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>>97217938

One aspect of the space opera genre in Black Vans that I find goofy, in a good way, is how even the lowest-powered (but still, of course, capable of mowing down goons due to the goon combat rules), just-a-bit-more-than-mortal characters are capable of toppling an interstellar empire in a fairly short amount of time. They do not even need the backing of a full-on rebellion.

Somewhat like Star Wars, except taken to a more blatant extreme.

Sick thread, been looking to get into Deviant for a while, thanks for all the info

Is it possible to 'deconstruct' a different splat with Deviant? Basically making a dude that has all the powers and weaknesses of a vampire, but it's not a vampire? Like, a lab-made recreation of what a vampire should be like

>>97217920
> A new supplement, Black Vans, has been in playtesting for a while, and is currently being previewed.

I thought paradox had pulled the plug on CofD from onyx path in '24

>>97261986
The author took it to the Storyteller’s Vault as “fan material”. The digital store.

>>97260291
Most older formats have significantly less skill expression than standard but if you mention this around Edison players they'll seethe for weeks.

>>97260859
Then it's the latter case.
>Format isn't solved
>Meta is exactly 8 decks
I'm going to say that this is close enough to be the former though.

>>97261702
It should be noted that out of those 8 decks most of them have variants. Gadgets has a T.G. variant and a Machina variant, The Agent has a pure variant and a T.G. Variant. Decks that make use of the Plant Engine (Lonefire/Bulb/Spore/Dandy) have multiple variants from Junkdoppel to Lightsworn Plants and Dark Plants, HERO Beat can be played with either Thunder King Rai-Oh as the focus or maxing out Bubblemans to perform quick XYZ plays. Six Samurai has a variant that abuse Ascetism or one that is a better suited for longer games that capitalizes on Yaichi and Hand. Dark World can be played with a focus on draw spells to use Virus and win from the advantage they provide or another one that is more appropiate for grind games.

>>97261897
Mm. I don't interact with the format so I was mostly saying that as an outsider looking in. That does mean that it's just the fact that the game was more simplified in that state and most of the people going there are almost certainly looking for an easier experience. Master Duel and the current format on the other hand will change with every new release, and most of the people touching it will be adapting with every new release.

>>97262116
Maybe what I truly lack is deep knowledge regarding the decks I play against in Master Duel and how to sequence properly against them. In that older format I´m certainly more familiar with the intention of each deck and how the matchups go.

>>97256794
Man, that's a tough one.
Maybe a bit off an older tank or bunker miniature?

>>97256794
On the smallest scales the easiest thing is usually to just sculpt it out of putty. The details are gonna be a bit blobby regardless of the method and it's easy. Otherwise get some tiny tank kits like flames of war. Those are shockingly good for kitbashing with mechs.

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>>97250544
my setting has the players fight as civilian monster hunters (ala a civilian militia), and they're all incentivized to customize their mechs for branding to receive better recognition and contracts, so it greatly varies based on region and personal aesthetics. Some people use the parts as they come, while some come up with shit that makes them look like they're 12. It doesn't help there are widespread artisan-mechanic guilds that are paid to do this work with specialized tools and materials. The military itself uses basic muted colors for their mechs or camo, and leaders get a special mark to distinguish them.

>read about cool battletech game about giant robots fighting robots
>try to find rulebooks for it
>no thats for an rpg game set in battletech universe
>no thats for mordheim set in battletech universe
>no thats for simplified combined warfare wargame set in battletech universe
What rulebook is about giant robots fighting giant robots?

>>97262144
>no thats for mordheim set in battletech universe
What which one is that? Sounds cool.
Anyway the A Game of Armored Combat rulebook is a godo place to start, gets you the basics. Further up the chain are the battlemech manual, which goes over all things mech and total warfare which goes over which goes over all things mech and not mech

Eldar boy feet

Who was the naughtiest anon this year? Who was the nicest?

>>97262130
>bad
obvious
>good
no clue. maybe GK anon he seems kinda positive.

>>97261970
>4 tiles
I don't know how much of that paint you need for the effect to work but I would imagine that this is a particularly expensive option. I'm sure it works great on a small scale, I just don't know how viable it is for so much surface area

>>97262130
Nicest anons are the communitykings. Naughtiest anon doesn't need to be said

>>97248009
>what's the difference between having fun with your friends and watching other people have fun with their friends?
What's the difference between fucking a woman and watching porn? The world would be slightly better if you died.

>>97260150
No, I think that was you. I just like the memes and find humourless killjoys like you to be unbearable

>>97260543
>No U!!
Lol. Lmao. Lmfao. Again.

>>97261861
Yes, you

>>97262154
man you have been absolutely buck broken, its not even fun anymore. but it is funny.

>>97261847
It's not semantics to know how to use english so you aren't having a hyperbolic meltdown because a company doesn't think about you at all

>>97261390
It's okay, that's what I specialize in too so I recognized the potential

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>>97261750
>>97261765
Rocking like it's 2002, it's the rebirth of Magi Nation.
Printing the Traitors Reach expansion that had been designed and art commissioned but never published as the original company folded.

Did something happen? Did every crypto bro jump from pokemon and mtg to one piece? I heard the game is digimon levels of bad gameplay.

>digimon
>bad

>>97261906
>>97261917
It‘s one of the easier clans to imitate. Also, I have a raging hardon for the salubri (the knightly dark ages kind), and this is my attempt at recreating the training that samiel undertook when he first walked the way of the warrior.

>>97262077
Why not just pretend to be a Salubri?

>>97262092
Because they are very obscure and still hunted by the tremore and their ilk, if I‘m not mistaken.

>>97262111
I suppose a Salubri embracing you and fucking up is near impossible given they're diablerists yeah. A Gangrel is comparatively a lot more likely.

>>97262124
>given they're diablerists yeah.
Not in the conventional way though. The Seven force their childer to diaberize Them after reaching golconda. There are always seven salubri, but it's always a different set of salubri with each generation(not the vampire kind, they've all stayed the same vampire generation for obvious reasons).
Still don't understand Why the fuck they do it though. The entire scene feels like a fucked up comedy no matter how I look at it.
>Elder Sal:"Here's vampire enlightenment my child"
>Childer: "Thank you sire, I will always endevor-
>Elder Sal:"Now hold that thought, I need to traumatize you for unlife."

>>97258568
>>97258815
I second GURPS.

>>97258572
Thanks as always.

>>97261869

g0f1le /d/dmeyrB

>>97259152
Should still be here
/d/rPwgNi

>>97259174
look into /hwg/ thread

>>97253060
Cannot wait for the kickstarter on that one, it’s gonna be a highly successful one considering how the funding for wares blade went (funded in less than 10 minutes)

looking for city of winter digital version

>>97254468
>having to declair your own victory
I accept your concession.

I like mutants with multiple limbs and eyes, make it look more like birth defects.
Anthro mutants on their own are lazy furfagbait, if it's genetic freaks made by a mad scientist a la Dr. Monroe I'm far more tolerant.

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>>97257071
It's interesting how you can automatically tell when an animal is mutated or suffering from genetic diseases. Healthy creatures have a natural beauty to them even when they're dangerous predators or old as shit.

Abominations and mutants should instinctually unnerve you when you look at them.

>declair
>no u
Cringe.

>>97257506
I think Warhammer had to say there was something unnaturally off about mutants to avoid the potentially risky Oldhammer lore that people with sixth toes would be killed alongside Asian people as Chaos mutants.

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>>97257603
kek

>>97255850
>whatever you could personally imagine
why would i waste my excellent, genius imagination on this generic redundant shit? i could also have imagined something even if they didn't write this

>>97256036
Imagine

>>97257861
Then go ahead, sir, demonstrate your imagination right now

FFG fluff was incredibly lazy in terms fo structure and answers. "OOOH LE EBIN BLACK SUN!" (it's whatever you want and no we won't give you any answers ever)

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Looking at all these games played list it reminds me of games that were very popular at one point but I'm not sure if they're getting played anymore.
The teo that jump to my mind are Teotihuacan and Stationfall. Anyone stll plays these? Has your opinion on them changed over time?
>What games that were a hit at one time do you think are now completely forgotten / you did a complete 180 on them.

>>97261637
>Teotihuacan
I had the misfortune of playing that recently. It's long, it's boring, and it's surprisingly chaotic.

>>97261637
I don't remember theotihuacan being popular here tbqh. Stationfall, in my opinion, is kinda neat but suffers too much from being in a really fucking weird niche. It's almost a party game, but you don't really want too many people playing it. It feels like a lightweight game that still needs a 45 min teach. It creates hilarious stories, but doesn't offer statisfying gameplay. Stationfall is somewhat of a conundrum and is probably the best game in existence for the right people, but there's not that many of them.

Ohgodohgodohgod only 2 days before i start my nonewgames year long challenge, this is worse than the time i tried nofap *cuts to flashback*

>>97262138
If you order 17 games right now but some of them arrive after New Year's does that count?

>>97262125
Damn you're just stupid then huh
>CONFIRMED can't with the bant
Yep yep! Fake ass /mcyoag/cel! Maybe /cyoag/ or j*mpchain is more your speed...

>>97262094
What power?

>>97262125
>I struggle to imagine the absolute drivel, the filth you'd have to wade through day after day.
I just learned to follow post chains and only skim the stuff I don't care about. It's not that hard to ignore the shitposting, and it's more of a background task unless something actually happens.

>>97262139
Spermomancy.

>>97262139
This feels like an excuse to shit on it. I don't remember the name anyway, just that the other character with it was very different from what I wanted to do with it. Still not worth it because it was one of the big ones.

>>97262064
>>97251802
>>97252221
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>>97253488
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>>97253624
cont:

Of course, I assume the main thing that makes you say they're especially evil are sacrifices, but most people have a very skewed view of who it was done to, at at what scales, and what they were like

Contrary to what a lot of sources say, the Mexica did not demand victims as tribute/taxes that often, which were predominately rather demands of economic goods and labor service. The plurality of victims, maybe even the majority, were captured enemy soldiers from wars, so not a distinct total from battlefield deaths, though some amount were also non-combatant slaves given as spoils by surrendering cities when initially being conquered (to be clear, not the whole population was taken, nor were cities usually sacked, the Mexica wanted subjects functional enough to produce the goods they demanded as taxes), or via the slave trade (though slaves allegedly actually had a great deal of rights and being a slave wasn't a permanent status, with only slaves who lost rights via skirting on duties being able to be sacrificed... in practice though I'm a bit skeptical things were that favorable for slaves), and even some being volunteers (though "volunteers" could include children and the elderly, likely not truly voluntary in those cases).

From excavations of the Huey Tzompantli, the Great Skull Rack in Tenochtitlan, we know 75% of victims were men (consistent with most being captured enemy soldiers), 20% were women, and 5% were children, though there are conflicting reports which give the ration as more like 55-40-5. From those excavations we also know the rack held around 16,000 skulls, though if you wanna highball every possible variable, you could maybe argue it's double that, though I think that's quite unlikely.

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>>97262131
>>97251802
>>97252221
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>>97252120
>>97253488
>>97253575
>>97253624
cont:

16,000-32,000 skulls sounds like a lot, and it is, but it's a fraction of the size the Spanish (and even the Mexica themselves) claimed it was: Duran and his Mexica informants claimed it held ~80,000 skulls, while Andres de Tapia claimed it held 136,000. Keeping in mind that we don't know how long it took for a full rack's worth of skulls to accrue (but that it probably represents multiple years worth of deposits, we know at least some parts of the rack/towers had skulls deposited over a period of decades), and that not all victims even had their skulls go onto the rack, I'd wager that suggests 100s to 1000s of sacrifices a year.

If you highball things, maybe even over 10,000 a year, but I think that's pushing it, especially as would be 20,000, which is a common number you see thrown around. 100,000s a years like the 250.000 estimate also often thrown around is obviously nonsense and didn't happen. If you're wondering why both of those figures are so common if they're contradicted by excavations, it's because A: The excavations are recent, and B: the figures weren't intended to be just for Mexica sacrifices, but sacrifices done across (more or less) all of Mesoamerica aside from the Maya and extreme southern portions, on top of those figures having other issues as I explain here: desuarchive.org/his/thread/18250129/#18253422

100s to 1000s of sacrificed people a year is still a lot of religious murder, and if your metric for evil is purely based on the number of religious killings on an annual basis, then yeah, the Mexica might take the top spot. But those are rookie numbers compared to many genocides, political or ideological purges, or holy wars (which I do think sacrifices are comparable to since enemy soldiers were the largest fraction of victims): Hundreds of thousands of Cathars were killed in a religious purge within a few decades in 13thC france for example

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>>97262142
>>97251802
>>97252221
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>>97252120
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>>97253624
cont:

It should also be noted here that victims of sacrifice could be well treated: These were formal religious ceremonies with rules for who could be selected, how they were treated, what they had to do before and during their sacrifce and what happens to the remains after. In pic related for instance you can see there's multiple paragraphs worth of precise traits and conditions the main impersonator and sacrifice to Tezcatlipoca had to meet, and lived in luxury as the god for months before having to preform ritual duties and tasks in the weeks leading up to his sacrifice and during the ceremony.

Captured soldiers allegedly lived with their captor's family and were mourned by them as a family member after their death, and while this is all surely romanticized to a degree and not all sacrifices were so glamorous (Child sacrifices to the rain god Tlaloc were tortured to cry as much as possible, some sacrifices to fire deities were as well with embers and hot ashes, and victims who weren't impersonators or even some who were may not have been treated as well leading up to their deaths), the sample size from the Huey Tzompantli excavations show that the victims were in disproportionately good health and physical condition prior to their deaths and even foreign victims lived in Tenochtitlan for months or years prior to their deaths, supporting those claims.

There was also a lot more to Mexica society then war and sacrifices, and I would strongly argue that the role of sacrifices in Mexica culture is drastically overemphasized in popular imagination and conversation. The discussion I initially replied to wasn't even specifically about sacrifices in particular (rather about if the Aztec get treated with sensitivity in pop culture or not), yet >>97260155 and >>97259747 flipped out solely because I didn't bring them up.

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>>97262151
cont:

Like yes, it's an important aspect of Mexica and Mesoamerica religion in general (and it should be stressed here that ALL Nahua subgroups, not just the Mexica, and all other separate Mesoamerican civilizations entirely, also did sacrifices: The Mexica simply did it the most), but it wasn't even the most common form of offering (which would be things like incense, ceremonial goods, animals, or small amounts of your own blood), and religion also wasn't the only facet of their society.

The average person was not constantly living in fear of being sacrificed or witnessing it much. Their typical day was waking up, doing morning ritual offerings, eating breakfast, the father/husband would go out to work farms or public construction while the wief would do domestic work, weave, and buy/sell things at market, kids would stay at home and teens would go to a school, they'd have dinner and take baths, and go to bed (See: desuarchive.org/his/thread/7617096/#7619771). See also youtube.com/watch?v=wsNdYD8DODo which IIRC is a decent video.

Tenochtitlan was one of the largest cities in the world at the time and had a functional, sophisticated society: You had merchants, diplomats (and strict diplomatic rules and procedures, which is a big part of why Cortes got as far as he did, since he identified himself as representing the Spanish king), scribes, poets (existential and moralistic poems/songs were a big thing, as was rhetorical public speech), schools (arguably the first universal public education system) judges and legal courts (both local community ones and a series of state appellate courts), botanical gardens (not just used as recreational sites of relaxation for nobles, but also stocked medical herbs and were used to experimentally test their properties and growing conditions, and to categorize plants and flowers) and more.

7/?

>>97262158
cont:

Even if you want to argue that they're among the most brutal or evil cultures in history, that doesn't justify or excuse the obsessive need to center every conversation about them on sacrifices, when as the image in >>97259897 shows, even the Conquistadors and Catholic friars conquering, colonizing, and converting them made it a point to praise other aspects of their society and stressed that it was worth learning about and even preserving, or at least select parts.

>>97259722
The Jaguar Warrior is just one example. But yes, I am aware that they recently got a visual update that improves them. A shame the building assets still look like worn ruins without plaster or paint. I hope Age of Mythology Retold handles it better.

>Besides, another DLC will be about Mezoamerican nations
Was one announced?

8/8

>>97261611
SOVL

>>97261611
>"Just call me Ishmael."
Lmao.

>>97261567
>afraid painting is unlikely as he doesn't even have paints!

Tell your friend he's a fag and his shits all retarded

》97261589(you)

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>>97261891
Then you wouldn't have a problem if I play my entire 15k points marines collection against your 3k marines army, right? Because as you said, war isn't fair.

>>97261959
Ignorance, really. I don't know if that plasma weapon is 2D, but if the big blast hits more than 2 targets more than the vindicator, it might be deadly enough :O
Like a tracked Deredeo

>>97261993
It is damage 2. A lot of plasma weapons got a lot better against terminators because they got damage 2, and didn't have high enough strength to instant-death them before. Quite ironic, since plasma guns look so bad people think all plasma weapons are trash now.

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>>97261982
i mean i could do like 8 if you felt like it instead but sure that'd make a great and dire scenario it's not as though such things didn't happen quite and regularly amidst the heresy, maybe we'd wanna talk about what constituted victory conditions for either side or just play to annihilation and see the story out, doesn't make too much difference ;3

>>97262040
I hope this means at least vehicle-carried plasma is in a good place, then.
>plasma guns look so bad people think all plasma weapons are trash now.
They really look that bad lmao. Did rapid fire really go away across the board? As in, both bolters and plasma guns but not lasrifles are always 2-shot across their full range. 2-shot breaching 4+ isn't that wild. Strong but not game-ending. Idk why they had to go down to breaching 5+ :(