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>>64744265
> given modern materials/manufacturing/tech?

definitionally, doesn't this exclude historical weapons? if you have new technology why would you use it to reinvent the old
anyway, i do think using slings to launch hand grenades would be extremely cool and masculine

>>64744265
Wood needed.

So this is Trump's wall? Impressive.

>>64744578
Incredibly informative, thank you. The esapis I traded were only 3 years younger so both were old dogs, they both pass tap and torque no, x-ray available. I wear them over balcs panels as well

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>>64742870
>we're already in the specialty territory that caliber is made for.
True as well. On that note, it would be even more interesting to see if there's any development in 9*39 or 12.7*55 AP ammo, but that's classified to the gills and we probably won't know for the next 20 years unless someone very high-speed royally fucks up. Low-velocity ultra-heavy penetrators are a captivating engineering challenge. Maybe I should've listened to my dad and went to military college with a firearms development program...

>>64743574
>Some of the old SARVIP plates are rumored to be similar, but might need a standoff
New Br5+ Granits were tested against 12.7*108 B-32 at simulated standoff of ~800m, IIRC. The plate was rekt, BFD was borderline unsurvivable, but the overall result for ICW solution was "no pen". And that's a GI plate mass produced out of (probably doped) alumina+PE. Stopping .50 shots with body armor hinges more on energy distribution and BFD mitigation rather than exotic strike face solutions needed to stop exotic high-velocity penetrators.

>>64743638
>against a REV. A ESAPI, what penetrates better?
At this point, when you're putting the entire energy of a .50 projectile into the target the size of SAPI plate, no-pen can be about as bad as partial penetration. There's a reason anti-materiel weapons are a class of their own.
>Russia actually has 3-shot 12.7x108 B-32 API @ 50m standardized as BR6, but no plates!
The GOST in question covers both body armor and civilian-grade armored cars, and Br6 is about the upper limit of what you can put on a commercial SUV chassis without it folding like a lawn chair. 3 hits of AP-incendiary PER BODY PANEL out of 1m barrel at point blank is a pretty high bar to clear even if you're hanging it on a twin-turbo G-Wagen or an LC200. Here's an illustration of an average mil-spec vehicle armored to Br6: VPK-Ural, mostly used by Russian SOF and formerly Wagner. That's basically just a MRAP.

>>64744486
That looks collectible as fuck.

>>64744578
>$1,570 a plate in 2013. Adjusted for inflation, that's $4,370 a set
And here I thought our inflation was bad...

>>64745064
Definitely collectible as a high end Ceradyne. As for others, the MH3 CQBs would be over $5k a set. 96034s about $4,892 a set (and that's what Delta paid for them in a bulk ~<160 plate order, not civ price because those were never sold to civs).
Ceradyne's best plates got really expensive back in the day. They were one of the few ceramic plate manufacturers that made their own strike faces from scratch, not like Hesco / Highcom / LTC / RMA, who just get their ceramics from Bitossi or Coors or St. Gobain. This meant Ceradynes had a performance edge because they could dope and add additives to their ceramics freely. Now that they're defunct, some of their stuff like boron-enriched boron carbide is essentially lost technology.

>>64744639
Glad to help, those are some nice plates. Make sure to run IIIA soft armor behind them. Also maybe foam pads, but in front of the plates to make up for lost drop protection. I would double down on having them x-rayed. I'm sure there's a lab nearby.
>>64745062
>12.7x55 and 9x39
I remember there was an STS-120UPU, a 1,219gr tungsten penetrator which tried to replace 12.7x55 VPS, at some point. There was also an ammo collectors' website that said Russians with OSV-96s and other 12.7x108 guns were reloading both 1,179 grain VPS and UPU into 12.7x108 as a supersonic, extremely armor-blind penetrator. They would be absolutely brutal vs ceramics if pushed to the 700m/s range. Similar to the 12.7x108 loads from Winchester-Olin sent to the Mujahadeen to punch through Hinds.
>BR5+
If it's true the new Granits are only doped Alumina, maybe ZTA, then get the mfg in contact with Shandong Yasai in China immediately, upgrade to TiB2-SiC. You'd save pounds.
>.50 cal BABT
That's the one area where, per the L. Cannon paper, behind armor blunt trauma can be extremely serious. .50 cal plates need to be massively built up. Part of the reason why they aren't a regular thing is that they need to be about 1.5" thick or more, which won't fit in many normal PCs.
>BR6
Yep, it's like VPAM. Thing is though, both Atlas and I think FORT advertised BR6 plates at one point. The Atlas was a piece of shit, not sure about the FORT, and I'm not talking ACP-G or ACP-M.

>>64740725
>1.85 Million layoffs since Oct 2025.
Military is a lot of things but it does pay.

>>64743925
>watch Professor Messers series
I took A+ 4 years ago for a job I never got and the advice was the exact same.

Shall be PCS to JBLM in a few months.

Recs?

>>64744110
Tell us more about your military service and provide some tangible evidence that you served.

>>64745401
>a neverserved trying to call out stolen valor

>>64745214
There's also the fact that Khomeini is simply the tip of the iceberg. There's an entire multi-layered regime with lots of power structures involved. Unlike 1979 removing the top dog won't change anything. The entire system needs to fall.

>>64745221
Yes. Iran government structure is somewhat like Papal state. They have Pope (Khomeini), Cardinal and Bishop that support him. Who also was supported by Conservative and rural peoples. Because if you don't support them you are going to hell btw.

>>64744044
Hello Ian, how's Canada?

>>64741707
gun

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>>64745288
>Not to mention how overtuned all the armor is to the point the shittiest plates and helmets can somehow tank mag dumps unless you run sabotted DUAP rounds in every mag.
Got to love how that was due to streamers with their best gear losing to naked hobos with Mosins.

>>64745313
>>64745288
basically the same thing that would happen in real life in this setting

the gear queers that post their knights armament on instagram, but never shoot it , would get clapped by /k/ommandos with mosins.

>>64745265
>us faggots can't help themselves as to fap to degenerate "russia stronk" shit, even when it's fake

>>64745231
>average /pol/ poster

>>64745265
>goes to prison
>becomes a bisexual roided out shut-in pothead
sad desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdSAXn4-mbk
https://youtu.be/7bpXLTOicM0?si=FCFQIJ52mYDwwdFU&t=125

>>64634465
with all that weight, you could use butter knives for teeth and be very lethal

>>64744319
you first, clown. there's a reason this planting method was dropped in favor of animal agriculture the moment Europeans arrived and showed how it's done.

>>64644972
The Incas managed it, but like hell are they sharing.

>>64742362
the retardedly huge helmet fan, probably

>>64745076
>you first, clown.
>Götz, Christopher M., and Kitty F. Emery, eds. The Archaeology of Mesoamerican Animals. Lockwood Press, 2013. https://doi.org/10.2307/j.ctvvnd8m.
tl;dr: They had domesticated peccaries, turkeys, and dogs which they all ate, as well as various kinds of wild-game, mostly white-tailed deer.

Why do you think so?

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>>64745210
Aperture sights are for women and homosexuals.

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>>64745237
I put picrel on my 1911 which is similar to that rear sight, and somehow I can get a sense of the aim alignment much quicker (as I'm bringing the gun up to my eye level). I tried a red dot on another handgun but this setup is actually better for me personally.

>>64745210
>reddots
are not accuracy and have batteries and are worthless unlessits an IR dot for NV which is the ONLY reason militaries use then
>>64745210
>Scopes
scopes and irons are accuracy woithout batteries

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>>64745237
>he doesn't know how to use aperture sights
oh nononono

>>64727248
GoT isn't even consistent with its dragons. Pick a better franchise.

>>64740980
>Historical armor constantly gained weight the more firearms got introduced
this is true, see 16th century German plate armour suits
>steel breastplate with a thickness around 2-3mm that is proof against arrows at point blank range
arrows could still cut through that thickness of armour, if the plate was flat
what the last plate armour suit designers of history grasped empirically but didn't quite understand was that the curved bulbous shapes in which they made their armour meant that both arrows and bullets went through a greater thickness of armour, for the same reason that tanks have sloped armour. they thought that the projectiles were skipping off the curves
ultimately however,
>muskets do deliver 10-20 times the force then the best crossbow
no
muskets can't penetrate 10mm let alone 20mm of steel plate

>>64744703
>Arrows achieve literally nothing against full grown dragons, not even scratching them. Their hides would be several inches thick
anon, please bear in mind you're talking about a fictional animal
how is anyone supposed to know this?

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>>64745136
For a real world comparison crocodiles' hides eventually become thick enough arrows can't do squat against anything short of a lucky shot to the eye. Dragons having similarly tough skin to support their weight seems hardly unreasonable.

>>64745156
precisely
yet nobody is saying that crocodile hide is bulletproof or that it is several inches thick
it is an unwarranted leap of logic to assume so for dragons as much as it is for crocodiles

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>>64745136
> 2-3mm
>arrows could still cut through that thickness of armour, if the plate was flat
Im not so sure about that, even lower quality steel at that thickness should be pretty hard to pierce, in the arrow vs armor test 3 where they shoot at a brigadine using 1.2mm mild steel plates with one side being hardened. The arrows they are using have bladed hard steel tips and they dont show that impressive performance. Only two arrows showed undeniable killing power, one launched at 40 meters hitting the neck plate that was about 1.5mm thick and the other at 20 meters hitting the eye slit ignoring the helmet armor. Every other arrow did not have the same clear killing power when striking the brigandine or arm protection
https://youtu.be/SFFgcTzCvMo?t=446
They also did test against just flat 1.5mm mild steel plate and the penetration depth was not as dramatic as the textile or chainmail armor
https://youtu.be/UBbVWqA45fI?t=962
>arrow vs 1.5mm mild steel penetration depth 7cm-2.3cm
>arrow vs chainmail penetration depth 25-24cm
>arrow vs fabric armor penetration depth 25-17.5
Pic related from ARROWS vs ARMOUR 2 - Best metal for armour video all the test plates are 1.5mm thick

But back to dragons.
https://youtu.be/xXfEsEYeTKc?t=870
>Season 5 of games of thrones dragons have grown quite alot and are large enough to be ridden but are still vulnerable to hand thrown spears

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>>64744966
Maybe it's possible to have a nuanced take on war?
Sometimes war is necessary and you need to fight, in which case fighting for your people is noble and manly. Even if you're nothing but a soldier of fortune, you going into actual combat in spite of being motivated by money is still you putting your life and body on the line for someone else's sake.

Men like Mad Mike Hoare, one of the greatest mercenaries of all time, simply enjoyed the soldiering and the fighting. He tried to go back to peaceful life after WW2 but he just could not STAND being an accountant, he missed the action and the soldierly camaraderie.
So he travels the world a bunch, including bicycling through all of fucking Africa, twice, and finally starts a mercenary company which will play a big role in the wars in the Congo.
Mike was a man's fucking man, he loved to fight and he killed a lot of communists.

However, bawling about how yet another weapon makes war "less manly" is an extremely unmanly and pathetic display, and one which completely lacks any perspective on the history of warfare and weapons. Like >>64744959 says, drones are just another new weapon and you still need Hard Cunts walking and fighting on the ground to actually get the warfare done.

>>64745077
Deluded.

>>64745095
>I don't think they'll take over every facet of war like dronefags suggest.
There's no chance that they will because drones can be countered, and drones can't capture objectives. Boots on the ground are simply vital for fighting and capturing.

>>64745239
Why do you think Putin only started fucking with Ukraine after they started developing their gas fields?
Why do you think Maduro is in NY?

It's isn't as simple as "take loot" but "we rely on X economic sector and Y poses a threat" is a very common motivation.
Read up on Europen dependance on Russian gas, that gas being cut to apply political pressure, the Qatar / Turkey pipeline and development of Ukie fields
You can explain it in 100,000 words if you want to be a wanker but it all comes down to Russia being dependant on gas exports and many attempts to replace them as Europes supplier.

Bonus points look at the planned route of the Qatar / Turkey pipeline and see which countries were going to get what cut of gas pumped.

>>64745275
>Why do you think Maduro is in NY?
I think it's really obvious, profit and further distraction. Silver lining is putting his fat commie-narco ass behind bars, and the Venezuelans certainly don't seem to be missing him.
Watching the Chinese mald about it is also extremely funny.

>>64745080
>mass immigration isn't happening
>mass immigration is happening but it's a good thing
>mass immigration is a bad thing but you should blame the russians (even though we're still not doing anything to stop it)

no

>>64745053
lol no. they can't even penetrate medieval individual double-ply armor.

>>64745053
There's a reason we moved on my man.

If you believe in yourself, and with the power of friendship and love, you can achieve anything!

>>64743971
Machining tolerances.
>>64744091
No.

>>64741154
>Towards the of their partnership Karl would state something and if Ian offered a conflicting view you could see the rage flood over Karl.
>LET ME FINISH
I remember that well, it's true, and the greentext memes were awesome

>>64743971
>better condition
>better tolerances
>better trigger
>better lock-time
>more uniform loads/bullets
I sometimes wonder too

>>64743971
because they didn't need to be super accurate guns, their main purpose was to provide volley fire, that's why they were deliberately loaded with undersized balls to make reloads faster but making them more inaccurate. using an appropriately sized ball in a smoothbore musket can get you a relatively small spread, but it takes more time and effort to load which isn't the best thing under the stress of battle, especially when volume of fire is more important than the accuracy of individual shots.
these days though, muskets are novelty guns used for fun, so you have plenty of time to experiment with different loads and to use properly sized balls, because you don't have to worry about redcoats ordering a bayonet charge against your position.

>>64734714
No it didnt lol. Early guns were super expensive. They also required super rare materials (saltpetre, sulfur) mixed in certain amounts and treated in the correct way; that was privileged knowledge of the cannon maker's guilds. Early cannon was WAYYYY more effective and influential than early hand firearms.
>battlefield is dominated by rich man covered head to toe in very expensive steel armor
>he has literally spent half of his entire life training in the art of killing other people
>he is basically invincible
What actually killed this was the pike block, and it happened centuries before competent hand firearms. In France they consider the Battle of Nancy to be the end of the middle ages for this reason; it doesn't really matter how skilled or armored you are when there's 30 tightly packed guys with overlapping pike forests and halberds moving toward you.

I like to imagine the perfect cyberpunk fit, and what it would look like to actually be functional. A combination of SBRs and offensive ewar, basically.
Also, I loaded my HK and tactically cleared my house one day to exfil cereal from my pantry.

Sometimes I like to take my shit box car out for a drive at night in an area where there's no one else around, radio and vents off, and pretend I'm in a WWII bomber on a night run to bomb Hamburg

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Whenever I go to some thrift store or antique or just old stuff shop I always have my nose tuned into surplus gear. Doesn't matter the place, if it's got old shit Ima be looking for surplus shit every time, even if I'm looking for something else entirely.

>>64734289
based highfleet enjoyer

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>>64742186
This you?

>>64742193
If you actually shot then you’d have an ACOG.

>>64733508
shorter is smaller, regardless of the weight, that makes mounting a thermal easier or using nods off the head

>>64741105
>More mag than people will use without a 1x for close range.
everyone already puts red dots on top anyways, what makes you think that will change lol

>>64741105
you sound like you've never shot past like 200 or 300 yards
more magnification is pretty much always helpful at 500+ yards

>>64741105
That girl is natural college material.

>>64715698
You should make a Macuahuitl that is a reproduction of the long, thin one they had in Madrid (until they lost it in a fire)
I don't have the picture on hand but
Iirc the blade section is like 4 feet long and 4 inches wide, and the obsidian pieces are set flush with one another so they act as a continuous blade.
Mostly, because I'd like to see what it looks like.

>>64742196
He could scale it down, ofc. Though if its not bonk enough, then maybe a trebuchet?

>>64711722
>Bonkanon here
The one who killed a guy with a baseball bat, or the one who hunts small animals with blunt objects?

>>64744104
>The one who killed a guy with a baseball bat
That was gonkanon.

>>64743833
I do both. I used HSS tools to make the spike dowels and some of the finer details, but most of the main body was done with carbide. One thing I learned doing this project, is that you can control the surface finish of some woods with your choice of tooling. Carbide cuts more like a scraper and Wenge has very long open grain so it left a lot of tearout and really showed a rough grain texture, as you'd expect using a scraper 90 degrees to the grain of any wood. HSS tooling cuts more like a knife and would leave a lot smoother surface on the Wenge. In hindsight, I think this would have looked better if I finished it with HSS, but I'm glad I tried the carbide because it gives the exact look I want for a new project I've been thinking about for months and am finally getting ready to start.

>>64743988
I did think about that when I was doing research for my project but decided against it because I think that one is ugly

>>64730850
>really you can trace this all back to not full on invading in 2014 and instead giving Ukraine 10 years to get its shit semi together.
You are naive. Russia did invade in 2014. First with proxy forces, and when those got murdered, they've sent in the real full blown army, as a way to stop the LDNR+ from total collapse. It was a pretty bloody fight since they've basically did a flanking attack, but still got fucked up quite a bit in the process. That resulted in the much memed "fried buryats".
They couldn't do better in 2014 for a whole number of reasons, including but not limited to the reforms and rearming programs still not being done, but also not having the logistic to support the operation. They've invested 8 years of additional preparations post-2014 into the large scale invasion, literally building new rail lines, new logistic bases, new training bases, new military bases, creating new army detachments and so on and so forth.
The reason why they couldn't do "just go home in 2022 and prove the CIA were lying" is because 2022 was their best chance, since the more they've waited the worse it would get for them in the long run due to demographics, economy (their economic model lost steam by 2012) and internal politics.
The issue was them blowing their load prematurely in 2014 as a stupid reaction to the maidan revolution, and thus showing their cards (which forced ukies to react and start cleaning house, rebuilding the army and so on). Back in 2014 you could see a ton of the RU niche military talking heads whining that this all happened too soon, they needed at least 5 more years to prepare for the war.

>>64729538
whisky, lime juice and tonic water

>>64729538
to their credit, by this point in WW1 they had surrendered

>>64726391
There's an IED in that bag heads bag head bag

>>64743949
>fried buryats
qrd?