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What do you read after these?
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>>24737813
edward douglass fawcett
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acotar
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>>24737813
Deidre Carabine.
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>>24737813
>Boehme
>Eriugena
>multiple Church fathers
In my experience people who go in for stuff like this aren't interested in philosophy they're interested in "mysticism" and a pretentious, narcissistic form of self-help. Also
>no Aristotle
Definitely ngmi. This class of pseuds always shits on Aristotle. There's no way the typical stoner who makes lists like this is actually able to read the Phenomenology of Spirit and you see proof of this in every Hegel thread.

I was quite surprised, after thoroughly reading through the masterworks of this King, by some falsely considered the godfather of nazism, to promote an almost full equality of the female gender and describe the Aryan Germain as an otherwise tolerant, non-nationalistic, unprejudiced towards foreign nations, individualist man who doesn't go to the temples and resents priests with a passion. He wants nothing other than to contribute to his community and who would, if necessary, even sacrifice his life and all his wealth for it. He is a man who does not love authority and who is good to his slaves. Spreading the message of justice and fair government, with violence if necessary, is the true Aryan's sole concern. They lived inside their rural farms, democratically organized under the head of an uninfluential federative King. Unfortunately there are not many of them left, as Gobineau explains in his book. To say of oneself that one is an Aryan, is almost the same as claiming to be a true genius. But who other than a true Aryan would dare to accept such worldview? Combining the idea of racism with a love for all humanity is a step few people dared to make.
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>>24737357
So he described contemporary Swedes
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>>24737357
Wagner played Siegfried’s Funeral March when he died. Wagner who by the way, and perhaps contrary to public perception, had highly tolerant views, siding with the Negro in America and finding their plight touching and of profound significance.
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>>24737559
>Records state that Wagner's conversations with Gobineau during the philosopher's five-week stay at Wahnfried in 1881 were punctuated with frequent arguments. Cosima Wagner's diary entry for June 3rd recounts one exchange in which Wagner 'positively exploded in favour of Christianity as compared to racial theory'. Gobineau believed, unlike Wagner, that the Irish (whom he considered a 'degenerate' race) should be ruled by the English (a Nordic race). The entry for May 18th reads: 'In the evening a quarrel develops between the Count and him about the Irish, whom Gob. declares to be incapable of working. R. becomes very angry, says he would not work under such conditions, either, and he castigates the English aristocracy. The Count goes so far in his ideas as to reproach the Gospels for interceding in behalf of the poor. But it all ends very amicably, R. admits that he does not know the problem in detail, and the Count says to him, “Vous voyez la chose en philosophe et moi en homme d’affaires” [“You view the matter like a philosopher and I like a businessman”].'
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>>24737570
To be fair you don't have to be racist to talk like that. Us Europeans have a lot of prejudice against our neighbours and saying that "the Irish are incapable of working" is like vanilla tier table conversation content.
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>>24737570
What a spiritual protcuck, that Gobbyno

Of all the women in the world why did Lewis marry a Jewish divorcée?
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>>24737485
Herman Hesse did also. It must be a literary thing.
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>>24737492
He fell in love with her after he married her. It is well documented. Also some say they never had sex. I'm not sure about that. Lewis was a weird guy although I like him.
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She moved to the United Kingdom and ended up needing a visa to stay. I'm not sure if she was sick at that time, but I think Lewis said they got married primarily for that reason and it ended up developing into more before her untimely death. It sounds like a put up with some shit too, considering he then adopted her two sons, one of whom was schizophrenic and iirc had random outbursts of violence and ended up in a mental hospital.
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>>24737791
>>24737793
So should I do that as an incel
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Apparently if you follow CS Lewis' advice you end up a shabbos goy to a roast beef yenta

Is there really any difference between spending 2 hours reading a great book vs 2 hours reading a shit book vs 2 hours watching a movie vs 2 hours watching TV vs 2 hours scrolling? Any way you're just killing time, not really accomplishing anything.
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>>24736145
His faggy bf
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>>24736172
NTA but all of those things are incrementally building you into a better person than you were before. A more well-rounded, articulate man who can express his own ideas and the ideas of others which he finds compelling or meaningful.
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>>24736130
Good.
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If you spend any amount of time worrying about how other people think of you and select what you read or watch based on that, you are not worth talking to.
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>>24736099
I wonder if anybody has ever taken a photo of me reading on the tube

I bet someone has

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Am I retarded, or is this text really difficult?
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>>24733006
You got this :). Slow down, contemplate and take your time.
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>>24733006
Some parts are really asinine to read and other parts are just boring, I read only up to Prior Analytics before giving up
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>>24737598
you should have just skipped or skimmed Prior an. Posterior analytics is where it starts to get good.
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IDK, this Boomer I know who knows philosophy really well says Aristotle's logic and ideas on science are completely outmoded. He said the need to posit properties as things is why we got metaphysics, which is just random woo and God talk speculation and that Wittgenstein debunked most of this stuff.

Logic now is apparently much more powerful and better.
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>>24737623
> He said the need to posit properties as things is why we got metaphysics, which is just random woo and God talk speculation and that Wittgenstein debunked most of this stuff.
But Aristotle did not think that properties were things, he exploded that sort of crude metaphysics so thoroughly that he banished it from Western thought, even Platonists got the message. Our logic is more powerful and better in its own sphere but Aristotle's logic has nothing to do with it, it's a philosophical logic like Kant's or Hegel's, mixed up with metaphysics, and in A's case it's really about epistemology not argumentation (Topics and SE excepted obviously). This so-called "Boomer" you know has not read much Aristotle, or probably any pre-20th century thought.

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Is there a greater story in world literature than the story of Christ? The pathos, the love, the wisdom, the tragedy, the resurrection. There is something about the Gospels that is unparalleled in its power to inspire. It is the story of all stories.
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What is so great about it? I found reading the gospels to be rather flat and unaffecting.
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>>24737744
>this isn't something a bunch of writers, much less a bunch of fishermen and workers could invent
I wouldn't use the word invent because I don't believe any religions (with the exception of mormonism) are founded by one person or persons who just came up with a story. However, I do hold the view that the gospel accounts are not eyewitness testimonies but are instead the collation of various memories and oral traditions about Christ from the first century. There are other gospels for example that have not survived such as the Secret Gospel of Mark or the infamous Q source that were not sufficiently preserved. We know very little about what they contained and where they originated from
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>>24736265
Maybe Odysseus or Herakles
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>>24737780
They would be less coherent if they were just that. And even liberal scholars accept a dating as early as 70 AD and this is merely because they can't accept the temple destruction prophecy. Even by the 70 AD there were still a bunch of eyewitnesses of events 40 years prior, this without taking into account st. Paul's early writings

The apostles themselves had disciples as successors and they could easily verify each other's testimonies, same for st Paul and his disciples
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>>24737825
>They would be less coherent if they were just that.
But they're not coherent that's the problem. There are abundant differences between them. Things like the penetinent thief being referred to in one accoutn whereas in others it says both thieves mocked Christ. Or the inconsitences with what Jesus said on the cross and the order in which he said them. There is also contradictions as to how Jesus meets the apostles. John doesn't even agree with the synoptics as to how many years Jesus' ministry lasted

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>Calypso offers Odysseus immortality if he will marry her
>he still says no even though he admits she is way hotter than Penelope

Why?
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>>24734177
Muslim women aren't allowed Christian boyfriends, only the men are allowed Christian girlfriends. Although the whole idea of a 'boyfriend' isn't very Islamic.
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>>24733314
because Penelope is his oneitis duh
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>>24734622
How about the Hittites
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>>24734762
>gets killed by the bastard he fathered with Circe in the lost ending
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>>24733314
What man would want to be with a woman superior to himself (other than a nigger)? Not only that but also one that gave you immortality. What gift could possibly pay that back? She would hate you from day one of the relationship basically and treat you like a garbage can. That's what happens in any relationship if you're a pathetic loser man. The more achievements you made in your life, the more women will respect you. They view men from a purely social lense and, because of their very inferiority complex towards manhood, loser men to them are no more worth than dogs and roaches.
tldr if you want to dominate women make achievements in your life

Xianxia Medicine Edition

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>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

>Advice for Noobs!

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>Worrying over how to tie an old character back into the plot
>Spending all night thinking about it while I write
>In the morning I'm painting my stairs
>The idea finally sinks in perfectly, it even contributes a new hook with lots of potential
>Immediately overwhelmed by relief, and my brain feels like it's been squeezed, then released
Such a good sensation. Post your last good writing feel.
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what are some of the Kaiju plots you have come across in web novels
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>>24737645
>not smart so I can't write some explanations that hang on being realistic on why ugly people are evil or how certain looks denote certain personalities etc.
>see physiognomy or face reading pseudoscience as I browse the net
>basically bullshit my way with this as an explanation
ngl it is fun to write lies as truths in fiction.

I'll be using it to explain how hooked noses may be bad people...
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>>24737041
"Saving the school would have been easier as a cafeteria worker"
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>>24737838
Thanks, I'll take a look.

This is a thread for decadent literature...
Charles Baudelaire
Paul Verlaine
Stéphane Mallarmé
Arthur Rimbaud
Joris-Karl Huysmans
Ernest Dowson
Lionel Johnson
Aubrey Beardsley
Oscar Wilde
John Gray
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>>24737236
only a pervert from Belgium could come up with such things
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>>24737236
He's kino. Don't post that one.
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>>24736958
>decadent literature
So 99.99% of new books for like the past 80 years.
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>>24736970
I expected satanists put more thought into their poetry but it's just:
>le satan, god
>I praise thee
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>>24737470
>In the 1860s Rops had developed an acquaintance with a Madame Duluc and her two young daughters, Aurélie and Léontine Duluc (age 14 and 17 respectively at that time). A few years later, not long before the estrangement from his wife, he began a ménage à trois with the sisters, apparently with their mother's endorsement. He had children with both, although one child died at an early age.
Um, based?

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This was recommended by /lit/. I'm almost done reading it and I think this book has at least 5 or 6 typos, the most of any book I've read so far this year. How does that happen
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>>24737450
Are you enjoying it tho?
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>>24737450
Mythology retold by a woman...
Yeah, anon, good luck.
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>>24737450
Stop buying print-on-demand editions from Indians off of Amazon, Ranjeet.
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>>24737450
Her editor just said "Yeah, haha, looks great." and went back to jacking off.
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>>24737698
It's the mass market paperback version yeah but I got it from a used bookstore

Al Ghazali refutes his contemporary followers of Greek philosophy, asserting that religion and faith in God is superior to philosophy in regards to metaphysics and knowledge of the divine. The 11th century text from a Muslim polymath basically describes my view on Greek philosophy as a Muslim myself, and this book is highly popular in the intellectual circles of Muslim countries like Pakistan. Especially in regards to students of Islamic mysticism.

I reject the polytheist, pederast cult of the ancient Greek philosophers that pervades the ruling class and Western academia (and /lit/) in favor of faith in God and religious studies, which leads us to Al Ghazali's magnum opus: The Revival of Religious Sciences. A subject for another thread.

>Start with the Greeks!

They always say. With such commanding arrogance, as if looking down on you as an unenlighted peon.

>Start with the Greeks!

Thick tomes of indoctrination slammed on the psyche of young liberal arts students, not-to-secretly inlaid with ancient and revolting perversions and cult idol worship. Minerva? Athena? Zeus? I worship God! Not unliving statues! What backwards, primitive nonsense at its foundation, twisted into an image of sophisticated cultural heritage.

>Start with the Greeks!

No! Start with prayer, start with the prophets. Start with the Scripture and read it and re-read it for life. There you will actually find spiritual satisfaction, sufficient answers for sincere truth seekers.

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Ok, but god isn't real.
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>>24737796
You are much less
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>>24737668
Getting lectured on ethics by a Muslim is rich...
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>>24737806
I, at least, am, though.
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>>24737577
They're all retarded, dialectical arguments, exclusively directed against Avicenna who was wrong on many points anyway. Try Averroes' The Incoherence of the Incoherence

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Schopenhauer in "ON THE SUFFERINGS OF THE WORLD" says this:
>I know of no greater absurdity than that propounded by most systems of philosophy in declaring evil to be negative in its character. Evil is just what is positive; it makes its own existence felt. Leibnitz is particularly concerned to defend this absurdity; and he seeks to strengthen his position by using a palpable and paltry sophism. It is the good which is negative; in other words, happiness and satisfaction always imply some desire fulfilled, some state of pain brought to an end.
The TL note says this:
>Leibnitz argued that evil is a negative quality—i.e., the absence of good; and that its active and seemingly positive character is an incidental and not an essential part of its nature. Cold, he said, is only the absence of the power of heat, and the active power of expansion in freezing water is an incidental and not an essential part of the nature of cold. The fact is that the power of expansion in freezing water is really an increase of repulsion amongst its molecules; and Schopenhauer is quite right in calling the whole argument a sophism.

What exactly is the argument here? Why is one of these ideas truer than the other? Why isn't Schopenhauer's conclusion that evil is the positive characteristic a sophistry as well? He just states it as if it's fact. Genuinely trying to grasp this. I can certainly see it being more true than the reverse, but as an absolute truth in regards to everything seems to be an excessive conclusion.
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>>24737006
doesn't he think it's a good idea to deny the will and be an ascetic monk
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Finally, after months of arguing with you faggots, something we can agree on. I won't even suggest Schoppie is plagiarizing because I know that niggie didn't get past page 5 of the Logic.

"Nothing, it is said, is only the absence of being, darkness thus only the absence of light, cold only absence of heat, and so on. And darkness only has meaning in relation to the eye, in external comparison with the positive factor, light, and similarly cold is only something in our sensation; on the other hand, light and heat, like being, are objective, active realities on their own account, and are of quite another quality and dignity than this negative, than nothing. One can often find it put forward as a weighty reflection and an important piece of information that darkness is only the absence of light, cold only absence of heat. About this acute reflection in this field of empirical objects, it can be observed that darkness does in fact show itself active in light, determining it to colour and thereby imparting visibility to it, since, as was said above, just as little is seen in pure light as in pure darkness. Visibility, however, is effected in the eye, and the supposed negative has just as much a share in this as the light which is credited with being the real, positive factor; similarly, cold makes its presence known in water, in our sensations etc., and if we deny it so-called objective reality it is not a whit the worse for our doing so. But a further objection would be that here, too, as before, it is a negative with a determinate content that is spoken of, the argument is not confined to pure nothing, to which being, regarded as an empty abstraction, is neither inferior nor superior. But cold, darkness, and similar determinate negations are to be taken directly as they are by themselves and we shall then see what we have thereby effected in respect of their universal determination which has led them to be introduced here. They are supposed to be not just nothing but the nothing of light, heat, etc., of something determinate, of a content; thus they are a determinate, a contentful, nothing if one may so speak. But, as will subsequently appear, a determinateness is itself a negation, and so they are negative nothings; but a negative nothing is an affirmative something. The conversion of nothing through its determinateness (which previously appeared as a determinate being in a subject thinker, or in some other form) into an affirmative, appears to the consciousness which is fixed in the abstraction of the understanding as the acme of paradox; the insight that the negation of the negation is something positive, simple as it is, or rather because of its very simplicity, appears as a triviality to which haughty understanding need pay no heed..." - Hegel SoL 168 (cont'd)
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>>24736599
Why are you still reading Schopenhauer when you yourself admit that we have refuted him? Read Fichte.
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>>24737762
Fichte anon...is that you?
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>>24737783
Hello fren. We have to find a way to reach these Schloppie kids, they're going to ruin their life :(

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>the child hates their father because the father has taken the one true love of the child, their mother
Does anyone else think this is massive projection from Freudy-chan? Because I don't feel this way and no one I know feels that way
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>>24737732
midwits are more comfortable thinking sexuality spontaneously emerges, fully formed, at the legal age of consent in their country, rather than consider the actual stages of development in children and their implications on the individual once they are older.
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>>24734358
He wasn't projecting, Freud was a doctor and he based his theories on his analysis of his patients. But creating theories about the normal human psyche on the basis of the mentally ill is obviously pants-on-head retarded, because the mentally ill are by definition abnormal.
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>>24734358
I did. I distinctly remember when my parents got into a major fight and I was imagining their divorce, choosing to stay with my mom because she'd be easier to ignore when mad. That never happened, I was fresh out of grade school
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>>24737740
>justifying noncery
So what religion were you raised in?
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>>24737760
Midwit detected

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Best friends ed.
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>>24737652
You are gay.
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>>24737694
No... I take it back. I'm adrift in an ocean.
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>>24733716
Nick Land is a retard.
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>>24737652
any guy that talks to his exes is a complete imbecile loser trash
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>>24733716
Imagine finding yourself an Aryan wife and become a rancher "colonizer style" in SA. Isolated from the urbanites and pretty much everyone else, save other farmers, for the ranch will provide with everything necessary through nothing but hard labour only. You would never have to deal with plebs or government again. Think about it.

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>reddit gives shit feedback
>my friends have lives to live
>a blog wouldn't get any views
>ao3 audience wouldn't like me
>same with wattpad/royal road
>not good enough for a magazine

Other than /lit/, where does one post to get readers and good feedback? Also tell me about your favorite short story writers, I'm looking for interesting artists. Add a short pitch if you're up for it, or not.

I can't post any writing because I've got nothing that wouldn't identify me.
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>>24736673
>Why do you want feedback?
To get better. Also to learn more about how writers operate, as I have no formal training. Most good writers do. I'm not vying to become one of the greats, but I enjoy reading, and it's tough to understand just enough to see artistry but too stupid to learn and perfect your own work.

Most importantly though, the few times I've gotten feedback have drastically improved my writing, and I want more of that.

>>24737169
Interesting. I feel that with my friends sometimes. Unfortunately, I'm not well versed enough with the nuts-and-bolts to make those decisions on my own; I'm still struggling with basics and need feedback to point out my big shortcomings.

>>24737220
I guess I could try this. I was under the impression that getting published was extremely hard and that your work had to be flawless to even be considered.

>>24736687
Thanks, my friend.
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>>24737169
I think you shouldn't trust one person feedback. It's much better to have a big sample of people feedbacks, and then trying to find common criticisms between them. If many people have the same complain, it's likely a real flaw.
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>>24736680
I could but it seems to me that, with how much I still have left to learn, paying a professional is something to do once I sort out the bigger issues with my writing. Their training is better suited for spotting errors with my rhythm and flow, not the fact that I use adverbs too frequently.

>>24737265
That sounds unusual but I'll look into it.

>>24737300
>IRL workshop groups are very hit or miss
This is what I've heard too. Same with dedicated workshopping sites.

>So cook up something non personally identifiable and post it.
I could try that, yeah, I've been meaning to take part in the contests.

>GL with your writing, OP.
Thanks!

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>>24736558
You should learn Latin and ancient Greek. Why? I don't know but all the greats studied those languages which implies a correlation worth of an investigation. It's also likely not a coincidence that the average writer wrote significantly better in the past.
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>>24736558
I mean, of course blog wouldn't get any views if you don't have a blog. I suppose you need to reach out through different channels and hand-pick people interested in writing who also aren't too cringe and cultivate a relationship, as you would with friends.
I'm lead to believe that a platform like a blog is the only way you are making it in todays market anyway.

Also, I'm confused about you being afraid of doxing, yet wanting readers


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