if you don't own this in 2025, you don't love literature.
>>24968736>you WILL support amazon my kindle is second hand>you WILL make digital purchases nope. Anna's and MAM>you WILL keep spyware on you at all times jailbroken + have not turned on the wifi on it even once>you will own NOTHING (and enjoy it)I don't know anon, my library of epubs and its 3 separate backups would argue otherwise try again, or better yet learn a thing or two about how to use technology to your advantage
>>24966640>>24966646I've had my Kobo Nia since 2020 and it's kept chugging along. Not sure what the fuck you guys are doing lol
>>24970953>i duct taped my face
>>24966046I bought my first kindle around 2012 when i was 18 and i lost it in 2018 when i forgot it in a bus when i was traveling around europe. I bought it again in 2023. I only have positive experiences with it. It does its job well. I never bought an ebook for it. I dont know whats the deal with jailbreaking it, i never saw the need for that. I love the fact that so many books are easily available with it, most of which arent available in physical copies.Lately I've been getting physical books cause I learned to like reading physical books and having them on my bookshelfI like the fact that the screen is e-ink so its not so tireing on eyes like the smartphone screen
>>24966302My kobo clara bw developed dead pixels right in the middle after the first ever full charge so dark mode is completely unusable now. it’s only 18 days old basically new so i rewrapped it and gave it to my dumb as fuck 13 yr old nephew for christmas so he can read one piece better.
Kind of impressive that a man can profess Marxism for decades, study it to its entirety comfortably from the ivory tower of a cushy position in literal Marxist academia under a Communist regime, finding out from a sympathetic position everything that there is to be found about Marxism from its earliest proponents to its latest ones, the least and the greatest, only to eventually arrive at the conclusion that... it's all fundamentally wrong and can never workI mean when even this guy with all his sympathy and effort gave up, it's telling, isn't it?
>>24971998>despite being 100% correct about everythinglmaooooo
>>24972019Came here to post this
>>24971725That the proletariat and revolution have anything to do with each other.The fact that not 1 (one) proletariat class rose up is THE fundamental flaw. All others are tertiary weakness. No prole uprisings = mechanism of action as described is false = theory is invalid.Full stop.It is to Marxism what someone building a time machine, going back in time and not finding any man named Yeshua/Jesus living in the Levant performing would be to Christianity. You can have later theories (copes) which are aesthetically similar and borrow terminology, but they are to Marxism (to continue the analogy, because I suspect this is the most profitable route to travel for maximum seethe) what Mormonism is to Christianity.
>>24971707I generally agree with Marx that the profit made from the production of a value is that money stolen from the worker. But I disagree with the alternative, which is planned economy, economy is a very complex autonomous ecosystem like the bug life in a jungle. Everyone is doing their own little thing and the whole is not directed by anybody. So controlled economy is a failure. I’m personally a fan of ordoliberalism.
>>24971794Even if your demented rambling were correct, this would still disprove the labor theory of value since Marx's claim is that value is derived *objectively, ineluctably* from labor – which is demonstrably false.
So what did everyone get for Christmas?picrel is the kindle book hauls I got, plus I got 125 dollars in Barnes & Noble credits, which I'm probably to use to get some Marx, Smith, Hegel, and Tocqueville and maybe others, possibly a history of China or something. I also got tons of coffee, some food items and a few articles of clothing. more to come.
>>24971881*peak patrician zoomer
>>24971755I hate those Pynchon covers
I'm pretty happy
aiming for one a monththen it's my birthday and I can get more
>>24970926Only two this year but I'm happy with them
what was the best book you read this year?
>>24972363>Surah of the CowWhat were they thinking?
>>24972383Basically that.The Mishnah is a nightmare to read from cover to cover, though if you've already read some Talmud it shouldn't come to you as a suprise.Happy reading.
>>24972388Ah, okay. Sorry, I guess we were just talking past each other. 4chan probably isn't the best place to talk about these kinds of topics lol. I'm fairly well versed in both Talmud and Mishna, sorry if our exchange seemed off. Have a good one.
>>24971807Your loss, moron
>>24971290Finally got around to reading pic rel and thought it was fantastic.
>That only can be called science (wissenschaft) proper whose certainty is apodictic: cognition that can merely contain empirical certainty is only improperly called science. A whole of cognition which is systematic is for this reason called science, and, when the connection of cognition in this system is a system of causes and effects, rational science. But when the grounds or principles it contains are in the last resort merely empirical, as, for instance, in chemistry, and the laws from which the reason explains the given facts are merely empirical laws, they then carry no consciousness of their necessity with them (they are not apodictically certain), and thus the whole does not in strictness deserve the name of science; chemistry indeed should be rather termed systematic art than science.-Kant, Metaphysical Foundations of Natural Science, Preface
>>does science improperly
>>24971443>>free-wheels inductively from presuppositions to desired ends>>calls it knowledge anywayANY technology immediately refutes Kant, it is enough to make you wonder how someone who knows how to write, could actually twist themselves to write so ignorantly in praise of ignorance of how writing is possible
>>24970908but but Kant said the critique of pure reason is to old metaphysics like chemistry is to alchemy...what now did he mean by that ?if chemistry is systematic art ?wouldnt he call the critique a science ?
>>24972475(°□°)︵ ━ AHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>24972475no nononono this can't be. this can't be. no fuck i can't breathe. i can't breath. [...........!!!!!!!!]
This is better than War and Peace.The only issue I have with it was not making a small note at the end, one small paragraph even, that the veterans of the War went to Rio de Janeiro and created there the very first Favela
>>24970937He has a natural style, and you're missing out, but I've read a Romanian translation. Maybe English, being a more streamlined language, makes it sound Kafkaesque.
bump
>>24970937Go back to your sanderson buttplugs, faggot.
>>24968973How hard is it to read in spanish?
another line that seems a bit forced>Things that were understandable because they had been vaguely known since time immemorial, things taken in along with the milk of one’s mother’s breast.
No one on this board has anything interesting or useful to say. There’s nothing to be gained from reading the your posts. No books I haven’t heard of, and no unique insights I can’t find elsewhere.I guess it’s just in your nature to drive away any actual discussion in favor of shitflinging and circlejerking the same 5 topics over and over. Bunch of bitter losers that fancy themselves fart huffing elitists.
>>24972297ChurchofBedrock.aternos.meMinecraft Server
>>24972297What exactly are you adding to the conversation, because it seems like you're just whining like a little bitch.
>>24972305>deep friedAll of it.
>>24972297>There’s nothing to be gained from reading the your posts. No books I haven’t heard of, and no unique insights I can’t find elsewhere.You just reached the level of culture of the average /lit/izen (which is low), and now rightly see that this place has nothing to offer (anymore). That and also the fact that over the past 10 years this website has been invaded by normalfags.You might still come here hoping to recreate those experiences of coming across esoteric books/knowledge/topics like when you were new to /lit/erature. You have also probably matured from wanting to flex your knowledge at random internet strangers. Therefore it's time to realize that you should focus on reading more books instead of ever wasting time on this board again. The bibliography section of books are all the recs you need.Happy New Year.
>>24972399And yet here you are.
ruins edition FAQ:>What is worldbuilding?Worldbuilding is the process of creating entire fictional worlds from scratch, all while considering the logistics of these worlds to make them as believable as possible. Worldbuilding asks questions about the setting of a world, and then answers them, often in great detail. Most people use it as a means of creating a setting or the scenery for a story.>"Isn't there a Worldbuilding general in >>>/tg/ already?"Yes, there is. However, that general is focused on the creation of fictional worlds for the intended purpose of playing TTRPG campaigns. Here you can discuss worldbuilding projects that are not meant to be used for a roleplaying setting, but for novels, videogames, or any other kind of creative project.>"Can I discuss the setting of my campaign here, though?"If you want to, but it would probably be better to discuss it on >>>/tg/ . We don't allow the discussion of TTRPG mechanics, however. If you want to discuss stats or which D&D edition is best, this is not the place.>"Can I talk about an existing fictional setting that is not mine?"Yes, of course you can!>"Does worldbuilding need to be about fantasy and elves?"Worldbuilding, as already stated above, and contrary to what many believe, does not inherently imply blatantly copying Tolkien. In fact, there are many science-fiction setting out there, and even entire alternative history settings which do not possess supernatural elements at all. Any kind of science fiction book has an implied setting at least, which involves a certain degree of worldbuilding put into it.Old thread: >>24868365
>>24970041>Are there any prominent ruins, abandoned places or remains of great cities in your setting?Main setting is basically a portal fantasy. Certain portals aren't just sealed off, but have whole fuck off dungeons to kill off anyone who isn't very strong or clever from getting anywhere near portals that lead to dangerous places. Which leads to>Have there been any kind of large scale disasters in your setting?The main portals sealed in this way lead to "the land of the immortals". The Immortals were absurdity powerful mages who eventually warped and twisted the main realm they existed on during the Assertion War.Now it's a chaotic wasteland filled with monsters, mutants, and deadly dungeons filled with the most forbidden of forbidden bits of knowledge and magic in the multivers. I am basically saving this info for the very end of the book I am currently working on.A last revelation and explanation of why the vampire lord is where he is and what event was powerful enough to force him into torpor (vampire death sleep).Basically he used to live in the same realm as the Immortals, nearly died and watched everything he loved or cared about be destroyed in seconds due to the indirect effects of two of the Immortals fighting during the Assertion War, and with his last remaining strength ran through a portal that he sealed behind him, made a few minions to set some stuff up in the new world, and then dropped nearly dead in a sarcophgos to very slowly recover and await a point in time when the Immortals are gone.Beyond that most ruins get reused in pretty short order by someone or something. Nothing stays truly abandoned for all that long.
>>24971962Then it would never get build.
>>24971965Something like that should be highly dependent on the rest of the setting.Like if I started describing wuxia style temples with cultivation as a center piece of the culture and influences but you are writing a urban fantasy set in the near future my input would be useless. I say decide what fits your setting then look at real world architecture for inspiration.It's simple, relatively quick, and works unless your world is very weird. In which case use other inspiration, like natural forms or artwork that hits a similar vibe you are going for.
>>24970041>What's theatre like in your setting? Are there any great acting troupes performing the equivalent of Shakespeare?No because I don't feel like writing that shit and theater kids always annoyed me as a kid as brown nosing attention whores who would do literally anything for external validation. The fuck does this question have to do with the rest?
English is such a shit language. For me the nail in the coffin for English was when I learned that the problem of ambiguity between argument and explanation, where all you have to disambiguate is context, which they talk about in logic books, is not something which is universal in logic, but rather is a problem of English. Other languages don't have this problem. English is a low IQ language. All it's good for is dumbing down the masses.
>>24970466Did you even read my post? No. Do you even know what a cognate is, no.
>>24970466>>24970481Imagine sitting here on Christmas day, at this time so early and debating language.
>>24970466And you also didn't click my link, which says:>Romanian 24 weeks>French 30 weeks>German 36 weeksfor an English speaker to reach the same levelThis is Foreign Service Institute data.You have more cognates in German, but the grammar is harder to learn and that cancels out the cognates, making German overall more difficult for an English speaker, making it take more time to reach the same level of proficiency. French is easier to learn than German.
>>24965277>>24966373>english is such an illogical, unclear language that all anglo philosophers have to become hyper autistic analytics to compensate.>french and german are so clear that continental philosphers have to become hyper-obscurantists to compensate
>>24969937>I'm too retarded to appreciate that a native speaker's intuition invalidates the obsessive, hyper-autistic nonsense I've been seething over, so here is my attempt to mock someone else's opinion.
I have been reading Chinese classics lately and finished this one. Out of all of the ones I've read so far, this has to be the greatest.Has /lit/ read traditional Chinese classics like Romance of the 3 kingdoms, Journey to the west, Dream of Red Chamber, Investiture of the Gods, and others?
>>24970597which one was raise the red lantern based on? that was probably zhang yimou's best movie
>>24971144Wives and Concubines
>>24970749You're reading translations so it doesn't matter anyway. 看不懂中文就没法享受到三国演义字眼的美丽和贴切。>>24970597>>24970725True and correct takes. Those classics are also like 100 chapters and most Chinese people don't read them they only know the stories through TV and films. No Chinese person will ever tell you to actually READ journey to the west they tell you to watch the film.Philosophy like zhuangzi mengzi Confucius etc is worth reading but it's in classical Chinese which is not the same as modern Chinese and most Chinese people today need translations or a lot of footnotes to understand it.
>>24970597>The 4 classic Chinese novels aren't classicsShut the fuck up lol
>>24966715so excited to see someone else posting this. stephen owen is a great scholar and i love his fidelity as a translator.
Do you prefer Sophocles or Euripides?
>>24967390Eupolis because I think it's amusing he got murdered by Alcibiades for calling him a tranny
>>24967900Antigone is such an interesting story though, hard not to be with a plot that interesting.
>>24967498With what they were doing I make this modern comparison. Sophocles is like classic Hollywood (ie Gone with the wind and 1930s romances and dramas) while Euripides is new Hollywood (godfather, revisionist westerns, crime movies of 70s). What they are doing is so completely different it is insane to rate one against another.
Euripides is too much of a smug redditor to hold a candle to the sublimity of either Sophocles or Aeschylus.
>>24967390>Sophocles wrote more than 120 plays, but only seven have survived in a complete formAnyhow, I prefer Euripides because I'm biased. I think he was the first Greek dramatist I read when I was a kid.
Renaissance edition>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·>>24914151>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw>Mέγα τὸ ANE·https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg>Work in progress FAQhttps://rentry dot co/n8nrkoAll Classical languages are welcome.
>>24970000The Divine Comedy was like the Costco of literature back in its day.
μακάριον γενέθλιον ὦ /κλγ/ίται! διηγεῖσθ' ἅ 'ποιῆσατ' ἢ ' φάγετε σήμερον· ἐγὼ δὴ τηθίδ' ὁμίλησα ξὺν τοῖς τοκεῦσιν καὶ πόλλ' ἔφαγον ἥδιστα ὧν ἦν τράγος ἐξωπτημένος, βοῦς ἡψημένος κἀπιχώριόν τι ὄψον ἐκ βοείου ζωμοῦ τ' ἄρτου τε καὶ τυροῦ οὖ τοὔνομ' οὔκ ἐστιν εἰπεῖν Ἀττικιστί· ὦν πλὴν καρποὶ καὶ τραγημάτιαδεήσει μετὰ τοσούτων δείπνων τὸ θρυλούμενον νηστεύειν τι!
one thing I heard a few times is that it's rather the Greeks who were kinda alien, it's from the Romans onwards that we start to be able to see ourselves more
Is Wheelock's Latin recommended? I remember using Cambridge in school. Unsure if I'd like the lingua latina method. I like textbooks
>>24969193>Opinions on old norse?þat er gott mál>>24969446in theory you could 'learn' it, but it's a reconstructed language, and you'd probably taint your output with too much modern idiom etcit'd be a philological exercise rather than true language learning and your only use of it would be to make educated guesses on what an attested word in a descending language would have looked like in PGmc
So I am reading Alcibiades and Socrates says the education and lineage of the kings of Persia is superior. This has been bothering me for a while, in quite a few greek texts Ive read (from Xenophon and Plato, or from Xenophon, Plato, and wrongly attributed to Plato) they show some admiration for the Persians and recognize some superiorities, I thought Greeks were extremely chauvinistic and saw all non greeks as inferior.
>>24971785Why does this look like Nick Mullen?
>The Stoics taught the doctrine that Hellenes and barbarians were equal in that they were the children of the same gods. A hundred years after Alexander, Eratosthenes could say:>"They are wrong who say that mankind is divided into Hellenes and barbarians; one had better distinguish men according to excellence or depravity, for many Hellenes are morally corrupt and many barbarians morally noble like the Indians and Aryans, and also Romans and Carthaginians with their remarkable political organization.">From here it was but a short step to the glorification of the barbarians. This was in part motivated by a longing for inchoate conditions of life, a longing found at times in the late and highly refined periods of every culture, and it is significant that one expects to find such conditions in lands far away. At that time it was fashionable to single out the primitive people in Homer and Aeschylus, like the glorious Hippemolgoi, the law-abiding Scythians, or the Abioi, a fabulous tribe of the north and the most just of all peoples, for even in early antiquity men knew the central portions of the world so well that they sought goodness and happiness on its margins. Such notions gradually turned into rationalizations. The barbarians were supposed to have profound religious insight; in the temple of Asclepius in Aegium a Sidonian contended in the presence of Pausanius that the Phoenicians understood divine matters better than the Greeks did. Whereas formerly the fabulous Hyperboreans had been credited with a prodigious piety, now barbarians in general were praised for their piety, in contrast to the growing godlessness of the Greeks. Finally, the barbarians were considered to be morally superior; the late Greek thought of his own nation much as Machiavelli did of the Italians. And the inevitable conclusion was that if the barbarians were depraved, the Greeks had corrupted them.t. Burckhardt
>>24971882It’s actually because the Delian league kicked their sand nigger asses back to the pile of sand where they belong and they coped so hard they became muslims (Persian for “submissive one” similar to a concubine)
>>24972374Jacob Burckhardt?
>>24972457yes
What's the lost books you'd most have liked to read? For me, it's >Hecataeus' Periodos ges, precursor to Herodotus>Alcmaeon of Croton's medical works>Pherecydes of Syros' Heptamychos
>>24971869>Epicurus' Concerning the Gods, On Music, On Nature
>>24971869The entirety of the Epic Cycle
My diary desu
a dream journal i kept in 2015
Was he right? What comes after the Faustian civilization?
>>24971488We had these conversations centuries ago. We came to the conclusion that church and state should be separate and to enforce rule of (secular) law under a single constitution. Creating laws for each individual or even just the myriad of different groups of people foolish and impractical. I do appreciate you showing all of us how conniving and aggressive Islam really is.
>>24970407>Currently there's a huge unresolved question in Islam with regards to it's evolving synthesis with Western society. So literally what I said? All the inward questions are answered, all the forms are already set in place. And the only problems are how to react to external eventualities. Which they are admittedly rather adept at doing. Fundamentalist Islam is just a re-stating of old maxims in response to a new encroaching civilization. Not even the explosive ISIS like movements are unprecedented. They actually kind of remind me of certain extinct Shia groups, or the Almohads, or Sufi messianists, etc.It all goes back to the past, to tradition, and the way things were done then. >Something I would like to see, personally, is a greater pluralism towards civil law, allowing for Shariah courts to manage issues like inheritances, contracts, marriage and divorce. Very Magian, I reckon you are an arab and not a convert, yes?If so, you are just hoping to reproduce the Ghetto living natural to your culture. Sunni muslims here practicing muslim law, Christians there, Shias over there, etc. Religious Jews do it a lot too. >>24970682I don't know, I like Liszt, and do not think one should ignore the role Poland had in medieval HRE politics. And anyway, my heuristic for whether a specific European ethnicity or state was/is part of Faustian Europe is this: Did they natively participate in the reformation? If yes, then they are Faustian, if not, then they are not. Incidentally, it seems to exclude the Gaelic Irish. But that means it works.
>>24972079Finally, someone who gets what I am proposing.Convert, but from a very Magian strain of Germanic culture; a breed of conversos that never fully integrated into the modern world (but were early and energetic participants in the reformation, ironically). You're right about the Ghetto living, in the absence of meaningful nation states (which admittedly aren't coming back, that question was settled in 1945) the medieval Ghettos are the most immediately applicable way to reintroduce community and meaning into the West.It's notable that Indian Reservations, another form of primitive communitarianism, is one of the only places in Western countries that has managed to maintain replacement birthrates and even grow. The Chinese hukou system is another interesting concept which Westerners haven't even begun to grapple with.
>>24972139>It's notable that Indian Reservations, another form of primitive communitarianism, is one of the only places in Western countries that has managed to maintain replacement birthrates and even grow.What? Don't Injuns have abysmal birth rates?
>>24972139>Convert, but from a very Magian strain of Germanic culture;(Turkish migrant, second generation)
