Will a carbon steel firing pin break or should it be ok? We had one break and are getting it recreated using a CNC milling machine, they are going to scan the dimensions of the pin perfectly and cut a new one out a block of metal. Just don’t want it to happen again$130 per pin he’s quoted me, and $80 for the scanning job. So $210 all up for one - or he said he will make x10 for $530 and waive the scan fee.Im thinking just get one to try it first and if it’s good I’ll get a few spares made up
>>64639706>O1 is basically what Win and others have used for the past 150 yearsI find that hard to believe, for one because O1 hasn't even really been around for 150 years, and also because it's just better suited for things like drill bits, not impact parts.And you can get 6" long, 3/8" diameter hardened 4140 rod from McMaster for ~$3 and not even have to worry about heat treating or deformation.
>>64640556You tried machining a pre-hard rod? Uniform hardness is also not a good thing for a firing pin.
>>64640573>Uniform hardness is also not a good thing for a firing pin.It doesn't really matter if its toughness is high enough.
>>64639701You'd need an optical comparator to get the scallop right, but it probably doesn't matter much>>64637617>>64637620A non heat treated firing pin will not last long at all. Mil spec calls out for 8640 with a salt bath heat, salt bath quench, and air cooling.You should look at a 17-4PH pin heat treated up to H900 (hold at 900°F for an hour, air cool), and that's going to get you RC ~45. You'll find rod stock on Mcmaster for cheap.You could go up in case hardness (HRC 55+) with nitriding, but it depends on your needs.
Holy fuck you are getting hosed. I've whipped out similar firing pins on the lathe in less than half an hour. Just use fucking tool steel like O1 and draw it back to blue (roughly 550 degrees F) after the oil quench.Is it that hard to find a competent gunsmith in your area? Their is absolutely no need for CNC on that firing pin, it's a stupidly basic thing to do on the lathe. And the scalloped section I would just take care of using hand files, the mill is too much work to set up for something that isn't that critical.That's less than a $100 job in my shop.
tactical implications?
Let me guess, you need more?
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>uberti 1873>ruger vaquero>taurus deputy>uberti 1875Which of these would be the best bang for buck to larp as a cowboy with a companion 1873 winchester in .45 colt? Im not looking for period accuracy or anything like that, obviously since im getting .45 colt and not .44-40 but whichever is the "best" out of them
>>64635096>uberti 1873I have this gun unlike the others; it emulates an original SAA quite nicely save for the firing pin retraction safety they put on it (I had it replaced with a regular hammer and trigger later on due to personal taste). Shoots well, looks good, takes about 50 (44/40) blackpowder cartridges before I need to cleanse it from the fouling. Be sure to keep an eye on the screws or apply some blue Loctite, because just like the originals, they'll back out in due time.>ruger vaqueroA beefed-up SAA which allows you to shoot hotter loads out of it, though instead of putting the hammer at half-cocked to free the cylinder, you instead open up the loading gate to free it (the cylinder makes no clicks and can be a little weird to reload due to it being more "slick"), and then there's the transfer bar. They have a great reputation and since you do not care for authenticity would make for a great choice.>taurus deputyDon't know much about it other than that it has a transfer bar like the Vaquero and Taurus has been doing better in recent years so perhaps give it a proper look later.>uberti 1875A similar story to the 1873, but with a different body I take it; it's a beauty.I would also recommend looking into Pietta's line since from what I've heard, they have better internals than a Uberti at the cost of not looking as good.
>>64637416>save for the firing pin retraction safety they put on itIIRC it's due to import laws
>>64639428I know but it still bothers me; luckily Taylor & Company had the regular hammer and trigger for sale.
>>64639428not exactly import laws, but liability. I think some dude shot himself through a holster by loading on a worn out gun, so the safety notch on the hammer was more of a suggestion, they got sued, so now Uberti only makes one 1873 with a proper 4 click action and a "non-safety" hammer, and that's the Cimarron Old Model line of guns, with the pre-1896 style bullseye ejector rod and front base pin screw. All Pietta guns are 4 click actions and lack any type of firing pin safety. I have one myself, and it's a nice gun to shoot, though I haven't had a chance to load BP .45 through it as nobody near me even sells substitute, let alone true BP.
>>64635096If those are your options, id recommend the vaquero. I have a lot of different single actions but I always pick the rugers to actually shoot. The old model vaquero is larger whereas the new model is a medium frame much closer to colts and italian repros. I have both but prefer the old model. The reason i suggest the vaquero is that it is simply tougher. You can shoot +p pissin hot loads out of the old model. The coil springs will last indefinately compared to leaf springs in the most other saa clones. I have broken two mainsprings in an uberti and a dakota but I havent broken a part on the ruger yet, fingers crossed. You can do what I did and get one with a 45 auto cylinder for cheap plinking too. Its cool to carry a 1911 magazine as a speed loader too.
Unpopular opinion on this board: (From a relative close distance)Ive tried one of those arrows here and it cutted straight through an European wooden door (meaning, heavier, massive, not made of cardboard). It got stuck because of the back part of the arrow Lets say from close distance:A single arrow of this kind is deathlier than a single bullet from the same distance honnestly. This blade cutts enough veins and its impact is horrific. If it hits an artery its done soon but even the veins, tissue, other shit it damages is quite sick if you ask me. It's dark here now otherwise I could show you the door with literally a vertical hole of that arrow through it. I think a bullet will be my choice if I have to choose between being hit by a single bullet or a single arrow of this kind
>>64638005>Those hollow points don't really work the same way, they're hollow for balanceHaha yeah totally, it's just a coincidence that they also have vastly superior terminal performance.>and 5.56's terminal performance is based on fragmentation from velocity anywayNot really.
>>64640837>not reallynigga what
>>64640976Fragmentation is a meme plebs and retards fall for. Projectiles moving that fast do NOT need to fragment to cause effective wounding. Fragmentation only limits penetration.
>>64641008It's been the subject of wuite a few studies on terminal performance and is the reason 5.56 was chosen. Also the cross section of a HPBT projectile like smk's don't lend themselves to expansion, it's a ballistic efficiency and weight distribution thing
>>64641032>and is the reason 5.56 was chosenNo it's not.>Also the cross section of a HPBT projectile like smk's don't lend themselves to expansionhaha yeah of course, they just do it anyway :)
Why don't we have double flame shotguns in real life?
What will this thing do that a $500 one won't?
>>64640913>Anon, the Ukrainian military uses the B&T APC45Really? They use them?Or did they order a handful and maybe an MP gets handed one from time to time?>the Vector in .45 sees use by police in Bangladesh and ThailandYeah and Malaysia uses the XM8, I'm not going to pretend that is an actual rifle with any relevance either.
>>64640925>Really? They use them?>Or did they order a handful and maybe an MP gets handed one from time to time?The Kraken unit loves using them suppressed. They were established in 2022 to do "direct action missions" behind enemy lines; stuff like recon and sabotage.
>>64640946ok, I take it back then. That's pretty cool
>>64638749Just get the MP5 dummy. Its really that simple. Best SMG. UMP was made to be cheap slop and thats what it is.
>>64640953The funny thing about SF units still using any SMGs (regardless of caliber) after 2009 is that it sort of proves that .300 BLK is sort of a meme. I shouldn't get into that discussion because it's worthy of it's own thread but .300 BLK has really not lived up to its niche.>>64641014>MP5It's a superior design in every way, but it's only made in 9mm nowadays (with a few 10mm ones in the used market after the FBI got rid of them). That's why guns like the Stribog are coming out.
I've got a serious strategy to beat China in WW3. Let's say we're trying to invade Shanghai: we'll humidify the fuck out of Shanghai's atmosphere with milk particles. Chinese people by-and-large are lactose intolerant, so all the Chinese soldiers will be forced to surrender due to shitting their pants or experiencing a tummy ache; meanwhile, the milk in the atmosphere will enhance the combat capabilities of western soldiers. It doesn't violate the Geneva Conventions because milk is technically not a chemical weapon, and it'd be humane too since it doesn't even cause any permanent injuries. We'll haul over all kinds of equipment and boatloads of milk to achieve it, and we could even "poison" Shanghai's water supply with milk, leaving the Chinese with zero ability to fight. There'd probably be mass desertions too since PLA soldiers would just ditch the trenches to get away from the smell of shit.I don't know if chemical weapons are within the scope of /k/, but what do you guys think? Should I try and lobby this idea to a think tank?
>>64629911Denmark number one, Denmark number one!Suck it, sweden!
>>64635910What a legend.
>>64629911>NigerNot where I would've guessed Wakanda was hidden.
>>64633260God I wanna fuck the sperg out of her
>>64637293Everything
Post gear, discuss gear.Camo chic: Operator modeOld: >>64611658
>>64640726I think you meant to reply to >>64640708
>>64640734I shouldn't have qualified it. My sun is better than everyone else's sun. Double checkmate!
>>64640746that might be true, but at least my sun was able to remove the smell from my surplus. unlike that other anon.
>>64640753It is hard to top that, frendolina.
>>64640606dude I got an FLC from ebay that smells like it marinated in a ten gallon spunk barrel for five years. It's like a cum crusted sock times a hundred. Just thought you should know.>>64640628I remember a guy who found a PASGT and a zylon Second Chance vest from ~2002 at a goodwill. The vest surprisingly was mostly-functional and did stop several pistol threats.
Handgun General #1698Beretta owner supremacy editionGuide: https://files.catbox.moe/9g5sv2.pdfPastebin: https://pastebin.com/gs6mLNikLast thread: >>64632443
>>64640174They're LARPing clearly.
>>64640927You might get better at shooting if you actually went to the range, rather than bragging about owning shitbox cars to strangers on the internet decades younger than you. I’m gonna be real, none of us give a shit what sort of “boomer wisdom” you think you’ve garnered in your fifty-odd years of consuming goyslop and talking down to your betters. This is a thread for handgun enthusiasts, not your personal blog.
With this... will I finally be happy?
>>64640766It actually looks pretty good for a home stipple job, just nowhere near as nice as a professional lasered one.
>>64641003It never ends
>sniiiiifffffffffffROLLER DELAYED BLOWFORWARD BELT FED 12 GAUGE
>>64640019That would actually be based, I hope Keltec reads this. I wouldn't even mind having to buy a different bolt for every brand of ammo.
AR15 in 30carbine with a 9-inch barrel would be cool
>snoooorrrrrfffFFFFFFLever action, open bolt, belt fed, caseless 40mm HEDP, integrally suppressed, folding stock, national match peep sights, water cooledAnd bullpup
>>64639996I was actually just thinking about this exact idea for drones
>>64636420Grow the fuck up some. Do something useful like join the Army.Practice the Profession of Arms in thename of keeping the rest of us safe fromforeigners.
It's time to buy a gun in a big boy caliber. I plan on hunting with it, so weight and length is a concern. 500 yards and in, deer sized game. Thinking 6.5 creedmoor or .308, maybe in a 16" or 18" barrel since I like using a can. Thoughts? I like the springfield waypoint, but the barrel seems a bit long. Sig cross is tempting as well, even though I hate Sig with a passion. It has to shoot very tiny groups (sub .75 moa preferred) because im an accuracy douche, weigh less than 9 lbs, and preferably cost under 2500. Willing to go higher if its not super diminishing returns. Buy a factory gun or build one?
>>64640857>I plan on hunting with ityeah but you aren't gonna go hunting because you're too shy to go to classes, have no idea where to even go to hunt and have no idea what to do with a deer once you shoot it.so how about you just buy a steyr scout in 308 and have fun at the range instead.
>>64640873I wouldnt call myself a great hunter, or even a good one, but I do hunt. Hoping to go out west next year with a friend for antelope. Thus the 500 yard requirement...>>64640871No thanks, I have too many AR's as is.
>>64640857>deer sized gameremington pump action rifleor a winchester.Idk, what your local Walmart or Hunting Supplier has on his hands?
>>64640857>McNiggeratorBeen literal years since I've been in a gear queer thread.I wonder what he's up to.
>>64640955It's not gonna be just a deer rifle. It's probably gonna spend most of it's life on the range, and I like shooting sub moa groups. But I would like to be able to hunt with it if we do go out west this year. I have plenty of guns capable of dropping local deer, but I want something that's half precision rifle, half hunting build.
tell horror stories about what happens when women get their hands on a firearm, I'll start...
>>64640679I will attest to this. Even just in any job Ive worked the men usually at least try to learn and get better/take constructive criticism at whatever they're doing. With women it's always a whole lot of eye rolling and "I don't have to to do that" untill everything is all fucked up, at which point some will finally start to learn but most just keep fucking shit up and not giving a fuck.
Took a woman shooting for a second date, fucked her in every hole. That's the story.
>>64630751>whole collections being confiscated because of a negligent dischargeGood. You shouldn't have access to firearms if you're too retarded to handle them safely.
>>64628646You're either a rapist who believes that sex is a validating, empowering experience, in which case you need therapy, or you're a woman who thinks virginity is that important, which is sadly incurable as it is not a disorder but just a different mental state of being than manhood.If you are Option 1, never lurk on this board again, as you are clearly not safe with guns. If you are Option 2, lurk on this thread to learn why women are often criticized in society.
>>64634320>be me>at range>guy comes up to me and says he likes my AR>seems like a okay guy>says he bought his first recently but has never shot a nice suppressed gun like mine and wants to try it>he asks to fire a couple rounds>be nice and decide to let him shoot a msg with 3 rounds>hand him the gun>”where is the safety in this”>weird question if he owns one but I show him>he adjusted his grip then asks the same question again>okay this guy isn’t new he’s just a retard>take gun back>”youre done pal”Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
U.S. sign-up deadline is December 5th.International matches have been sent out, and Santanons are busy readying their payloads. https://www.sekretsanta.net/Post about your matches and chat about the goodies youre gathering, but please, remember OPSEC!
Keep 'em cumming kommandos, got a ton of tracking numbers today!
BZ from OH: Your pac/k/age is in the (insert adjective here) hands of the USPS! /k/omrade ahab has your tracking number. Pic related is what it looked like right before the clerk took it away.Please be careful how deep you insert your knife when opening. This box isn't a captive skinwalker that you're gonna turn into six months of sandwich meat.
>>64640939>Please be careful how deep you insert your knife when openingHow about he just uses his dick
I may have been a doom and gloom downer in my letter. I'm sorry.
>>64638682I got an email to track it! Thank you komerade North. I am looking forward to degaussing my house in anticipation of its arrival.
Im becoming .22 wmr pilled and idk what to make of that
>>64636011I'm tired of .17HMR being sidelined, it's great and deserved the meme launch cult status.
>>64640550Despite being effective at what it does, our country just discriminates on that bullet diameter. People who love .17-diameter bullets and/or .25-diameter bullets are constantly getting the short end of the stick.
>>64640690>>64640550>.22 wmr necked to .17Hold on now son i wasnt privvy to that info, i may be also getting .17 hmr pilled then
>>64640849They're sweet. Inherited one with a thousand rounds. Great ballistics, exceptional terminal effect. Going to use it to take a nuisance fox soon.
>>64640931I want a revolver in it, i imagine its rather flat shooting in pistol ranges of shooting
Do attack helicopters still have a place on the modern battlefield?
>>64640799Millennials are mostly complete slaves to consensus and will go with whatever they think the group will want to hear them say.>t. millennial
>>64640774>in modern war, there's a lot more precision possible>there's a difference between attacking dual-use industry and terror bombingReasonable points. When paired with your response to the other anons, I think it gets to the heart of my thinking on the issue. I am not opposed to the development or usage of precision weapons, nor do I particularly mind touting their development as helping mitigate civilian casualties. But for me, getting the job done fast with the fewest friendly casualties possible takes priority, which means for me, I don't particularly care if, in a hypothetical war over Taiwan, we end up killing hundreds of thousands by giving the Three Gorges Dam the Operation Chastise treatment.
>>64640821Fair enough. As a zoomer, I haven't noticed much difference in disposition of my own generation.Kinda seems like it's a people problem, not a generation problem. Because, as extended time on 4chan will teach you, there are such things as conformists to nonconformity.
>>64637921>Do attack helicopters still have a place on the modern battlefield?did you miss all the footage from the 2023 Ukraine counteroffensive when Russian attack helicopters were picking off AFU IFVs and tanks from afar using night vision and guided missiles?
>>64640863>conformity within nonconformityAlso always been true.It's probably deleted now, but ~2004 there was a proto-meme "The Emo Song" floating around the web, making fun of emo boys looking like dykes / trannies. One of the verses is, "You'd be non-conforming too if you looked just like me!"People have loosely noticed this, but rarely do people move onto the next step of realization: It's really just about finding a surrogate and intentional tribe. People want belonging, they want meaningful community.Conformity / non-Conformity per se is just a red herring, but almost none of the impulsive "non-Conformists" even realize this. Dim self-awareness.
