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>>24749356
The Fremen are just noise to the Harkonnens, they don't consider them to be a big threat, and don't care. They're just some savages farting around out in the desert while the Harkonnens are reaping massive profits from their palaces in the few cities around the polar region of the planet. Basically the theme is that you have a ~bunch of schemers who are trying to control their little worlds~ and play feudal politics with each other while neglecting the environment.

>>24748448
Everything for Herbert is about the ecology and how humans adapt to their environment. The Harkonnens impose themselves on Arrakis's environment, but the Fremen basically ARE the environment, or the true masters due to their interdependency with it, which is why they can ride worms, which are symbolic of feral nature. The worms are completely wild. The destruction of the empire is literally a force of nature that sweeps them aside once the events start playing out, which does make Dune pretty awesome to read when you're a kid, and the movie did a good job:
https://youtu.be/rL2k3EkyNxY

>>24748839
Well I dunno how "realistic" the world-building is, but as a philosophy, Herbert believed that change is inevitable, but it's very gradual over thousands of years (until it isn't), and he didn't see it as progress. It's more like entropy and growth of complexity. Also the natural condition of human beings is some tribal or feudal structure. So it seems strange that a feudal system has lasted for 10,000 years, but Herbert basically believed that it is the world we live in anyways. But the feudal system in Dune is a really simplified or theatrical version of that belief he had about human social organization.

Also another theme is over-dependence on a single resouce as corrupting everybody. That reminded me of Bougainville in the Pacific, it's technically a part of Papua New Guinea. This happened after the novel, but there was a giant Australian copper mine dug out on the island, and it wrecked the environment, and then the natives rebelled and there was a civil war. But the mine is still there, but it hasn't been tapped in 30 years, and the people are still there.

>>24747204
first:
you don't care about the ants in your garden.
second:
defended against an invasion of the planet by another house.
next question?

>>24747427
Chechens. Dune had long passages ripped off a book about Chechens.

>>24747204
>whole galaxy's main means of quick interstellar travel is 100% dependent on the compound that can only be produced on this one single planet
This is a big secret, genius. If it got out, the Guild would lose its monopoly, and its power.
Instead they co-opted the Fremen to let their spice-smugglers operate in secret, in return for protections and technology.
Try reading the fucking book.

>>24750331
I just refuse to believe such a ridiculously risk-prone system has functioned without issue for thousands of years.

>>24748672
What's the best edition of the Faerie Queene to pick up?

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>>24748672
>hauing dvals
Bumping for this alone.

>>24737414
>>24725025
What's a good place to start with Strindberg?

>>24744334
Svarfdæla is a real saga and it features Karl Karlsson killing at least three children as a way of psychologically torturing the woman who had his father killed. And that's just the beginning of the torture.

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>>24723585
For a surface level overview with one from every country, in terms of cultural significance, Sturluson, Hamsun, Andersen, jansson and Lindgren.

>>24737396
"The Tomten" really annoys me as a translation, doesn't that basically mean "The the tomte".

>>24748470
I’ve only ever heard pretentious artsy women discuss Edith Södergran. Can’t say I’ve ever heard anyone mention Diktonius.

>>24748421
Books for this feel?

>>24748485
spiderman

>>24748042
>le cope
Stopped reading there.

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>>24748421
Big if true.

>>24749423
I read the rest and you absolutely made the right decision.

>>24750040
Yes

>>24750043
Is there any pdf somewhere?

>>24750061
I have in this
https://www.amazon.com/Novalis-Including-Hymns-Night-ebook/dp/B0014KEMSQ?dplnkId=a0a72502-a24f-4968-92c2-ef3398c5d942

Novalis is great

You should read Spiritual Songs too

And perhaps Novices of Sais and then his philosophy if intrigued by former

>>24750015
Christianity as culmination of paganism as well as judaism

>>24750061
Just found it here
https://archive.org/details/criticalmiscella00incarl/page/167/mode/1up

>>24749016
>Paris is Burning
All I can think about is that Cum Town bit about the Italian guy who can't stop accidentally renting gay movies.

>>24749145
I can't wait to watch fuckin' Party Monstah

>>24749016
>we want the same grievance writing we’ve lionized since the 70s
>what a bold and fresh move to keep churning out half a century old talking points
Brave and dare I say powerful.

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>>24749016
Bloom tried to warn us…

>>24749016
Degeneracy.

>>24750175
>>24750213
>second excerpt, for context they're teenaged werewolves. Liam is a normal teen, Theo has murderdoctor skills for lore reasons

He works quickly, cutting away Liam’s shirt and stripping Liam bare to below the waist on automatic. The exit wound is immediately obvious. It is a sucking wet crater, ringed with torn strips of skin and muscle, and pimpled with squishy masses of yellow-red granulation tissue that pulsate with a supernatural vitality. Golden light from Theo’s blazing eyes reflect off the moist clusters as he pushes his fingers gently, firmly in and begins to pull apart, revealing thin, semi-translucent fascia and slick viscera beneath. Already he can tell there’s a problem: the peritoneum has healed poorly and the supracolic compartment is bulging, firm and springy to the touch. Unbidden, a voice burns through his mind.

Diagnosis: Traumatic penetrating injury; abdominal gunshot wound. Multi-organ system involvement, suspected gastric perforation. Risk of ascites and chemical peritonitis. Exploration mandatory.

With his free hand, Theo reaches again for his knife.

The subject’s flesh parts easily under the metal, releasing a bloat of trapped bile, stomach acid, and destroyed fleshy structures into the wound. Theo washes it out as best he can with a water bottle from his gym bag, using clawtips on one hand to hold the flaps of peritoneum apart before reaching in with the other to sever the gastrocolic ligament and lift the stomach up. The posterior wall looks good, although part of it is still the milky-white of undifferentiated regrowth that, before Theo’s eyes, is colouring into stroma and parenchyma, and when he’s satisfied the healing will complete correctly he lets it go. The stomach settles wetly back into its cavity as the two ends of the severed ligament reach out for each other like alien questing hands. Then he moves further down, towards where the buckshot tore through wholesale and left only mince and ribbons behind, using the tip of his knife to separate adhesions and excise granulomas as he goes.

Throughout it all, Theo keeps a careful ear to Liam’s heart, monitoring for a surprise cardiac arrest. The deeper he gets into it the more comfortable he feels. He examines developing arteries and arterioles with growing confidence, but clinical regard, teasing them out to their correct attachment points to the new-grown tissue rather than letting them find their own way, and at the very least it’s something that he knows he’s doing right. Thick rivers of blood form and overflow in the guttered plastic of Theo’s truck bed as he works, but any slight hesitation he feels at pushing his fingers through Liam’s reforming intestines to retrieve lead shot from underneath Liam’s pelvis is moderated by the knowledge that he didn’t get to sleep through it, when it was done to him. Erythropoiesis is one of the most elevated processes in werewolves anyway. Ischemic injury is unlikely - reperfusion a vanishing concern.

>>24750222
the gay furry fanfic posting will continue until morale improves.

but more seriously i am really hungry for feedback on the craft, style, tone, etc. but all i write is this shit and so the only feedback i get from readers is "omgggg yasss i love your theo i need more!!!" which i appreciate but doesn't help me much. even the smallest morsel of educated disdain is water at the end of a thousand deserts, and a thousand deserts more will i travel in my search for just a sliver of your contempt.

>>24750213
>these paras are a thesis statement for the protagonist for how he justifies murdering people as mercy killing
NTA to whom you were talking - if you're going to have gore in your opening paragraphs, you'll have to really outdo it later on because you set the bar that high from the start. Think about the movie "Jaws": Yeah, the girl gets killed by the shark at the beginning, but it's not *super* gory and you don't see the shark in full. The movie builds and builds to greater amounts of on-screen gore until the climax, when you finally see the shark in full and you see that one guy get eaten alive. Consider how much gore you actually need to "show" and how much gore you can merely imply, then figure out how long you can keep going with implication until you need to "show" the gore.

I won't say "cut out all the gore entirely" because if you're trying to set the tone for your story, you'll need at least some gore. But consider how much of it you really need to set the tone. Consider the movie "Freddy vs. Jason" in this regard: Yes, the movie starts with violence (Jason killing a topless woman who was trying to skinny dip at Crystal Lake), but it's a low-level act of violence (he only stabs her in the gut) that is also contextualized (Jason's mind is being fucked with by Freddy while they're both in Hell) to set the stage for the violence to come.

tl;dr - Don't go balls-to-the-wall with the gore out of the gate, but also don't cut it all out until later. Be judicious on how you use violence and gore to set the tone of your story and the expectations of potential readers.

>>24750262
excellent feedback anon, i hadn't considered it from that perspective. gore is a huge part of this story because part of it is deconstructing the PG violence of the show and the other part of it is exploring the protagonist as an utter moral abyss and totally divorced from human sensibility. my hope is that the gore comes across as mundane and flat more than horrifying, in a way.

thank you for replying!

>>24745656
Ubik's fun.
I really liked Time Out of Joint.

>>24747966
Pagan gods are not omnipotent.

>>24749239
I'm not even religious and obviously find this abhorrent, but it should be obvious that this doesn't subvert any arguments. Liberal hedonism has no imagination and so it believes the only metric for ideal goodly living is freedom from worldly suffering. By that argument, comforting numbness is ideal, infinite heroin with no drawbacks would be ideal, death would be ideal.

>>24747966
Donesn't Plato solve this with the One, the forms and demiurge.
The material world is simply imperfect but the best it could be.

god is not required to be comprehensible by mortal minds.

if god is god then right is what god says it is and wrong is what he says it is. that's what it means. he's god.

>"but that's stupid"
agreed.

consider pangloss: "all is for the best in this the best of all possible worlds". if this is the way that the world is, this is the way it has to be. why? who knows. but god is good and this is the world, so therefore this is a good world.

>>24749534
>>24749749
I am inclined to think this way too. I think omnipotent part is the weakest. ancient greeks didn't have omnipotent gods either yet they believed in them to govern things.

>>24749339
I like how you use your reasoning abilities to neuter yourself of basic instincts and inquiries simply because you cannot answer them so the questions themselves must be wrong or incorrect. it's astounding how stupid can people get.

Young adult novel

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>>24745838
>dude what if star wars but super gay

>>24745850
>fat evil depraved guy
Jabba = Baron Harkonnen

>>24745844
>>24745852
star wars retroactively influenced DUNE

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>literally the most retarded thread on /lit/ rn
Congratulations faggots.

>>24749978
>He's just evil and somewhat retarded
So are you but I still tried to answer your question in good faith, you could have at least engaged with the argument I made.
>>24749991
/thread

>>24749978
>>24749952
God I love Pechorin, psycho that he is.

>>24749880
Peter Sellers character in Being There

>>24749891
google

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>>24749880

>>24749880
Cugel the Clever
I can think of only one instance where he does not act with his own self-interest in mind regardless of the consequences to others

>>24749091
>we
Speak for yourself, zoomer.

>>24750186
>normal heterosexual love is 40 year old guys dating 20 year old women
lol ok. in b4 any stupid evopsych babble. dudes who pursue relationships with women who are 15+ years younger than them are mentally stunted

>>24750224
you are trans, and also this is a strawman.

>>24750224
Kek, that anon really hit a nerve, didn't he?

>>24749126
Underrated post

>>24750268
Post nudes. Tits or gtfo

But also there's a good chart on lefty chan but best advice is always bee yourself and follow heart over chart

https://leftychan.net/edu/src/1612207844643.pdf

>>24750284
Don’t be gross, anon, it’s not 2019 anymore.

>>24750296
Meme is like '09, ma'am. I kid, of course, tis a bleuboard and no one wants to see that shit anyway. But why announce you are woman at all? Throw away thy vanity if seek wisdom...

>>24746113
>Will studying philosophy actually grant me wisdom?
No.
>Or will it only grant me knowledge of other men’s opinions?
Yes.
>Will studying Plato’s writing on the soul give me wisdom on the nature of the soul
No.
>or just knowledge of Plato’s opinions on the soul?
Yes.

>>24747144
>>24747955
You're both wrong. No, I won't explain.

Ezra Pound, Canto I

>>24749792
Fagles, obviously.

>>24749792
this is missing Lattimore.

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>mogs all that came before and after

>>24749340
> its embarrassing to a Christian in a Christian culture to own slaves
The bible literally has rules in it for how to correctly beat your slaves. Americans used Christianity as a justification for their slavery as well.

>>24750084
I'm not sure they're defiant about it but maybe.

>>24750100
>rules in it for how to correctly beat your slaves
which are
> And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. 27And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

>>24750220
>if you beat your slave too hard you have to let him go free
Wow, what an enlightened philosophy.

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>>24750280
the Bible says that man-stealers get the death penalty. liberals think enslaving men is good

>>24749494
Maybe, but it also corresponds pretty well to reality in my experience, even if accidentally. Anyway, anon is right. India has basically adopted the western conceptions of eastern religion. Modern day easterners' conception of religion is just the western evangelists' and colonialists' misunderstandings, reappropriated. The ancient depth, meaning and complexity, if it was ever there, is gone.

>>24749494
No i see legit reasons not to like them

>>24749494
they fill up the internet with quantity that degrades it, and many western countries too. Their culture today is also largely connected and americanized. So I wouldn't call the dislike forced.
The comment you're replying to is unwarranted though.

>>24748304
This isn't a thread about his private life. And moralfagging is always just projection.

>>24748606
Jung wasn't a Buddhist, dumbfuck.