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Why do atheists worship science?
Why do Christians worship a Jew?
>>18268633This is my first post of the new year, schizo.
>>18268634Is God a Jew?
>>18268680According to Christians, yes.
>>18268626Yeah dude totally, sure.
Why can't Catholics grasp this?
>>18268668Americanism is deist.
>>18268668Nice try FBI.
>>18268673Anything that is not God.
>>18268672I take catholics with pagan elements over judaizing protestants. I'm no christian and consider christianity to be jewish.
>>18268674How about this? Is this an idol?
The 1980s really were heaven on Earth
>>18267968no one cares, Tulsa Tranny
>>18267682>anyone who doesn't like child rapists is /pol/big if true
>>1826792399% of rape accusations are false, and there you go again defending child rapists and advocating for shorter sentences for them
>>18256762This. Closest we got was COVID. :(
>>18267951this is the only based thing the netherlands has ever done
Wreck of the Russian submarine Kursk in dry dock. The submarine experienced a catastrophic explosion in the Barents Sea on August 12, 2000 during Russia's first major post-Soviet naval exercise and sank with a loss of all 118 crew members. It was six more hours before the Russian fleet realized they had lost a vessel and initiated a search operation. The submarine was located at a depth of 354 feet. Russian officials engaged in a considerable degree of misinformation and cover-ups in their reporting of the disaster and President Vladimir Putin, vacationing at his summer home in Sochi, did not take immediate action. The Russians also resisted help from nearby British and Norwegian vessels, but finally accepted their assistance.
>>18268622They were alive there for days too. Its not that everybody died from the explosion.
>>18268622The sub would probably also be badly deteriorated from laying in warm salt water for 14 months, that would cause rather rapid corrosion and decomposition of metal components. Cold Arctic water would slow that down significantly.
>>18268369>needing HATO member cunts to dredge up your subGod that's terrible and cucked.
>>18268649They could've done that when the crew was still alive, or rescued them via other methods. There are sub rescue ships you know. But Putin waited 'til they all had suffocated. Then gave the widows a medal.
>>18268675could be worse. in the Soviet era they would just tell the relatives of the dead that they died in a skiing accident.
>"life does not come from non-life">is composed of non-life
>>18268613if you could perfectly add everything back in the exact amount in the exact locations, yes
>>18268623So what is the difference between a dead body that has everything a living body would have, and a living body?
>>18268629a "dead body that literally has everything a living body has", is literally the same thing as and would be called a living body
>>18268639So there is no difference between a dead body and a living body?
>>18268663in the case of your iq, no, it would be the same either way.
How do pagans and neo-pagans answer the problem of the triumph of Abrahamic religions over paganism?Option 1: The pagans were defeated because their gods don't exist.Option 2: The pagans were defeated because the Abrahamic God is more powerful than the pagan gods.Option 3: The pagans were defeated even though their gods were real and could have helped them but simply chose not to do so and they didn't care that their worshippers were being persecuted, slaughtered and forcibly converted to serve another God, their temples were being destroyed and/or reconverted to temples for the Abrahamic God, their oracles were silenced and their myths suppressed.I see no way in which the pagans end up looking good. Thoughts?
Big Church is a shitshow these days, meanwhile every single homo sapiens secretly practices paganism in his heart. Hard to interpret this as a "triumph" unless you are viewing world history through the lens of one of those strategy 4x videogames, or as a racial mythology or some krank gripe or similar desperate boomerbrain dementia.
>>18268549>Do you not realize most polytheists think their gods are different aspects of the same beings?And? Did any of them believe in the Abrahamic God?>>18268560>There is the possibility of deist presupposition/buddhist presupposition/several other presuppositions.The Pagan Trilemma rests specifically in Pagan presuppositions.>You just don't want to be called out for your christian bullshit.I'm agnostic.
>>18268575>Did any of them believe in the Abrahamic GodYahweh was equated with Dionysus/Bacchus via Interpretatio graeca
>>18268374I thought muslims were moon pagans according to christians. And jews worship moloch which means moloch rules the world now, not jesus
>>18268670Homie I do not follow the ramblings of crazy christians going on about Moloch worship in the year 2025. That's literally all just blood libel stuff they've been recycling for decades
Your "based and tradpilled" pre-industrial dinner is ready :)
>>18267704>hunt animal>whoops, animal belongs to the king or local landlord>your hand is hacked off with a rusty axe and nailed up in the village square as a warning to everyone else>if you try it again, you get hanged
>>18267646felipe minha sogra fez aqui também sopa de rato uma delícia...
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>>18268627>he doesn't hunt at night
>>18267814>>18267832Obsessed
All pagans welcome. This is a place to discuss Greek mythology, the historical Greco-Roman religion, pagan philosophy, etc.“Greek mythology has had an extensive influence on the culture, arts, and literature of Western civilization and remains part of Western heritage and language. Poets and artists from ancient times to the present have derived inspiration from Greek mythology and have discovered contemporary significance and relevance in the themes.”The Iliad: https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0134The Odyssey: https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0136The Homeric Hymns: https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/collection?collection=Perseus%3Acorpus%3Aperseus%2Cauthor%2CHomeric%20HymnsTheogony: https://www.theoi.com/Text/HesiodTheogony.htmlWorks and Days: https://www.theoi.com/Text/HesiodWorksDays.htmlThe Orphic Hymns: https://www.theoi.com/Text/OrphicHymns1.htmlTimaeus: https://classics.mit.edu/Plato/timaeus.htmlArgonautica: https://classics.mit.edu/Apollonius/argon.htmlBibliotheca: https://www.theoi.com/Text/Apollodorus1.htmlGreek Magical Papyri: https://ia801300.us.archive.org/19/items/TheGreekMagicalPapyriInTranslation/The_Greek_Magical_Papyri_in_Translation.pdfDe Natura Deorum: https://topostext.org/work.php?work_id=137Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>nooooo! You cant just smoke weed, make napkins out of peoples skins and wear silly smurf hats! BARBARIOS!!!
Are you free to study history in your country?
People 100% get charged for holocaust denial in the UK. LOTS of them
>>18268384Based. Bully the chuds.
>>182674991st amendment, but the US government just privatizes censorship like it does everything else.
>>18267511Yeah, it's shitskins like (you).
>>18268384Such as? Name 5.
Forget WW1 Germany, I have a real challenge for you /his/.Is there any way Japan could have won WWII? Starting in 1937, you can take whatever strategy and approach you wish, including going the Siberia route and disregarding SEA.
>>18266586I’m not entirely sure what the fuck Japan’s goal in WWII even was anyways. Had they withdrawn to Manchukuo they’d have their buffer state against the Soviets and be a superpower today
>>18267707It's the same goal as they had during invasion of Korea. Secure resources needed for possible future total war. It's just that between Japanese takeover of Korea and WW2 certain resources became much more important - oil, rubber and bauxite most notably.
>>18266586Much like Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union, any invasion of China is going to be a nightmare in terms of logistics, and a near impossibility when you've got a restive population exponentially larger than yours.The only way Japan is "winning" WWII is if it somehow stops at Manchuria and joins the Allies. They could have used Barbarossa as a means to exit the Tripartite pact, but I don't see how it could accomplish much beyond that.>>18267256>they could conquer most of the economically viable areas of the country and just loot and burn them to the ground, preferably right before the harvests so the first thing Chinese experience in their "liberated" country is famine. Guess how well the Three Alls policy worked out for them.
>>18266586Don’t led into French Indochina embargo? Okay.
>>18266586Don't attack Pearl Harbor or Philippines, but do everything else the same. Sure, America will get mad that you seized the East Indies, but you have the resources of all of Asia to prepare for some future Pacific War when the US finally comes to fight you over China
Why didn’t the schlieffen plan work in WWI?It was essentially fullproof but when put to practice didn’t work as well.What could the Germans of done to have made it work?Was von Moltke the problem?
>>18264699>From 1910-40 with a brief interruption in the 20s Germany did not have a viable export economy because it was gearing up a military.What the fuck are you blabbering about. In 1910 Germany had world renown machine tool building, chemical and steel industries that exported goods to its neighbors. One of the arguments used against war falling out was that 'Germany wouldn't dare invade its main trade partners, it doesn't make sense!'. In the 30's there was this little thing called the Great Depression, have you heard of it? It caused everyone to hike up their tariffs and made an export based economy completely unviable (see Japan). In conclusion, shut your stupid whore mouth.
>>18263883>>18264015>you get into a fight with someone>their friend hands them a gunThey are no longer a neutral party.Why are kikes unable to understand this? If you trade with one side but not with another, you are not a neutral party.>BUT MUH FORMALITIEScope, no one accepts this moral framework, they didnt then and they definitely do not today in the age of Trump and Putin.
>>18263569no one said this, however to say that Germany must lose because fate is retarded and makes me think youre a fatalistic slav.Germany defeated Russia against all odds, France somehow managed to lose WWII despite having a vastly larger armored force and airforce, and navy, and the defensive advantage.Germany in the 1700s defeated three Empires in rapid succession in head on battles.A tiny little pseudo country of 300,000 people defeated a nation of tens of millions.There's no such thing as historical determinism perse.
>>18264129>>18264206Why did no one inform the Entente their victory was inevitable? Why was their morale so low, their struggle so toilsome, and their advances so costly?I thought they had already won because Germany had zero soldiers on the frontline by 1917?
>>18261241>By 1914 Bethmann-Hollweg was deeply unpopular in Germany. He became convinced that only a successful war could divert opposition to his economic policies. He hoped and expected a short, limited war. He encouraged Austro-Hungarian aggression under Conrad von Hötzendorf guided after the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. Bethmann-Hollweg changed his mind after it became clear that it might escalate into a world war. However, he lacked the political authority to halt the Schlieffen Plan.>Also Conrad’s Italian offensive of 1916 also came close to success, but troop withdrawals to the threatened Russian front again cost him victory.
so let me get this straightwe have>mycenaean samples>doric samples>macedonian tomb samples>ionian Hellenistic samples>anatolian samples from late antiquity>italic IA samples>imperial roman samples>etruscan samples >sicily IA samples>bulgaro-thracian IA samplesand all of them cluster close to modern populations from Italy and GreeceComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>18267842Because demographics is destiny plus geographic luck. Northern Europeans were stupid low iq barbarians that only amounted to anything after they took over the trade routes with the new world and Asia plus had the demographic edge thanks to four crop rotation and a land of arable land compared to the constrained south. Before 1600 Northern Europeans invented barely anything that wasn’t copied or stolen.
>>18267842Industrial revolution and America. Before the 15th century Italy was still the richest place in Europe, maybe on Earth.
>>18267842Aren't modern Greeks like 30% Slav?
>>18267842Greek here.Looking at our history from the Achaians to today I'd say we were always subhuman leeches.Our people were always backstabbing eachother and looking only for themselves since time immemorial.Most of the stuff we came up with could've been made anywhere, we just happened to be first.And keep in mind that most of our inventors, philosophers and other big historic figures were basically nobles with a lot of free time, because they had slaves do all the dumb labour for them. Socrates, Archimedes etc. were basically the cream of the crop.So it's not that we became worse as time passed, it's that we just haven't changed that much, which arguably is even worse.
>>18268631cucked
I seriously cannot wrap my brain around the Reformed/Calvinist understanding of the sacraments. It's really confusing for me. Like Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Baptist, mostly have straightforward views about what they think happens in Christian ritual. But like how do you not hold to baptismal regeneration and yet still think baptism is a sacrament/means of grace that washes away sin? Wtf does it even mean that Christ is "spiritually present" in communion? Like how does that even work? Idgi...
>>18267945Bread and wine are two examples of things made possible by the Spirit, manifestations of the Spirit. You're supposed to be grateful for the things made possible by the Spirit, treat such things with their proper respect and understanding about from whence such things are made possible. As for baptism, it is either the forcible causing of one to recognize the authority of the body of Chris or the willing joining of it by the same means. In either case, once recognition is made the individual is presumed to have received the revelation and their past transgressions against God are not held against them for future judgement.
>>18267945Presbys are just baptists on sacramentology but want to larp as trad so they throw in a bunch of word salad to hide the fact that baptism and communion do nothing. >NOOOO WE BELIEVE BAPTISM DOES SAVE....BUT THE EFFECT HAPPENS LATER IN LIFE DURING REGENERATION>NOOOO UNELECT BAPTIZED INFANTS ARE GRAFTED INTO THE VISIBLE COVENANT SO THATS SOMETHING! SEE SEE BAPTISM DOES SOMETHING! MUH SIGN AND SEAL!It's pretentious.
It becomes easier to understand once you realize they are semi-gnostics.
Now that the dust has settled, can we admit his strategic "contributions" were so bad as to be almost on a level with Churchill? His whole vision for winning the war comes off as unfocused, getting sidetracked with minor targets and political goals instead of appointing the right men to just strike at the heart of the Confederacy. The contemporary perspective that he was a superior warlord to Jeff Davis is just plain wrong imo.
>>18268235I almost made the point that he single-handedly started the war, but I omitted it because I wanted to talk about strategy instead of making a Lincoln seethe thread. But it is the most major mark against him.
>>18268245Really weird to see his fans spin his campaigns against Lee as some brilliant affair. It's like trying to be an apologist for the Red Army in WWII when the most obvious conclusion is that yes he really did just brute force it and got a lot more men killed than necessary. But like Lincoln he has become a Saint in recent years and no one wants to admit his career after Vicksburg was a letdown.
>>18268321as he said, Grant was new to AOP and didn't know its generals well, and AOP also had an incredibly toxic culture thanks to McCuck's legacy that made it hard for them to be the efficient, instantly responsive instrument the Army of the Tennessee had been. they were slow, always defeatist, always psychologically intimidated by Lee.
>>18268235How was South Carolina's seccession from the Union a LARP? Are you suggesting that they would have just came back after negotiations or that it should have just been allowed to happen?
Jefferson Davis was 5x worse of a strategist.
