there are countless gods and even some humans or previously-human entities could be called that. But if the title god is reserved for the true owner, true master of all, then there is only one. And he saw it fit to tolerate sinners and the devil for as long as he does.

>>18345957
Half the gnostic cults we know of have a hefty mythology that exceeds Christianity in its dramatic complexity. You can recreate broad stroke gnostic sentiments from observing nature in particular ways, but then again, so you can with monotheistic sentiments.
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>>18345953
very true sirs
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advaita. spinoza’s god if you don’t like that

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The conception of “sin” is incompatible with true free will. If you are sent to hell for literally anything at all, then no you don’t have free will if God is opposed to anything you do.
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>>18348267
Even the righteous don't deserve heaven, the pleasures of heaven are sacred and a million times more pleasurable than the pleasures of earth.

God is already bending over backwards to justify the few who will get in, it's already really hard even for the ones he saved to be saved, and those who were saved went though hell on earth being tested by satans and refined in suffering and humiliation to be made pure and free of guilt.
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>>18348313
Victims who do not believe Jesus of Nazareth is God roast in hell forever. Meanwhile, Christian murderers are forgiven.
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>>18348280
No, that is not what it depends on. Faith is not mere assensus, saving faith consists of notitia, assensus and fiducia. If you only assent, even the demons believe, and tremble.
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>>18348330
Do you sin? If the answer is yes and if you will go to heaven, those sins will have had no impact on your final destination.
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>>18348329
You think you are better than them? You think they merit hellfire, and you don’t? I tell you one murderer who repents is worth infinitely more than a million proud men. The saint does not look at his fellow man and say, “this one is so bad, I’m not like him”, the saint says “I am the chief of sinners”. Each and every man merits eternity under the wrath of God for his evil deeds, if God were the one to mark iniquities none would stand. But no matter the sins of the believer he will stand at God’s side not because he was righteous (for none are) but because Jesus was righteous in his place.
>>18348333
You don’t understand what I’m saying if you think this contradicts me. The sins had an impact insofar as my Savior was crucified for them, but I am not saved because of my own faith, nor is my own faith to any degree taken into account in the judgement of God, but He gives me a verdict of acquittal only because of the gratuitous imputation of the righteousness of Christ which is apprehended by faith alone.

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If you disagree with him you are going to hell, by the way.
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>>18348196
I accept your concession. Read the Bible cover to cover before discussing it next and you'll embarrass yourself less.
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>>18348192
Those are word to word tho
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>>18348180
Abraham was going to sacrifice his son because he had faith in God, it was the fact that he obeyed God that showed he had faith. All who have faith in God will do what he says, because if someone does not doe what God says how can he claim to have faith in him?
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>>18348190
A man could pull up some verse in some holy book that says he has the God-given right to rape your daughter

It doesn't make it ethically right
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>>18348281
It makes it right because nobody forced you to be wicked for 600 years in a row.

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Is this reality false and made by something that isn't God but thinks he is God? Can we come to know the Good? If we can know about God through the Bible, does that mean the Bible is more real than our own world? Or was the Bible written by an entity that is not God? If material reality is fake, then what are we? Souls floating in the aether flux?
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>>18347704
Firstly, I would say it's basically beyond question that we can know the Good. Unless you've had an especially confused and traumatic life, I don't know how you could doubt that. That isn't to say knowing the Good necessarily comes easy, especially in modernity, but if one commits to it then it's certainly attainable.

It isn't that material reality is fake, just that it's only a very shallow and outermost reflection of reality-in-itself. We perceive material reality the way we do because of the limitations of our senses.

The question, therefore, is why are we limited to such a narrow perceptual field? I don't have a satisfactory answer, but I'm open to both naturalistic explanations (evolution, etc) and more speculative theories, meddling from higher orders, etc.

But regardless, as long as we have the capacity to know the Good, which we do, all is not lost.
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>>18348141
>uses hebraic cult language
holy shit
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To whatever validity Gnosticism has, it is rather convenient all sides misrepresent it and also at the same time condemn it. As to why, well no side seems to wish to clarify. Makes all sides untrustworthy to me. Why should I put faith in any that did not seek to put an end to injustice immediately when it first emerged? Speaks to a lack of any and all spirit and deity, and to the material too in kind.
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>>18348003
If it is useful to me in some way, it is good. I would even argue that in an abstract sense that what is good is what is useful. Useful can even mean entertaining or pleasing. Bad describes all those things which are useless and displeasing. So, being a good citizen is different from being a good ruler, for example. I think Socrates' definition of arete is probably the best example of this way of thinking.
>>18348312
Not really. It just means that you believe human justice is cosmic justice. We seem to have pretty clear laws of nature. If humans want to live and live well, then they have to learn and follow these laws, and to cooperate with one another. It doesn't fix the problem of natural evil, but I do not really see the issue here.
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>>18347708
We are evil because, because a book says!

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Why do catholics and orthodox have such a problem with female priests?
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>>18346523
Apparently, the apostles being all men is enough for them to decide that Jesus didn't want any woman close to priesthood. Also I've heard from them that God made us different and men are made to be priest while women belong in the kitchen and raising kids.
I wonder if the first female Catholic priest wokeism is going to happen within my lifetime. So far Francis and now Leo were very adamantly against it so it so feels like there's more than a century to go, but I would like to see the meltdown.
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>>18348299
>Apparently, the apostles being all men is enough for them to decide that Jesus didn't want any woman close to priesthood
That and verses from the bible (i.e the word of God) explicitly calling for women to stay quiet at church, yeah.
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>>18348299
>So far Francis and now Leo were very adamantly against it
Lol no, they’re just gradually turning Rome into a woke LGBT church. If they did it too quick they’d cut off the cash flow from conservatives
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Mary Magdalene is depicted as Jesus's closest disciple who uniquely understood his teachings, causing tension with Peter, and is honoured as the "apostle to the apostles".
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>>18348318
>is honoured as the "apostle to the apostles".
Referencing her announcing the Resurrection to the apostles. Meanwhile she was not one of the 12 sent to spread the gospel. You have to be working your way backwards to misrepresent details in order to conclude that this permitted female clergy. Which, of course, you are.

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Also no pedo accusation
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>>18346563
Just a quick fact correction to my own post, Geli Raubal was actually 23 by the time she died. I double checked info to be sure I had it right.

And Hitler was very strict about her not having a boyfriend and not dating and usually had someone there supervising her after catching her with his driver.
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>>18346520
It should be noted that ALL the original stories of the Hitler's deviancy came from Eva Braun's sister. Supposedly Eva would gossip to her sister about the freaky things Hitler enjoyed.

It's all third hand hearsay.
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>>18346315
The husband, the devoted father, the wine connoisseur, and three time ballroom dancing champion.
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>>18346581
That is a reliable source.
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>>18346315
>>18346493
>>18346520
>>18346613
>>18346567
>>18346563
He was:
>a vegan with constantly upset stomach, probably shit himself very often
>had a Jewish doctor that gave him literal drugs, so he was high most of the time, like a hippie bitch
>loved animals more than humans
>drove his niece to suicide with his pedophilia and familyfucking
>a literal ARTHOE
>mentally unstable, histornic and easily depressed

If it was normal back then, he would become a tranny 100%.

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Why is the history of this sea so obscure and unheralded compared to that of the nearby Black or Mediterranean basins?
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>>18347794
It's my favorite name of all the seas. I would love to visit Baku.
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>>18347794
Very kino map design made by god
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>>18347977
I would like to go Fishing in Baku
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>>18347794
Because Tartaria would have to be mentioned
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>>18347794
I always wondered why on older maps Caspian sea look different and of course, there is russian fringe theory for this

First post here.
I'm interested in engaging with those familiar with the critical scholarship on early Islamic history, particularly regarding the formation of what later became the “official” narrative (Sunna, biography of Muhammad, early historiography).

>Popular works include:

-Patricia Crone – Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World
-Édouard-M Gallez – The messiah and his prophet
-Dan Gibson – Quranic Geography

I'd like to open a serious discussion on themes such as:

>Geographical and historical inconsistencies in early sources
>analysis of key terms and proper names in the Qur’anic corpus and early Islamic tradition
>The relationship between emerging Islam and contemporaneous religious & political contexts
>The processes through which early narratives may have been constructed & transmitted

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>>18347910
>Nazarene jews and their Quraysh allies depart from Syria to join with the Jewish-persian force to take Jerusalem
Again, that was the persians. Muslims/Qurayshi weren't even involved in the 614 war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_revolt_against_Heraclius
How would the jews have even recruited "arab" allies to take jerusalem in the first place? Why would they retreat from Syria to Medina, a town like a thousand miles to the south? WHO were these supposed jews in Umar's army? Commanders would have names. And when was Umar ever in Syria?

And are you still claiming that Al-Aqsa is the Third Temple? Your nazarene hypothesis makes no sense.

>>18347932
>This is why you see people and animals on the Ummayad murals, because Islam as we know it was not fully structured. It is to be put in relation with the iconoclast conflict in the eastern christian world (the ban on icons)
Bollocks.
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>>18347910
>But then when the Kaaba was founded you had several qiblas
When was that?
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>>18347594
>Who is 'we' and where can I read about this?
It's not like I put a link to a video portraying almost everybody involved or anything...
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>>18347778
thats the best you got? wow you brown “people” really are retarded.
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>>18348291
>no argument
I accept your consnession

Southern europeans must understand that germanics are inherently our biological enemies. There's no possible friendship, let alone alliance with them, we are too radically different. Unfortunately most meds are navie and well intended and don't see how much germanics hate them and resent them. If you look into the germanic nationalist groups they are far more obsessed with meds (and occasionally with slavs, especially in germany) that they are with non europeans.

>>>/pol/528519740
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>>18346977
Dubs of truthnuke
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It's funny to me how Europeans can hate people who are so nearby not only genetically but physically. It would be like a guy from Wisconsin having a deathwish against someone from Missouri. That's the distances we're dealing with here.
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shalom
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>>18347361
Wisconsin and Missouri were empty when Europeans were honing their martial skills against the neighboring tribe from two hills over. Also, the genetic distance between Whites from Wisconsin and Missouri is less than it is between many European peoples who live within javelin distance of each other.
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TGD now

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the British killed many Indians
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>>18348276
>The country collapsed into a african warload style failed state in record time.

Not even remotely close. Now I know you're trolling. India has its issue but it's not to the level of Sudan.
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>>18348278
Well true, but its because indians dont have the masculinity to actually fight like a savage african. they scream
"BLOODY BASTERD BITCH" and honor rape eachothers children but theres little full scale warfare going on. Their izzat scam warfare is just a cultural race to the bottom for them. They will be sucking dung out of cows asses till the sun burns out.
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>>18348148
That sounds highly trustworthy
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>>18348148
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>>18348266
Took all their toilets too!!! Bharatians invented the toilets but jealous mleccha G*ras took them!!! #ShameOnTheBritishers
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>>18348149
>Never happened but it should have
/thread

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Why did Sargon of Akkad do that?

The Holocaust does not excuse the Nakba. No crime can ever be used to justify another crime.

It is not necessary to deny the Holocaust in order to point out Israeli guilt for the Nakba and the subsequent expulsion and murder of Palestinian people. In fact, it is not even necessary to excuse, much less glorify the cause of the PLO or Hamas in order to point out Israeli wrongdoing. One simply needs to say "Expulsion is wrong and so is murder". Yes, one can say the Nazis were wrong, but one can also say Israelis are wrong in their deeds. The erasure of Palestinians from their homeland has been going on since the beginning of Jewish in British mandate in Palestine, so it has become a historical event, as well as an ongoing process. If one can debate the ethics of the Holocaust in a historical context, one can debate the ethics of the 1948 Nakba in a historical context too, and it is simple to say that the forceful displacement of people is wrong regardless of their ethnicity and regardless of their individual identities.

There is no need for ethical debates full of exceptions and "what-about" questions, for universalist duty-based ethics trump above all else.
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>>18348088
>it is simple to say that the forceful displacement of people is wrong regardless of their ethnicity and regardless of their individual identities.
Displacement is based actually. God bless the Indian Removal Act.
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>>18348135
>it's not their homeland
>>18348210
>and even if it was, it's based anyway
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>>18348218
I'm not that first anon. I'm only saying it very clearly - displacement is based.
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>>18348185
The State of Israel? Not really. Zionists online and in political discourse IRL? Very often.
>>18348210
Whether or not something is based does not affect whether or not it is morally wrong.
>>18348203
Population exchanges are still a form of forceful population displacement. Removing Poles from East Galicia and resettling them in East Prussia was wrong. Forcefully mixing up the populations of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and other Central Asian SSRs was wrong. Resettling East Thracian Turks in Anatolia was wrong.

People who live in one place and choose to remain there, in the absence of other legal claimants for the same plot of land, should not be forced to migrate against their will.
A man who has sold his house legally forfeits property of it, but the one who purchases it becomes its legal owner, so a Mexican who has legally purchased a house in Arizona or Illinois and has chosen to make his home there should not be forced to move "back" to Mexico.
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>>18348135
>Albanian
>in Palestine
schlomo are you drunk?

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Eisenhower considered dropping out of the war and divorcing his wife so he could marry this


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