Christmas Edition>Previous thread:>>97173638Battlefleet Gothic, Blood Bowl, Epic, Kill Team,Man-o-War, Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game, Mordheim,Necromunda, Shadow War: Armageddon, Titanicus, Underworlds,Warcry, Warhammer Quest, Warmaster ...... and any other GW system and board game are welcome.>Helpful resources: (feel free to suggest additions!)https://pastebin.com/qq9N8V0V>TQComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97244515I thot gf stood for girlfriend.
>>97244367it's only fitting for a 13 y/o to call another 13 y/o a retard. underage fag
>>97244544It's a GW ruleset it is basic as shit. Kids played this crap with even more shit rules back in the 80's
>>97242206You're getting pretty harsh responses and desu I felt like giving you one too.The squealing yearning for low-effort instant gratification is pretty sad. Your nephew should be excited to dig into the rules and lore and to learn how to do miniature modeling. He should have been curled up on a couch reading the rulebook multiple times. Teach him some patience. And have some creativity yourself -- if you had really wanted to play an immediate demo game you could've use tokens, empty bases from the box, etc.Your rage reminds me of a washed-up divorce dad sloptuber (Guerilla Miniatures) who is constantly yammering about games "passing the Christmas morning test" but that's the province of a denuded cuntsoomer bitch who goes through game systems like bags of Doritos, playing them once or twice and then abandoning them to the Shelv'ed Wastes of the basement.For less than the cost of a Big Mac, fries and a Coke, you can buy a loaf of fresh bread and some good cheese or roast beef, which you will enjoy much more.
>>97244571sloptuber :D
Yu-Gi-Oh! General #591"All i want for Christmas is for Dark Magician Girl to materialize in my bedroom so i can summon her in face down ass up position, have sex with her, and end my turn" EditionPrevious thread: >>97191908Most Yu-Gi-Oh! discussion encouraged. Post OC, write dumb fanfics with bad CaC in them, duel each other, have fun, etc.>Yu-Gi-Oh! Online PlayAutomated Sims:●EDOPro website: https://projectignis.github.io/download.html●EDOPro: https://discord.gg/ygopro-percy●YGO Omega: https://discord.gg/duelistsunite●Dueling Nexus: https://duelingnexus.com/●Master Duel: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1449850/YuGiOh_Master_Duel/Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97243773only card game with hype moments and aura
>>97244053Literally the main character's theme sis.
>>97244280thanks queen <3
>>97243773Any of the reasons people enjoy shonen stuff because they're dudes all the same as anyone else. Trying to find a specific reason is basically texas sharpshooter.
>>97243773You want the real answer? Because Yugioh aired on public broadcast in the States and few black homes had cable TV in the early 2000s.
What are the funniest wargame mechanics you've ever encountered?
In Chan of Command your commander can become a drunkard if you lose enough battles
>>97244175I'm pretty sure the outflank rule was only introduced in the following edition, and at the time the WS player would have had to move his units on board through his own table edge, which he couldn't do since you can't move through enemy models and he had no jump infantry (which could move over the Kroot) or tanks (which could force the Kroot out of the way with a tank shock test). As people have pointed out before, there would have been plenty of ways to prevent this scenario: just deploying one unit on the board would have been enough since you couldn't be infiltrating units within 12'' (if there's no LOS) or 18'' (if there is LOS) of enemy units. But since he was playing a WAAC list consisting nothing but fast bikes that arrive on board on the player's first turn to ensure the opponent can never shoot at them before they get to move and shoot, he had his whole army in reserves and lacked any way to get past a single unit think Kroot conga-line.
>>97244175No, he would require Khan to do that and he'd come in off the sides. You couldn't just come in from reserves anywhere at the time, you had to arrive from your table edge unless you were outflanking (a specific, declared rule) or you were Snikrot, who could specifically come in on the enemy's edge. This is providing this is 5th, which I believe it is since the deployment type seems to be "Dawn of War" (deploy HQ and two troops, everything else in reserve) and null deployment on Dawn of War was very common. This deployment type added to the mechanization if 5th ed armies, but that's a different topic. It meant 1/3 of the time your static firepower had to walk onto the table, so they couldn't shoot at all and couldn't run since that wasn't a thing.I want to point out that this is a full 4x6 table, so that's an asston of kroot even fully spread at 2" coherency.
>>97244338>>97244389Ah I see.I didn't understand any of your explanations, I never got within 20 meters of a tabletop game. But thanks for explaining eitherway.
>>97244573As I vaguely understand it (and will be happy to be told otherwise by more experienced anons), units entering the battle need to start a certain distance away from the other enemy units currently on the battlefield for the sake of fairness so that you don't get a scenario where one guy watches their opponent set up their army and then just completely encircle them from all sides like an antlion pit. And while there are a few units that can get around that to a degree, bikes aren't one of them.
Thread #006 Dark Imperial Blood EditionWelcome to /schreck/ where you can rp your VTM character! For all questions concerning the World of Darkness, please consult the WoDg and CoDg thread>>97129837Previous Thread>>97024850Brief rules>We have no story teller, we are acephali>Threads are v20 based, although the night is long and full of whispers, lies, and half-truths. Decide your own canon but all will not believe you>all nicktuku will be diablerized on sight>all OOC discussion should be spoileredTHREAD QUESTIONComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97242553Nothing quite like finding out God is real after selling your soul.
1. The house just received the best Christmas present we could possibly hope for.2. It's a 27 second clip of a 55cm tall doll burning a pair of wannabe trespassers alive with a flamethrower. In 2K and with sound.3. We're showing it at our next party.4. I just ghouled a radiology technologist.5. I've had my fun, now I'm done playing. The next cunts get taken alive.
>>97243693O the piercing screams, the vain rolling and dancing under the raging flames, the fire unmasking the ugliness and weakness of their souls, the complete lack of hatred, remorse or pleasure from our beautiful, angelic, innocent doll. Such sublime, divine justice! Truly an unlife-affirming experience.I command you to inform Mercury Lamp she made Mommy proud at once.
>>97243693Not gonna lie I counted my date's money again, watched the video on the phone, lit a cig and the world was a beautiful place.>>97243717>I command you to inform Mercury Lamp she made Mommy proud at once.Our resident doll maker doll is jumping up and down the mansion like a baby red kangaroo.
>>97241493Merry Christmas, Kindred!Christ is King.Baali and Azanaeli deserve to be turned into wallpapers.>t.zimisce
Should rogue maidens be holy or unholy?
You need more things in your life.
I agree, rogue maidens should come with all flavour combinations of rogues and maidens. From thugs through cat bulgrals to dex-based warrior maidens. That includes holy and unholy.
How about you go talk with your family and have a good time with them?
>>97244418>ShouldRethink your life.
>>97244418>Rogue>Maidenanon i...
Holiday Special EditionPrevious Thread: >>96962908 The thread to talk about Super Heroes/Villains/Spies/Agents/Rogues be it in spandex or not.Popular Choices for Games:>Mutants & MastermindsCurrently the most played one, uses a d20 resolution for everything, has powers building and rules for tactical combat.>Marvel TSR/ FASERIPClassic Supers game from the 80s, still has a lot of fans and various retro-clones. Uses a d100 with an universal resolution table to decide the degree of success, has random character generation and abstract rules for powers and combat.>Masks (PbtA)Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97241180What supers settings have the best takes on Santa and why do you think so?
>>97241180>tfw someone made a supe I wanted to make
>Admire superhero for a long time.>Make one superhero setting up.>It's more akin to 90s X-Men and Infamous series.>If you don't live in quarantine zone or work for the government you can get labeled as a bioterrorist if you use your powers.Why am I like this?
>>97241180Shroud from Dispatch gave me the idea to have a villain who gives his villains cybernetic implants, especially ones that enhance their existing powers, in my supers setting. What supers system does such implants/augmentations best Abby why? Also, what kinds of implants make sense for different kinds of powers without just directly copying the characters in the game? For a speedster for example, I can see increasing their senses so they can better react to things at super-speed, for example, what do you think?
>>97244196Bro, if you want speedsters put what amlunt to a mini-engine in their legs that propels them forward, only drawback is that they cannot drift or turn mid-speed. So it's like a rocket.
This is a second OSRG, seperate from the main osrg thread, where you CAN talk about 2e, retroclones, and any osr content you want.This is different than the regular osrg as due to rampant trolling from a handful of bad actors, discussion is impossible.PREVIOUS THREAD>>97206318
>>97234192>C&C is everything 5 x and 3.x shouldve been.The second half of that sentence is funny in that C&C was 3.0 lite with not a lot of 3.5 influence. D&D 3.x can't have been more C&C like because rule bloat was a TSR thing since the days of AD&D 1e through 2e. It survived due to continuity of development by people working at the bloatiest stage of 2e who already felt they were debloating D&D. If TSR had kept going 4e might never have happened like it did, due to the vidya aspect being inspired by corporate, but there's practically no chance there would have been a leaner rule set like C&C did to 3.x.
>>97237527No, he's actually after the Mentzer Basic set since it is one of the best introductory tutorial style rule books that has ever been written for a rpg.>>97237503>It's "classic D&D" in the latter-day railroady adventure sense.It's nearly identical to Moldvay Basic, especially in its first printing so if you were right that just means Moldvay is railroady.>>97237454I don't know how that's organized but the product code was TSR 1011. It's from 1983. It might be called >Mentzer Basic>BECMI Basic>D&D 1983>Red box D&D>Basic Rules Set 1which was the official name in 1983Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97243729>because rule bloat was a TSR thing since the days of AD&D 1e through 2eRule bloat was a thing even in OD&D, with even Gygax lamenting how the game had become bloated beyond its original 3-booklet form, and Basic being devised as a way to slim it down.
>>97244188>things that never happened: Hitler digits edition
>>97241430Can you explain to me, like a three-year-old, what's wrong with asks? Because to me, this system seems perfect for fantasy sandboxes, both for creating and then playing in them. Creation Band of the Falcon, organization a mafia, leading caravans to distant lands, or building your own magical tower possible any D&Dlike game, but only here are all these rules in one place, in a streamlined framework.
Gets Hot edition>Previous Thread: >>97227248>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPSComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
basecoats and marine juice applied, just need some freehands and then to get back home to add some proper decals and basing
>>97244508That green is pretty
>>97244508whats marine juice again?
>>97244587a recipe from eavy metal for a universal space marine wash.i personally use 50/50 of army painter strong tone and vallejo games black wash
>>97243867your average gang is like what, 12 dudes? and you're not even going to use most of those at any one time
Christmas is over, but I still have one more Sonic gamebook to round out the year!ATTENTION MODS - THIS IS NOT A QUEST THREAD, BUT A GAMEBOOK STORYTIMEOkay, now that that's out of the way, let's begin...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC8x7s7o5AM
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There's literally no way for us to win this, so we have to skip to the "we lose" section
>Go after himOR>Y'know what? Fuck that guy.
>>97244489NOOOOO GO AFTER HIM
>>97244546Quick, roll 1d6+5!
>In the game Werewolf: The Apocalypse, the Garou (werewolves) were made to defend the earth from the cosmic forces that threaten to tear it apart. The Garou fight against the Wyrm, the destroyer. It is a struggle against nearly insurmountable odds, especially considering the rivalry between many tribes. These rivalries make it almost impossible for the werewolves to present a unified front against a cosmic force that pervades reality.>From this morass of hatred and mutual betrayal, there is little hope that the Garou can emerge triumphant against a foe so well armed as the Wyrm. The Wyrm promises money, power, sex, and whatever else the heart desires to its followers while the Garou receive no reward for their striving. It drives them deeper and deeper into despair, or into betrayal so deep that they choose to serve the Wyrm instead.Main Rulebooks:>Werewolf: The Apocalypse Rulebookhttps://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Werewolf:_The_Apocalypse_Rulebook>Werewolf: The Apocalypse Second Editionhttps://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Werewolf:_The_Apocalypse_Second_Edition>Werewolf: The Apocalypse Revised Editionhttps://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Werewolf:_The_Apocalypse_Revised_Edition>Werewolf: The Apocalypse 20th Anniversary Editionhttps://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Werewolf:_The_Apocalypse_20th_Anniversary_Edition>Werewolf: The Apocalypse 5th Edition Corebookhttps://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Werewolf:_The_Apocalypse_5th_Edition_CorebookComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97232358Where do you anons find these niche comics or artworks? This is Night Wolf if I researched correctly and it seems pretty damn niche.
>>97235101Werewolf subreddit
Happy christmas!
Boys how the fuck do i build a functional garou in W20. I'm gonna play the game for the first time and have no idea what to do. I got slotted as a Ragabash, was thinking to make him a scout/rogue
>>97161185>claws on either side of a gaping hole in the middleDo you think making it a werewolf-shaped goatse was intentional?
I would like to talk about the Chronicles of Darkness game line Deviant: The Renegades, or more specifically, one major upcoming supplement. Deviant was released in late 2021, and has had three additional sourcebooks since then. A new supplement, Black Vans, has been in playtesting for a while, and is currently being previewed.I am not being paid or sponsored to promote this book in any way. I am just very fascinated by it, and indeed, I already ran a mini-campaign using the playtest material.Deviant is, by default, a game about playing angsty, scarred superheroes who either fight world-manipulating conspiracies or work for them. Black Vans is a toolkit full of variant rules, quick NPC creation, variant character types, and variant genres. These variants range from the minor to the dramatic, completely overhauling what were once non-negotiable, foundational themes and mechanics. Maybe your character is not angsty or scarred at all, perhaps they are a """""regular human""""" like John Wick or Batman, or the campaign might have nothing to do with world-manipulating conspiracies.These variant genres include cyberpunk, high fantasy, post-apocalypse, space opera, and superhero emergence.This is a beefy supplement. For example, one chapter alone dedicates 38,000+ words to playing other monsters of the Chronicles of Darkness: Beasts, changelings, demons, Sin-Eaters, hunters (entirely separate from the variant rules for """natural""" superpowers), mages, mummies, Prometheans, vampires, and werewolves. No additional supplements beyond Deviant are necessary; the rules are self-contained, allowing the group to play a monster mash of an urban fantasy setting without needing a daunting 7+ books. And yes, they are supposed to be balanced against one another, so a vampire in the same group as a full-fledged mage is probably some older Kindred.(Continued.)
>>97217920Based on the detail and amount of posts I can say your a very passionate playerWish there was more like you
>>97242583I (and many others) shit on Edna/2hu pretty regularly, but they're one of the few bona fide yesgames let on /tg/ who cares about the games they like enough to post multipage autistic breakdowns of the parts of them they like the most.They're wasted on /tg/, and they're wasted on reddit, too.
>>97242591/tg/ as it is now, at least
>>97242578>it's a decent if a light on world buildingIt is supposed to be a toolkit RPG that expects the ST to do the work of fleshing out the Web of Pain. Even then, the core rulebook alone details four cities, each with their own conspiracies that make up a segment of the Web of Pain.Eric Zawadzki is currently writing Deep Dive, a supplement that fully fleshes out 40 conspiracies from Standing 1 to 10. It also has a full-on sample Web of Pain for STs who want something ready-to-go, spanning dozens of conspiracies.>>97242583Thank you.
>>97226424Any details on the first one? Does it still interact with the instability system?
MECTech is my system for mech-based combat. Link to the rules that I'm about 80-90% finished with.>https://docs.google.com/document/d/18TSQCp5eVKER3ziEDW5p9t2OZtmEmE6v6lquue5elAg/edit?usp=sharingWhy make an entire thread?>Have enough content and questions to warrant it>Hope to get enough criticism/feedback to gain the inspiration to finish it within the next day or so>Main goal is just to talk about design philosophy with people>The board is slow Feel free to participate with questions or additions to any element of my system, or answers to questions that I ask. If you have your own design questions for TTRPGs, I'd be happy to give my 2 cents as well.First topic presented for review will be my take on general actions and action economy which I think is moderately unique
FRAMES AND CORESCores specifically are the main part of your mech. In universe, the core is both the ‘skeleton’ and operating system. The core determines HP, damage avoidance, weight limit, energy limit. The frame is a lot less important statistically, but it is what covers your mech so by name it’s importantMechs are named after their core+frame and each of the three planets have their own naming conventionsEarth cores are named after liquors and frames are named after times>midnight grappa>Friday whiskey>new years ginVenus cores are named after iPod designations and frames are deific beings>Durga 2P>Helios XR>Michael MaxComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
MOMENTUM AND FLIGHTthis is more of me thinking out loud rather than presenting any finalized.ALTITUDE LEVELS>major height and elevation differences are measured in abstract levels>1 level of difference is out of range of melee weapons and is treated as the same distance for ranged weapons>as in shooting someone 5 spaces away is functionally the same whether they’re on the same level or a level higher>shooting someone 2 levels higher is treated as a degree of long range>weapons capable of 2 degrees of long range would only be able to fire at someone within 1 degree of long range and 2 levels of height difference>being higher than your target should probably give you 1 extra level before you start getting accuracy/distance penalties versus being 1 level lower just for the tactics of it>being in air is slippery>im thinking that if you travel X amount of spaces from your starting point during your turn, you also have that amount of spaces in momentum speed>momentum speed means that at the end of your turn, place a second marker on the board and that’s where you’ll start on your next turn >along with traveling larger distances, the benefit of momentum speed is that your damage avoidability increases by 1 for each space of momentum speed you’ll be traveling on your next turn Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97231465What kind of stories is this thing for? Give us five media touchstones
>>97242623It’s just a humble ttrpg with a sci-fi mecha base. I’m not trying to be too unique, just creating a system with the best balance of “satisfying mecha fantasy” and “not too crunchy” I can do. For specific stories, the mechanics don’t restrict anything as far as tones go. The 3 main planets have their own atmospheres thoughVenus>ruled by a single corporatocracy >businesses and entities still frequently sabotage each other >lends itself very well to the ‘band of mercs’ origin >”there’s an AI mech we programmed as law enforcement but now it’s enforcing law on the politicians and CEOs that don’t like it, so go stop it”>”some rival CEO kidnapped my daughter over the crabby party secret formula, go get her back”>”I want to leave this soul crushing society but need money to do it”Mars>overpopulated and grimy >main factors of life is urban warfare between street gangs in the city and actual warfare between official city armies>”youre part of a platoon and need to survive X amount of days/waves of enemies with dwindling resourcesComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Since the random passerby might be able to appreciate the narrative side of things rather than mechanics, I’ll focus on that next. People are free to and I believe will have an easy time creating their own stories with the system, but I’m choosing to design a handful of “quests” for single session play to act as framing for how groups SHOULD spend their time. All quests are graded to a difficulty level and have correspondingly increasing rewardsD-tier>quests that can be easily completed by a single mechc-tier>quests that can be easily completed by a small group(3 or 4) or a single prepared mech with some difficultyB-tier>quests that can be completed by a organized group with moderate difficultyA-tier>quests that can be completed by an organized group with extreme difficultyS-tier>quests designed to party wipe groups unless they have insane luck or the best equipment in the game
Merry Christmas EditionHere is a thread to discuss trading card games other than the big three.>Build Divide>Force of Will>Final Fantasy TCG>DBZ CCG>Wixoss>Keyforge>Gundam>Legend of the 5 Rings (L5R)>Digimon>Flesh and Blood>Gate Ruler>Battle SpiritsComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97244382nta, but reading comprehension, dude. the anon you're responding to said blue moon has better gameplay.
>>97243414>Could choosing your hand work in other games?could probably work, you just need the right restrictions to avoid shit breaking. what those are will be different to every game. for ashes that restriction is you can't start duplicates, and instead of a banlist they have a short list of cards you can't play in round 1. the bigger issue is that system is only fun in games where you have some info about the opponent's deck before you pick your start. ashes tells you their character and magic colors, so you have some sense of what they might start and can pick cards to hose them.even if picking your opening draw wouldn't work for most games though, I wish more new games would try something different, any fucking thing. mtg made their start condition Random 7 + Mulligan 30 fucking years ago, and 99% of games since just mindlessly copy it. zero attempt to improve on it at all, despite the fact that the mechanic has always sucked. even the much bitched-about land system mostly fails as a direct result of the random start.
>>97244460>I wish more new games would try something different, any fucking thingIt's very much doing its own thing gameplay wise (which is good and a nice attempt at a simulation of the source material), and I don't like the card 'art' being all screencaps or posters (though the foils of the latter can look good), but I like how the Godzilla tcg encourages you to hand-dump because you draw back up to the max at the end of your turn. In a lot of ways it feels more like a board game that happens to have a TCG attached to it.
>>97244201I don't believe they ever did. Seems like they left a lot of money on the table with that decision.
>>97244601Apparently they also had marketing saying 'with the release of our Nth set every one of our characters will be featured' so now I wonder if it's because post-release production overlapped with her already being on her way to graduation, but I would need to check the timeline on both.
To preface, I'm an MTG veteran. My first Precon was Coven Counters in 2021 and I've been an EDH player ever since.After years of playing, I think the WUBRG elemental may just do me in. Gimmick synergy, tribal, a real throw in anything somewhat related type of commander potential. It also has the most forced WUBRG ability to date: being able to pay WUBRG in order to keep an Elemental you Evoked is utter bullshit. It completely defeats the purpose of Evoke and is just a continuation of "drop a set, put whatever you want under 1 commander."I hate it, you hate it, and it's just a slap in the face of previous WUBRG Legendaries that tried to be something more than tribal or gimmick synergy, or just cram some WUBRG ability in last second, such as [[Atogatog]] [[General Tazri]] [[Golos, Tireless Pilgrim]] [[Jodah, the Unifier]] [[Jenson Carthalion, Druid Exile]] [[Morophon, the Boundless]] [[Najeela, Blade Blossom]] and [[Ramos, Dragon Engine]] . And I'm missing a shitton of other WUBRG Legendaries that could be Commanders.But let's look at the new WUBRG Legendaries that could be Commanders (hint: they're all tribal, gimmick synergy, or cram in a WUBRG ability last second): [[Avatar Aang]] [[Cosmic Spider-Man]] [[Hei Bai, Forest Guardian]] [[Heroes in a Half Shell]] and [[Infinite Guideline Station]] .As long as WotC keeps dropping cards like [[Horde of Notions]] , MTG will die very soon and for real this time.
>>97234692have a (you) for still replying
>baits are so lazy nowadays they're literally just copypasted from reddit
>>97232405>EDH player*sigh*Planeswalking time
Do i run pic related in the new elemental precon?
>>97232426WE
Deck the boards with solos burningWhile the poles and leafsScream REE REE REETis the seasons to be follyAll AffO freaks go 'wege 'wege 'wegeOP dons his gay apparelLacerda, Knizia hand in handTroll /bgg/ threads we feel compelledFucking birds and FIRST, my (you)s sell wellWelcome to the Holiday Edition of the Board Games General!Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Lost Ruins of Arnak should've been a Robinson Crusoe expansion.Why are the Robinson Crusoe expansions not straight additions to the game? They're all meme scenarios and "campaigns".
>>97244023If your son can take banter, go with it and make fun of them tooIf your son can't take banter, my condolences, that's kinda shitty
>>97243718Ok but eating paper towel rolls is objectively better than this obvious ameritrash game
>>97243711Are you using this as a teaching aid and reference for players? If you're using it as a ref, it's too wordy - you're asking players to skim through this to find info during their turn. Going to slow the game down a lot and you're going to have people on their phones in like 30 minutes.Best teaching advice I ever received was to start by teaching the victory conditions and how they're triggered, overview of the board, then teach the actions players can do on their turn. Your player aid/reference should be built like a turn sequence and should aim to cover the most likely events and not every edge case.
>>97239494Nucleum is good but it's basically Brass with asymmetric powers. I'd always play it, but Brass is better>>97235900I tell people now I'll only play Flip 7 if they throw a fiver on the table and play winner takes all