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>>97826537
Hey now, in both stories they end up getting arrested for leaving behind too much evidence to trace it back to them. It's true the solution to both was probably to simply kill their enemies, it's the method by which they went about it that screwed them over.

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>>97829627
>Players are clearly too afraid to just go in and shank the dude like DM wants.
>Both players and DM are fed up with the amount of time spend on this.
>Entire story is full of 'gotcha' moments, where the players attempt something, but they make some fundamental mistake from; not specifying exactly that they do or don't do something, or not taking into account something that only gets revealed later on.
>Discussed burning down taxman's house? Whoops, you were doing it in a tavern and didn't specify exactly that you were whispering so as to not have anyone else hear your plot of arson.
>Want to knock on the gate to try talk to someone? Silly player, it's actually too far away from the house for anyone to hear.
>Want to torch the place? Silly player, the floor is made of stone and there are few pieces of furniture, which your torch misses.
>Use an illusion spell to change your appearance to be innocuous? Whoops you didn't specify your face changes, so you're now recognizable to these people who've never had a good look at you.
>Oh you want to fight a duel? Silly player, your character has a shield, which is totally forbidden in a duel so he loses immediately.

I don't make a habit of criticizing other games, but if your players are so worried about consequences that they're spending hours irl going back and forth, they're constantly not understanding the environment, and you're catching them out on little things like "the half-asleep wife of the taxman recognizes your pc's face from glimpsing it in a poorly lit room, despite changing his clothes and being somewhere else" or "your pc loses the duel because he dares to use a shield", then that's the sign you're being a shit DM (either bad at expounding the setting to your players well, bad at giving your table the benefit of the doubt about their actions, or you're trying to oppose your players, which is pointless because the DM always wins).

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>>97831400
You've got some misunderstandings here.

>Both players and DM are fed up with the amount of time spend on this.
They weren't. I was. They didn't see a problem with it (at the time; they've since realized it was kind of ridiculous)

>Entire story is full of 'gotcha' moments
I don't see how openly discussing committing arson in a tavern - not to mention all the NPCs they were pestering about the tax collector's location, and suddenly his house burns down a day or 2 later... Maybe we have different definitions of "gotcha" but any competent group of investigators would easily discover the culprits in this situation. However, they could've evaded capture entirely had they just left the city.

>Whoops, you were doing it in a tavern and didn't specify exactly that you were whispering so as to not have anyone else hear your plot of arson
Yes, unironically. I'll give them some credit, there was a point they realized "hey maybe we should discuss this in our rooms or something" and they moved, but the damage was done.

>Silly player, it's actually too far away from the house for anyone to hear
Seriously what's actually the problem with this? Go to any gated house and knock on the gate and see if you get an answer.


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>>97831495
>Silly player, your character has a shield, which is totally forbidden in a duel so he loses immediately
Yes, because he (the player, to be crystal clear) requested a duel WITH SWORDS. He even told me right afterwards he had a gut feeling using his shield wasn't gonna be allowed, but he tried it anyway because he didn't wanna eat the 4whatever damage the tax collector would've done.

>the half-asleep wife of the taxman recognizes your pc's face from glimpsing it in a poorly lit room, despite changing his clothes and being somewhere else
I dunno man, feels like a stranger in My house is something I'd remember (speaking from experience) enough to recognize him 10-30 minutes later, even if he had a costume change.

>your pc loses the duel because he dares to use a shield
Again, yes, see above. He wanted it and admitted he knew better.

>either bad at expounding the setting to your players well
This is the only one I think you might have some ground with. This was all a few years ago when we were teenagers and I'd like to think all of us have improved since then (although I haven't really played with them, but I have recently starting GMing again), but I don't like the kind of games - either as a player or GM - where the players are getting handheld through things that are obvious common sense, and My players knew I wasn't running that kind of game.

Don't discuss committing crimes in a public setting. Things that obviously won't work, like setting water on fire or knocking on a gate (a gate to a fence that can be easily climbed over, from which point you can knock on the door; although you'd probably be trespassing) won't work. If you don't say "I cast fireball", you don't cast fireball, and I will not assume you make the optimal choice of casting fireball nor am I going to tell you that casting fireball is a good idea in this situation.

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>>97831400
>>97831495
>>97831565

Sometimes players fuck up and make mistakes. Nothing wrong with that. It's part of the game and part of the fun.

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>>97830361
What does she do?

>>97829042
Look at Senka standing all PROUD !

>>97831006
>that top one
kek

Speaking of warlock, any pointers for my very WIP brew? I feel I'm happy with the chassis now, still needs a ton of feats. https://scribe.pf2.tools/v/WHmHfolp

>>97830912
>"Intelligence or Other" would be faster to write out and leave you a bit of wiggle room in case you want to do something else like CON casting
>I don't quite get the lore of From Within and From Without schemes. I kind of get why From Within has Medicine training, but Without having Deception is strange since it isn't like you are draining other people magic or power. It would probably be better to just give the whole class scaling Occultism training and word the lore clearer.
>The lack of a Patron or enough lore to justify having/not having one is concerning, given the point of Warlocks in D&D.
>I'm personally not a fan of Eldritch Gambit or Strained as an idea. I get that it presses them closer to Oracle and properly adds the Power At A Price idea normal Warlocks are missing, but essentially them all being Wild Magic Mages, down to even summoning an additional foe, reaaalllly makes them risky to actually have. If we are shitting on Daredevil for being worse at every role it's trying to be, I can't see anyone being impressed with a whole class that is detrimental (even if the odds of such aren't high). This might be better as a feat, something to opt-in over a core part of the class.
>Also you likely outscale such a monster anyway by the time you could roll it so it is just annoying fodder that could fuck up a turn.
>Why does Eldritch Ward gives me a random hardness shield?? If you want random damage reduction, keep it simple stupid and make a reaction.
>Eldritch Shell is WAAAY too poachable.
>It does have the Commander & Kineticist compatibility issue, as Eldritch Blasts are not spells or weapon attacks.
>It's currently lacking some real field presence. Having to wait until Eldritch Barrier to be able to make anything that doesn't just disappear instantly means you lack impact in a battle.

>>97831078
Thanks for the feedback!
>From Within/Without
Yeah the lore could be better, I lifted the names from Dark Heresy 2e splats and From Without was Intimidation at one point, not that I couldn't change it again.
>Pact and Patron
Already Witch's deal
>Gambit
Do you think it could be a good feature if the Wild Magic effects were balanced better? It's supposed to be a gamble for action efficiency.
>Ward
Hmm, maybe I could change the value. Gambit is supposed to be the random part of the class.
>Shell
No less than the armors from Kineticist
>Commander
ACKSHUALLY I did specify that Eldritch Blast counts as the Cast a Spell activity and that Eldritch Blow counts as a Strike. Should they have different language to make them work?
>Presence

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>>97831156
>Do you think it could be a good feature if the Wild Magic effects were balanced better? It's supposed to be a gamble for action efficiency.
Again, it is a personal deal. I'm not 100% against Wild Magic tables and the like, hence why I say it should be a feat akin to Oracle's Roll the Bones. But the concept is not something that can be all that balanced as a core class feature. If you aren't doing ONLY negative effects to balance out Gambit's potential, then you are very limited in that design space unless you consider the class to be a joke. I can't say it would be UNPOPULAR, I still people gushing fondly about Legacy Ancestors Oracle. I just prefer consistency over chaos unless I get in a good mood or headspace.
>Hmm, maybe I could change the value. Gambit is supposed to be the random part of the class.
It's less about the value more than the mechanics of Eldritch Ward. You are adding a lot for something that probably gonna end up worse than the Shield cantrip most of the time, just to luckshit some extra defense when you get hit. I rather just cut to the chase and luckshit the damage reduction than fuddle around with a shield, even if I like the shield rules of 2e.
>No less than the armors from Kineticist
It's actually much more than Kineticist's. Neither Metal Carapace or Hardwood Armor actually scales up to Heavy Armor or grant the Bulwark trait. Sentinel can't grant any unarmored class Heavy Armor like that. This have armor specialization which is usually a separate feat nor comes at Level 1. And again, it auto-scales up and at a faster rate than innate armor like Scaly Hide or Reinforced Chassis. When I say it is poachable, I mean that anyone with +3 STR wants it and can get it cause it would be one of the freest armors in existence. Multiclass Warlocks may have to wait to L4, but it still would be entirely worth it.

I will say it already does feel like a class that can fit in with the current roster. Occult Kineticist does sound fun.

>>97831574
My idea with Ward is to have a Shield+ cantrip that you can keep raised for +2AC when you get the sustain feat at 12. That's why I didn't add it to Shell like Metal Carapace and Hardwood Armor have their shields. Also so I could improve them separately, but mainly for the later sustain. Will tweak the numbers, though.
Shell is a better Armor in Earth, because why do 5/1 when you can do 6/0?

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>>97831588
This guy does fun art

>>97831579
Thanks, anon! Noted.

>>97831561
I generally agree, altough one guy posted his conversion of priestess of Sigmar made out of (female) SCE and the model looked cool. Very /ourdudes/ vibe.

>doomseekers 48 bucks
>goblin hewer 69 bucks
GW is busting my balls over slayers
Also no Long Drong and his Slayer Pirates?

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>>97831647

actually the prices of dwarf kits are all over the place
>dwarf lords with shieldbearers 'only' 53 bucks for two leader characters
>but then sloppity bippity bobbpity for 100 bucks even though it's one little thing
>4 guys for 50 bucks
>40 guys for 100 bucks
Fucking gw.

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>>97821717
The water decks are pretty dominant right now, but there's still a lot of competitive builds, also people are still trying to figure out what works in general. Cards like Atlantean Fate can be pretty brutal.

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Sorcery is based just for printing these two cards alone.

>>97820622
play it. It's good, very intuitive. just get a precon set and jam it with a friend. it's good, polar bears and pudge butcher are still my guys.

>>97820809
Considering every piece in this game is hand made (so not digital slop), that is great art.

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They need to give us more Frazetta art

>>97830142
Hmm I think Roll does more than Race, if only because of how uneven turns can be. Race you have a pretty clear idea of someone's tempo and most of the time it's only going to ramp up compared to Roll's mitigation vs luck factors.
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>>97830752
that said
>leaves most people feeling like they need one more turn.
is the golden rule embedded into all euro designers - any game that goes a turn too long is blasted, any that goes a bit short is forgiven. I usually don't have this problem more so than games that just take too long to spin up, which is usually why I default to all the quick-start/shorter game rules (Imperium, AFFO, even Slay the Spire as of late) even if the game is potentially more swingy and railroaded

>>97830420
Make it

>>97830372
there are better games if you like hate drafting or battle royales. splendor fucking SUCKS ASS stop trying to dress it up.

before you ask fairy tail and arctic scavengers come to mind.

>>97831323
In our defense, we are slobs.

FUCKSPLENDOR

>>97829407
It's a miserable little pile of secrets.

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>>97829407
Interesting way to look at it.

>>97831050
Enough talk. Have at you!

>>97830256
>>97830208
You two and being good little /tg/ mall cops on every board is insane

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>>97830334
>require killing off characters every so often, and that would mean people won't buy the model of that character if they get discontinued or the rules become unavailable in future editions.
Just to say two people in this box are dead. Ones been dead since book 5 (2002) the other died in book 7 (2003). They've been printing dead people for over 20 years now.

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>>97831692
Alternate coloring

>>97825684
>Here's how an actual game would work
oh shit there I go forgetting that I'm actually a nogames and the fact we're playing like this doesn't count

It's improv; the classic "yes, and..." rule. Why are they asking about a blacksmith? Is it because the party just found a McGuffin in the dungeon and are hoping an NPC could tell them what it is, or give them a lead to investigate it? Maybe the DM expected them to look for someone to cast Identify on it and was planning to introduce the College of Mages this session; and when the players take a more mundane route, they get to introduce a new character and new elements to the story.

Perhaps the blacksmith was forging the exploding-sword on behalf of a mage of the College - was he set up? Does the blacksmith recoil when they present the McGuffin, shouting "Get that Mage-wrought curse out of my shop!" and throw the half-worked molten ingot at them? The point isn't "holy shit this blacksmith is now the #1 most important NPC in the game"; they're just some irrelevant bozo that the DM could have made up on-the-fly, but instead decided to let the player contribute to the world. If the players latch onto this random NPC for whatever reason, the DM can always say "let's come back to this later once I've had a chance to work on him".

I'm not even the DM for the group right now, so attacking me personally isn't super convincing.

>>97791970
Sippy fucking bippy

>>97825771
>It's improv; the classic "yes, and..." rule.
Improv isn't gaming
> Maybe the DM expected them to look for someone to cast Identify on it and was planning to introduce the College of Mages this session; and when the players take a more mundane route, they get to introduce a new character and new elements to the story.
So just because the players did something the DM didn't expect, they now get to spawn in something that... introduces the thing the DM wanted to do anyway?? That's just railroading with extra steps. .

>>97822242
Fetishes fuck over other stuff when used too much as it stops being about anything else or contrived in. And it limits options as you can't do stuff with a subject that undermine the fetish like how a vorefag has an autistic freakout when the monster gets sliced apart in the throat because they tried to swallow someone with daggers. Or how someone being mutilated to a horrific monster is going being a body horror thing that wants put out of its misery too much for people into TF to fantasize have happening to them.

>>97791970
This but set to flamenco music.

>>97827707
>It's own HANDS
The emphasis just kills me dead.

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I think this says it all, most HFY really is just narcissism/ego focused/participation trophy level fiction.

>>97831157
The people who like HFY are just imagining a world where they don't get told 24/7 that they are evil for just existing.

Also this is in a political clinate where measurably shit quality people are celebrated for just existing.

>>97831281
I like how you types always try to ascribe some massive ideological gradiosity to HFY when it's just textual masturbation. You pretend it's a defiant rebel's shout against the overbearing misanthropic majority of sci-fi when save for the exception of Avatar, the vast majority of sci-fi is human exceptionalist wank. In fact, even Avatar is human exceptionalist wank, as it requires the world's dumbest marine to play white savior to these dipshit savages who can't even think of simple tactics like "attack the big chosen one dragon from above".

The biggest irony in all this is the humanity portrayed in 90% of HFY is the most misanthropic, anti-human take on our species. If you told me HFY was some sort of antinatalist cautionary tale about how humanity needs to off itself because we'd be the evil scourge of the galaxy, I'd believe you.

>>97831662
I wonder if you could do a fake-out HFY with an alien commander listing off all the traits that make humans such dangerous warriors, their drive, their power etc typical HFY stuff about how they'll never give up in war and keep coming back

only to end with a "in short, they're just like us, they're warriors, and that's why I am confident they will understand why we do this"
And blows up earth

Important for drawing in people, not as important for player retention but still a relevant factor. Specific aesthetics can draw and repel potential players, but the art is irrelevant if your gameplay is boring/bad. This applies to myriads of other fields/businesses too in regards to logos and advertising.

Autistic rollplayers will seethe nonstop, but the cover art is the first thing you see of any system that's not a word document. (and even then, it might have a cover art)
Art does a lot to set the tone, along with the way fluff is written.

>>97831585
50% off a rulebook should be artwork if you want a good system

>>97831635
>not as important for player retention
True, in that the rules and playstyle have to be consistent with the art that drew players in. Otherwise you end up with a supposedly grim post apocalyptic world and you end up with modern fallout.

>>97831585
Who drew the top left?

How much do each factions actually know of each other, individuals aside, does the Illuminati or technocracy know about the camarilla and sabbat and all that, what about the camarillas knowledge of them or the fae. Werewolves are so decentralized I don’t think there’s any real answer there.

>>97831204
they know that they exist and the higher ups might have some telephone numbers to call each other in case they need to work together to keep up the masquarade and the general the higher up you go the more likely you are to find backdoor deals, but in general most splats know very little about each other with the former mages (tremere, nagaraja) turned vampires and the anti follower of set alliance being the exception

no necromancer vampire or alive ever been to be labyrinth and back and most never even been down far enough to find striga

the lasombra don't even know that the abyss is in the underworld

the technocratic union thought the week of nightmares was all of gehenna and the order of hermes assumed it must have been a tremere plot because those are the only powerful vampires they know

the order of hermes didn't know that the tremere didn't use nodes

fae assume that all other splats but mages are fae who forgot

fae only know the difference between technomages and non technomages


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>>97831287
Thanks for the breakdown, I definitely prefer it to the “but this one group knows everything and that everyone else is dumb”. Though I bet there are plenty of characters that are literally that

>>97831177
>So is that something you fluff, or you buy them with the suit?
I'd talk it over with your ST. Decide how many background points he wants you to spend on the suit/mech and how many inactive perks it has and what each of those perks does. That's how I'd handle it, at least.
A lot of the time, the suit wouldn't be anything other than a bunch of soak and probably some Dexterity penalties, but you could use it as a focus for a lot of your magic and the target of a lot of your magic as well.
Though I wouldn't copy and paste it for your character, reading about the Alanson Hardsuit on page 656 of the M20 core might give you some good ideas.

>>97831577
there is a lot more those are just some examples like i know the shadowlords have a camp that deals (in both meanings of the word) with vampires so they probably know more, but in turn they probably know jack shit about mages and never heard about mummies for example

in game this was somewhat enforced rules wise in 2 to 3ed/revsied by the fact that "kindred lore", "wraith lore" "werewolf lore", "mage lore" and such which represent your knowledge of another splat all costed exp like any normal knowledge ability so every exp your let's say mage spends on vampire lore is some exp they does not spend on another skill or sphere that would help him deal with his splat's usual enemies so when vampires are not currently the focus he is would be seen as falling behind

while wod's 20th anni editions use the scholar of other merit that makes you better at rolling in all non combat involving the "other" of your choosing by reducing the difficulty by 2 but makes the same rolls about your usual adversaries and all other splats harder by 1

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>>97810757
Battletech

>>97810757
Okay mini PRINTING is bad, but what about mini arts-and-crafting?

TONKS or BANGARANG / SKIRM!!! in the Gutterlands perhaps?
Nothing's cheaper than gluing together chopped up trash.

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>>97829792
army men actually come out pretty good when you sand the mold lines and paint them too, even the dirt cheap dollar store ones.

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>>97831474
>https://brikwars.com/rules/2010/cover.htm
Fixed that for you.
Have a stat card generator as well:
https://westnordost.de/statcard/

>>97831524
>in fact they're not even in the art anymore because they sent the creator a cease and desist apparently they trademarked the shape or some shit
It was an Image infringement thing, Mike's trademark style ironically is now property of the Lego Group, hence he had to Mega Blok/Roblox it up as seen here: >>97821241
(This only became an issue when Mike published a hardcover version for sale, because again, his original style is Lego Property.)

Of the Cloaans, only Mega and Best-Lock will actually have minifig accessories, and one of the reasons I prefer 2010 is that Construction Points allow you to stat up things that are NOT Minifigures.

>>97811190
>a dice-less wargame
neat.

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Requesting Hide, Stone, and Bone please and thanks.

>>97830498
You know we're still going to get a bunch of "OSR is down!! Oh Noooo!" posts right?

>>97830436
>d100 Dungeon

g0f1le /d/IgQ4tK

Kindly requesting GOOD quality pdfs of MERP. Many of the versions I've found are borderline unreadable (shit scans, smeared text, etc).

Thanks!

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>>97830808
Yeah, I was thinking of posting one of my own as a goof. It wasn't worth the minute and and Capcha though. Anyway it's back up.

>>97827983
>Can they regrow teeth?
They can't regrow lost limbs, so I don't think they can do so with teeth either. At least I don't recall any mention that they can
>Can they heal radiation sickness?
Both melanchromic organ and their power armour makes them way more resistant to radiation than a normal human, but extreme amounts of it can still make them sick and potentially kill them. However, unless it's very severe, they can probably heal from it fine, especially since Imperium probably has much better treatment options available than we do in M2.

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Right fucknuts, another homebrew expansion for you to sperg over, this time it's the Minotaurs. Got some good weapons, upgrades, Arkonak Terminator armour, some wierd centurion pattern and the skylance gunship because You will never stop me making vehicles, enjoy
https://ferrus-manus (dot) itch (dot) io/wargear-vault-minotaurs
Cover art by Kanonbal2

The duties of the Ordo Hereticus seem like such a mixed bag. Chaos cults and corruption, mutation, rogue psykers, normal corruption of Imperial functionaries. Why are they wearing so many hats?

>>97831623
No one has the authority to tell them something isn't their business

>>97831623
>named Ordo Hereticus
>handles heresy
you gotta wonder