A nine volume series originally written for Catholic students, the fairness, scholarship and objectivity of the work made it popular far beyond its intended audience. The author believes that understanding the context of philosophers, whom they were responding to, and what influenced their views, is vital to engaging with their work in good faith. The history stretches from the pre-Socratics to Sartre.Next week we begin the first volume; giving a few days of grace in case you plan to read from physical copiesIf you wish to keep track of threads or look for other resources, they will be posted on the Criterion Club server on the philosophy and math channelhttps://discord.gg/XhFGx57VKm
>>24976502Do kindle users who read stuff this dense even buy it? Don't they just pirate?
Why do it over discord? We have a very nice board here.
>>24976196Audiobooks when?
>>24976824We are doing it in the board unless there aren't enough takers to sustain threads
I've had these books on my shelf for years, so this might give me an excuse to read them, but I. will most likely skip books II and III.
Theoretically speaking, is the concept of AI reaching the equivalent of human consciousness just an amalgamation of algorithms or something supposedly more?
>>24976848What is human consciousness?There’s no good answer and yet people insist AI - which also lacks a coherent definition - can duplicate it through some process they give a name like “emergence” that explains fucking nothing. It’s incoherent undefined words three or four layers deep and people say them as if they just had a profound opinion about any of it and didn’t just expose their empty skulls with a brainfart.
the fourth blackfyre rebellion editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>24949686
>>24976299hate this fuck
I think this IP should just be let loose for every studio to pump out their own shows or animated series until eventually we get an ending that is so widely liked that its considered canon and then we can finally have a satisfying conclusion. Obviously it would be more satisfying to READ IT in the BOOKKKKKKKKKK but the most positive polly thing we can hope for in this regard is the fat man dying and then we can see what he has written so far and notes.
>>24976237Pleb taste is the problem there mate mulled wine is great.
if roose is a vampire and he skinchanges into ramsay, how's he gonna come back from consequences on all the shit ramsay's pulled?
So Holden was a tard wrangler?
Was he right? What comes after the Faustian civilization?
>>24976337He covers that mostly in Decline of the West (first volume is where he sets everything up), but it's pretty long. Man&Technic is more about the development of technology specifically.
>>24975242You know when you make a bunch of idiotic statements we don't actually read the whole post and skip after being assured you're a tard
>>24974207This is pseudo-orientalism and is bereft of any value besides a look into the psychology of its author. Honestly, you write like the type of person who really supports Ukraine but only does so as an extension of his negative feelings towards Rusgolia. And you seem to get your information from sensationalists on X, to boot.You could probably get more constructive discussion with a Putin-worshipping geriatric from Khabarovsk.
>>24976408But it's true. There are only three types of Russians: 1) The person who never talks about Russia because they're probably ashamed. They're probably already in exile. These are the Russians who are most similar to Europeans and the most successful. They're mostly liberal, though sometimes deeply religious Christians, but compared to the others, they're very non-nihilistic. They're not particularly good, but they're tolerable.2) a person who openly says, "I love Putin and agree with him on everything."3) A person who supposedly hates Putin but agrees with him on everything. He might even join the army.The last two types make up the majority of Russia's population. There is also a significant minority of ethnically non-Russians who want to establish an Islamic state in Russia.Unlike you, I've interacted with Russians in real life. Much more than I'd like.
>>24976408Once a sensitive person develops a strong opinion on Russia, and it doesn't matter whether the opinion is positive or not, they begin to mutate into a vicious gremlin whose new sole purpose in life is to perpetuate their own idea of Russia. Russia is the great cognitohazard.
I have heard that the Neoplatonists taught the Platonic dialogues in a particular order, but I cannot seem to find any information on said order or anything else there pertaining to.
>>24976428The primary ancient source for the specific curriculum/reading order of Plato’s dialogues attributed to Iamblichus is not found directly in the extant works of Iamblichus himself, but in a later text known as the Anonymous Prolegomena to Platonic Philosophy, a late ancient (6th-century CE) introduction to Plato’s works that preserves this tradition. Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy+1 Key Source for Iamblichus’s Platonic CurriculumAnonymous Prolegomena to Platonic PhilosophyThis is a late antique, anonymous Greek text (often attributed to a sixth-century Neoplatonist in the school of Olympiodorus the Younger) that preserves the reading order of Plato’s dialogues ascribed to Iamblichus. Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy+1In this text (chapter 26 in the edition of Leendert G. Westerink), a list of twelve Platonic dialogues is given, described as offering a systematic overview of Plato’s philosophy — a canonical curriculum rooted in Iamblichus’s teaching tradition. Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24976428The curricula actually vary a bit, but the AI slop here >>24976457 is mostly right.The thing is, you're supposed to have run through the Aristotleian corpus before the first Platonic dialogue. Things like Porphyry's Isogogue and commentaries on Aristotle might be consulted around this point. The Prolegomena would often be read first though.However, from what I've seen the Philebus is often last.
They also thought you should read all of Aristotle first
What's so scary about recognizing your own insignificance in the grand scheme of things?
Its like coming across some wild animal in the woods, its going to be a lot scarier in the dark when you can't see it because you don't know whats going on.
>>24974969If you were actually Christian you would have heard of being "God fearing" and its basically the same thing.
>>24974915>WeStop right there. You're wrong already.
>>24974899Actually you're all insignificant but I'm not
>>24974899It's not that scary. Realising that there's no guarantee that you're insignificant is scarier.
Talk about poems/poets you like, post your own work, and critique others.
>>24976020?It's a thick collected poems set.
>>24951252beautiful. it breaks dichotomy and rules and spins a freeform narrative, i really like it
Poetry is gay. Everyone who likes poetry is gay. Everyone who writes poetry is gay. You're all gay.
>>24976614I'm actually gay how did you know?
And I must bend, and bend again, to meet it,feeling the pulse of earth beneath my feet,the mountains moving inside my chest,their ancient songs echoing through my bones,while the psilocybin loosens the hinges of the world,light sliding like a river inside a dropthat refused to fall,each pulse of colour singing through my veins,the air thick with messages,the ground remembering my name.
Just read it. It sucked. What am I missing?
>>24975722>you sound absolutely unhinged to be seething at a slice of life bookYou sounds like reddit faggots that defend modern h*lywood smearing their wilful subhuman mugs with corporate capeshit on an annual basis "because it's just entertainment bro chillax it's fun". Eat shit and kill yourself, soulless subhuman golem.
>>24976034Ah, makes sense now. You're a /pol/tard.back to your containment board lil pup >>>/pol/
>>24976034Ah, makes sense now. You're a butthurt capeshit subhuman.Back to your containment paddock, pig twat: reddit.com
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>>24976584 is for >>24976536 subhuman, obviously.>>24976764Niggers and other faggots are the main audience of capeshit, animeshit and reality TV, especially the celeb one. Anyone who likes P&P is a philosophical nigger.
The bulk of western fantasy (yes even today) is based on Christian philosophy, or its bastard child humanism. Good and evil, sin and redemption, sacrifice, justice, moral character arcs, etc.The remaining works that aren't, are largely based on some flavor of nihilism or existentialism. There's nothing wrong with this, but I want something fresh. Off the top of my head the only western fantasy series that isn't really based on the above is the Earthsea series.
>>24976362>You've ruled out european pagan writings in your repliesNo I haven't lol.
>>24972441>within a genre that was created by writers like Eddison and TolkienGreat, so the wizard of oz, peter pan, and alice in wonderland aren't fantasy novels. You are clearly using a very different definition of "fantasy" than most people, so your opinions can be safely dismissed in this case.>Also fantasy writers know that they're essentially playing make believeThen aesop's fables fit that criteria, as well as a lot of medieval and folklore. The deeper issue is that as a reader it's impossible to tell what an author truly believes. Did Homer think everything in the iliad truly happened, or did he just come up with a fantastical story loosely based on a real life war (a la modern historical fantasy.) Does it actually matter whether the original author of a story thinks it's fictional or allegorical if later generations believe it to be historic fact? Maybe some of the authors of the pentateuch or mahabharata believed they were writing allegorical morality tales, having no clue that their work would later be taken as the literal word of god by people centuries later.
>>24972229Vampires, werewolves, elves, dwarves, fairies, other worlds, spirits, demons, gods all predate Tolkien. A pantheon of gods isn't very Christian either.
>>24974327So what happened when Cronus overthrew Uranus? Did the world end? No. Odin is going to die too without taking the world with him. These are the two most popular mythologies after Abrahamic religions.
>>24972027A Wizard of Earthsea
Philosophy certified high T
>>24976294Whats the difference between "Historical" and "History"? At first I thought historical meant historical fiction but that's also on here.
>>24976797You just know a woman made that chart.
>>24976490Philosophy, literally, means love of wisdom, so yes they do.
The Novel really was literature’s biggest mistake. Fucking midwit magnet.
>>24976816Wisdom ≠ Knowledge. Sure you utilize knowledge with wisdom, but wisdom also employs uncertainty ie: most of metaphysics
Kind of impressive that a man can profess Marxism for decades, study it to its entirety comfortably from the ivory tower of a cushy position in literal Marxist academia under a Communist regime, finding out from a sympathetic position everything that there is to be found about Marxism from its earliest proponents to its latest ones, the least and the greatest, only to eventually arrive at the conclusion that... it's all fundamentally wrong and can never workI mean when even this guy with all his sympathy and effort gave up, it's telling, isn't it?
>>24976154>quantum mechanics turned potential energy into an agreement that is already presumed>most peopleYou're a beta either way today. You trying to know things without an agreement?
>>24976163Newtonian physics is a model used because it works for everything that isn’t subatomic or going at non-relativistic speeds. I take it Marxism is a model? Value in an economy is a quantifiable metric, it needs to have formulas to derive it.
>>24976175What do you propose the agreement to quantify it be based on?
>>24974879Orwell already observed this back in the thirties. It's a fixed characteristic of Marxism.
>>24974879Every other group of people pretends the working class is doing fine, which necessarily means they have to pretend their plebeian degeneracy is 'fine'. Workers don't understand what's good for them at all.
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>>24972427And it Begins....Keep away Wendigooners
>>24972427the kid stuff was kinda gross tho
>>24976589shut up or we will lock you in your own private virtual reality
>>24972427it's self indulgent sludge written by a 'writer'.
this lame ass nigga talkin to hisself
Why is poetry less popular now than it's ever been? And why are people so bad at pronouncing poetry? I've seen poetry professors read poetry as if it was prose and without a hint of self-awareness.
>>24976765But that's been a feature of most education systems, still is in many places.
>>24974465Honest answer, it feels heavily moderated, probably a symptom of the time. Its just sickly and fake feeling. Here is an example.O, Wert Thou in the Cauld BlastO, wert thou in the cauld blastOn yonder lea, on yonder lea,My plaidie to the angry airt,I’d shelter thee, I’d shelter thee.Or did Misfortune’s bitter stormsAround thee blaw, around thee blaw,Thy bield should be my bosom,To share it a’, to share it a’Or were I in the wildest waste,Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24974465>Why is poetry less popular now than it's ever been?Because it's never been easier to add fitting music to it to create a song instead. Songwriting > poetry
>>24976804Music was always used for great poetry, Schubert composed over 600 pieces specifically for poems. But the music was far better then and so was the poetry.
>>24974465Post a poem of heroic virtues. No whining, no yearning, pure He-Man shit.
I need more testosterone filled historical fiction
Sharpe
>>24973522i got bored of this, but if you like Iggulden, then you may as well try his War of the Roses books. But I prefer Cromwell's Arthurian books
>>24973595Isnt War of the Roses just politics?
Bernard Cornwell is the best at this. The Saxon saga is gold.
