>"They dance so languorously, the women of Syria. I knew then in Jerusalem a Jewess who, in a hovel, by the light of a small smoky lamp, on a bad carpet, danced raising her arms to clash her cymbals. Her back arched, her head thrown back and as if dragged down by her heavy auburn hair, her eyes drowned in voluptuousness, ardent and languishing, supple, she'd have made Cleopatra herself pale with envy. I loved her barbaric dances, her slightly husky and yet so sweet singing, the smell of her incense, the semi-sleeping state she seemed to live in. I followed her everywhere. I mixed in with the vile crowd of soldiers, boatmen and publicans she was surrounded with. One day she disappeared and I never saw her again. I looked for a long time for her in doubtful alleyways and taverns. She was harder for me to do without than Greek wine. A few months after I had lost track of her, I learned, quite by chance, that she had joined a small group of men and women who were followers of a young Galilean miracle worker. He was called Jesus, came from Nazareth, and was crucified, for what crime I don't know. Do you remember that man, Pontius?">Pontius Pilate frowned, bringing his hand to his forehead like someone who is trying to remember. Then, after a few moments of silence, he murmured:>"Jesus. Jesus. From Nazareth? No. I can't bring him to mind."
>>24944367He absolutely needed to keep their opinion in mind. Roman backing of a local elite was their modus operandi. Judea was a hotbed of rebellion
>>24944449*Isn'treal's
Bump
>>24944467The local elite depended on Rome for their power. The high priest in the gospels at least panics because he thinks Jesus will incite rebellion and says better for one man to die than the whole nation
>>24943625>They dance so languorously, the women of Syria. I knew then in Jerusalem a Jewess who, in a hovel, by the light of a small smoky lamp, on a bad carpet, danced raising her arms to clash her cymbals. Her back arched, her head thrown back and as if dragged down by her heavy auburn hair, her eyes drowned in voluptuousness, ardent and languishing, supple, she'd have made Cleopatra herself pale with envy. I loved her barbaric dances, her slightly husky and yet so sweet singing, the smell of her incense, the semi-sleeping state she seemed to live in.Ew.
Been a long time since I seen the show and have never read the books.The topic came up and I said the fire priestess was my favourite character to which the response was "that's very telling for your character"What's that supposed to mean?
Impossible to saying without knowing a lot more about your relationship and past with this person and what they said before and after this, and also what they're like personally, and why she is your favourite.She is a character I like too.
>>24944101kech
it means you were talking to some neurotic white woman who is always in her "i studied power trips, where do you fit in my power trip" mode
>>24944101Only the first 3 are worth reading.
>>24944101I want Melisandre to sit on my face so bad
It is not exactly well known in modern circles but much of Hemingways writing had fetishistic undertones for the sexual fetishes be possessed. It is well known that in most of his novels the main women has some sort of ratchet short haircut. Lady Brett Ashley,Maria and Catherine Barkley all had very intense details on the short hair they had. Further most of his wives had short hair and it was a subject of contention for His first wife Hadley Richardson and a mainstay with his second Pauline. Further the topic of women on male anal stimulation comes up in some of his works but more overt. The garden of Eden book truly is the embodiment of the Hemingway sexuality. Hemingwaybros how do you cope with the great man’s man writer liking women with boy haircuts and getting his buddy tickled. Personally I enjoy it.
>>24944831>short hair fetishSounds to me like he had a type. Have zoomers fucked up their brains with corn on a generational scale so now everything is a fetish to them?
>>24944831Wish I looked as handsome as Hemingway did at 18.
in at least two books his protagonist eats peanut butter onion sandwhiches.
>>24944831I like cute girls with boy haircuts, too.
>>24944831>Hemingwaybros how do you cope with the great man’s man writer liking women with boy haircuts and getting his buddy tickledCope? Prostate stimulation is the fetish of only the most patrician straight men.
>>24945306>Is 1 Hemingway’s Cat in the Rain (or something like that, can’t remember the exact title)?That's it. An early short story. From Men Without Women, perhaps.
>>24945345Right, sorry - I meant 4, of course.
>>24945365>Right, sorry - I meant 4, of course.That’s more like it. "The Arrival Of The Bee Box".
>>2493031946: The Wasp Factory by Banks?
>>24930314Could 32 be Borges?
bought it in a charity shop for 50p. what should i expect?
as a white man, the fetishistic idol in the eye of the Asian woman, i don't read to or listen to any of their deranged thought and opinions.
>>24944977Nipples
not even worth the 50 pence
Fire starter to summon santa
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>>24945332Nice anon! Use your concentration, and it becomes stronger!What you reading now? :D
>>24945348Indeed :) and picIt's great stuff. A real writer's book, especially with Mailer's unmatched precision of description and incisiveness -- it's wild how thoroughly and illuminatively he can paint the textual excavation of any social situation, disposition of a person and their motivations, the macro and micro landscape of a historical moment, etc. I definitely plan on making a thread about it once I finish, primarily to recommend it to others.
Happy 4:20 everyone.
both my balls for a good literature discussion forum
>>24945247You're right, I'm definitely overstating how easy it is for other people. Still, most people have a friend or two they can keep around with minimal effort. When I've tried to engage with people in the past, I usually ended up being the "goober" or "that guy", invited to things as an afterthought or people would only hang out with me because we knew each other since we were kids or because they had no one else to hang out with. Then when I stopped trying to stay in contact with people, everyone just sort of drifted away from me. I was the one who kept checking in on people but no one ever checked on me.Eventually I got the hint that I wasn't really liked anywhere and stopped trying to force myself in. After that my social skills just completely atrophied. My initial post barely scratches the surfaces of my interpersonal struggles. I've had to put much more effort than most people into maintaining connections that are much more tenuous that most people's.>>24945272>Why is your body "scarred and deformed?" If you are preventing yourself from pursuing intimacy because the kind that you want will lead to you having to being vulnerable and naked in a body you think is repugnant, then maybe you are using that as a stand-in for some deeper emotional and psychological problems you are having.My body is quite literally scarred and deformed. Some of the scars are from injuries but most of it is severe acne scarring all across my chest and back that makes me look like a burn victim. And I have an actual skeletal deformity in my chest and spine that I was mocked for having as kid when I was shirtless at the pool so I've never been shirtless around anyone else since. There's absolutely no stand-in for any deeper psychological problem. It's literal, not symbolic. People have nearly retched at my body before. I couldn't even keep a blind woman attracted to me, she'll rub her hands across my body and read revulsion from the braille written by my acne scares.
In a world where 90% of the internet traffic is online video streaming, to detriment of the environment and our minds, why aren't you rejecting modernity and going to the library? The library is literally free and fun for all ages. It is the most environmentally and civic minded thing you can do. Instead of being in a haze of pleasure, living in a digital cocoon of reels and streams, why aren't you forging the future of humanity? The weight of the world is on your shoulders and only you can make a better world.
>>24945142>poor people>smells funny>overcome with sudden urge to poopyeah that's right. Get out of my property untermensch. Library is for real philosophers.
>>24943918All the novels at my local library are foid-porn-slop, boomer spy fiction, and Canadian literature; that is only published out of guilt and pity.No Raymond Chandler, or anything nice like that.I'd go there to read my own books and write, but the seats are all taken by teens and it's not chill. Just awkward and clinical.
>>24945335**But I'd love to meet a literate girlfriend or writing partner at the library . . .But, that's fantasy and will never actually happen**And I can't hang out in a nice library like Toronto's reference library, because I was born in Suburban Hell.
My library is very, very bad. The downtown branch. I should start taking the bus to the branch in the nicer part of town. The main downtown location is literally full of hobos, drug addicts and literal African immigrants with schizophrenia. It's more like a social services center than a library.
>>24944042The world dragon has many worshippers of its many forms.
Just finished this, why exactly is it supposed to be the greatest thing ever written?
>>24945006>Othello is my favorite Shakespeare play btw
>>24945092My second favourite is unironically Titus Andronicus but my favorite play is actually Volpone by Ben Johnson
>>24945006>>24945099
>>24944973You’re a fag
>>24941591 bumpI read it when I was a teenager (doesn't even count!) and got completly filtered but still loved it. Sofar, I loved every Shakespeare play I read. I studied (analytical) philosophy at uni for almost a decade and in Shakespeare I rediscovered what made me want to study philosophy in the first place. >>24941733Thx>>24943048True
>completely dismantles leftism in your path
>>24944150>>24944194>from de sade to hitlermy guess is that Georges Bataille influenced postmodernism, and one of his contributions was reevaluating the works of de sade to be about transgression. This means that postmodernism (and by extension all leftism because) likes torturing teenagers. And then hitler was leader of the National Socialist party, so that's leftism right in the name. So leftists are secretly nazi sadists.
>>24944150Title always cracks me up (the version with Pol Pot instead of Marcuse is better, though).
>>24944150The Nazis were overwhelmingly Catholic Right Wingers, so why is Hitler listed on this book?
>>24944269110% Aryan genes
>>24944150I like him but a lot of his thought at times can sound like petulant whining.
What’s the male version of this? I’m tired as fuck
>>24945152>submit the powerI had started “hibernating” as best I could in mid-June of 2000. I was twenty-four years old. I watched summer die and autumn turn cold and gray through a broken slat in the blinds. My muscles withered. The sheets on my bed yellowed, although I usually fell asleep in front of the television on the sofa, which was from Pottery Barn and striped blue and white and sagging and covered in coffee and sweat stains.I didn’t do much in my waking hours besides watch movies. I couldn’t stand to watch regular television. Especially at the beginning, TV aroused too much in me, and I’d get compulsive about the remote, clicking around, scoffing at everything and agitating myself. I couldn’t handle it. The only news I could read were the sensational headlines on the local daily papers at the bodega. I’d quickly glance at them as I paid for my coffees. Bush versus Gore for president. Somebody important died, a child was kidnapped, a senator stole money, a famous athlete cheated on his pregnant wife. Things were happening in New York City—they always are—but none of it affected me. This was the beauty of sleep—reality detached itself and appeared in my mind as casually as a movie or a dream. It was easy to ignore things that didn’t concern me. Subway workers went on strike. A hurricane came and went. It didn’t matter. Extraterrestrials could have invaded, locusts could have swarmed, and I would have noted it, but I wouldn’t have worried.When I needed more pills, I ventured out to the Rite Aid three blocks away. That was always a painful passage. Walking up First Avenue, everything made me cringe. I was like a baby being born—the air hurt, the light hurt, the details of the world seemed garish and hostile. I relied on alcohol only on the days of these excursions—a shot of vodka before I went out and walked past all the little bistros and cafes and shops I’d frequented when I was out there, pretending to live a life. Otherwise I tried to limit myself to a one-block radius around my apartment.
>>24944328What women think, what women believe, what women express publicly, and what women actually do, are never the same thing.So no. You are wasting your time thinking you will learn anything from what they express in public.
Unironically, The Metamorphosis.
>>24944019>What’s the male version of this? I’m tired as fuck
>>24945179>, what women express publicly, and what women actually do,What country of honor and L'esprit de fraternité do you live in anon? Because in America the men act the same
>tfw Emily Wilson has replaced Albert Cook for the translation Norton Critical Edition uses for the Odyssey
>>24944925>a mere artifactYour praise means nothing.
>>24945219Universities across the English-speaking world agree with it
>>24943504Greek literature is 6/10 anyway. Augustine was right.>>24943512She looks raped.
>>24943665One, because Caroline Alexander actually respects her reader enough that she doesn't dumb the language down to "tote bags" and "complicated man." Wilson on the other hand wanted to capture the TikTok crowd whose only experience with the classics is Percy Jackson fanfics. Two, Caroline Alexander never needed to market her translation using her gender because her translation stands on its own merits. It's beautiful and poetic despite being done in prose, and you can feel her love for the poem throughout. Emily Wilson's translation on the other hand sucks even though it's in verse and at times she actively seems to dislike Homer, but because it's marketed using her gender nobody is allowed to criticize it. She hides behind the argument that she's just corrected the mistakes of past male translators, and yes she's right about some of those mistakes but then she swings hard in the opposite direction. "Complicated man" to describe Odysseus. Was "problematic man" too on the nose? Like seriously pick out any section of the book and compare the two translations side by side and tell me with a straight face Wilson's is better. If a man had published the exact same translation these same people wouldn't give a damn about it, because it was never about the translation in the first place, it's about virtue signaling. I just wish they would stop being disingenuous and admit the real reason they shill Wilson.
>>24943694Of course she gets rid of the part talking about the pain Odysseus suffered in his heart, simply reducing it to physical pain suffered in storms. Also make sure to get rid of the part talking about how he strive hard to save his men. Can't have modern readers empathize with a problematic man, no way.
Extremely repetitive question, but: If I liked pic related a lot, what do I read next? What's similar to these? The Recognitions? The Tunnel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91gT68xeDMM
Maybe mason and dixon?>>24940409Nothing wrong with taking inspiration from a place where he knows that people have finished the books he specifically mentioned and is looking for inspiration.
Get some DeLillo into your collection. I like White Noise and Ratner's Star. The Crying of Lot 49 is also good for more Pynchon And I've never met a DFW book I didn't like. Maybe devour his whole catalog while you're at it.
>>2494422319 year old that used to post on Tumblr
>>24940394The Recognitions, 2666, Mason and Dixon, JR, so on.
In his 'Lectures on the Mind for Young Samurai', Mishima reflects on being called a nerd for his love of literature during the war.He argues that today's nerds use literature as a safety zone to hide from the real world.He distinguishes between two types of literature.The first, which he calls second-rate, is relatively harmless; it acts as a comforting teacher, offering simple moral lessons and inspiration to those who are struggling, giving hope to the heartbroken, teaching that money isn't everything to the poor, and comforting the weak.The true danger, he warns, comes from "real" literature. This first-rate writing reveals the frightful fate of humanity and teaches through beautiful and captivating prose "that in this life an irredeemable evil lurks at the bottom of human nature", leading the reader to a nihilistic precipice and abandoning them there without solace.The greatest problem arises when nerds who consume this powerful literature fall under the illusion that they arrived at its profound conclusions through their own effort.This creates a false sense of superiority, leading them to become cynics who mock all human effort, sincerity, and passion from a detached and powerless position.As a writer, Mishima knows this "poison of literature" intimately, and admits that he only found a partial antidote later in life through physical action.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24945243>The man is warning between literature that sedates the mind with simple lessons and platitude, and literature that reveals miserable truths of humanity, and you're worried that he didn't give out book recommendations?Again, without any examples to support his argument its just a vague dichotomy. >that in this life an irredeemable evil lurks at the bottom of human nature", leading the reader to a nihilistic precipice and abandoning them there without solace.Yeah this doesnt happenGay hack confirmedStill liked sun and steel tho
>>24944237What a homo
>>24945266I don't think he needs to support the description of either category with specific books, they're sufficiently differentiated.>Yeah this doesnt happenOh, nevermind, you're being an idiot on purpose.
>>24945296>Oh, nevermind, you're being an idiot on purpose.So if I disagree with his preconceived notion I'm an idiot? Thats idiotic to sayAt the bottom human nature lies goodness and that insight leads to a precipice of positivity and solace, is my stance. Ancient philosophy is on my side, a gay hack is on yourswho will win, I wonder? :^)
>>24945258thislol
>>24940675When you bustin a nut and she keep suckin
>>24944098Is there a literary equivelent to this?
>>24940675any book by Céline or Limonov
>>24940675Good Soldier Svejk
"Hemingwrite" editionPrevious: >>24931322/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQRESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvCPlease limit excerpts to one post.Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported.(And maybe double-space your WIPs to allow edits if you want 'em.)Simple guides on writing:Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24944719>>24944723Hell yeah, man. I wish you the best out there. We're all gonna make it.
>>24945281Even Victoria anon?
>>24944719For me>Thank you for taking the time to query me! While I love historical fiction, especially as it relates to the telling of reallife stories, I will need to pass. At this time, your query package here is quite underdeveloped and you lost me quite early because of it. My advice would be to do some more thorough research on what needs to be included in your query and how to write a proper synopsis, and you'll have a much better time with agents.Now I have to learn how to query and write a better synopsis
>>24945315You guys must be doing something right. All I've gotten are canned rejection letters.
>>24945313there's multiple of us but yes we will make it
