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Let's say the US military decided to adopt a bullpup rifle. Do you think they could improve it to a point that it could surpass the AR15 platform?

I get the impression that it's just a few innovations away from achieving that status. If they could make the triggers match the AR platform it would be difficult argue that it isn't superior.

>inb4 slow reloads, etc.
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>>64674148
it's mostly a training and contracts issue since military triggers are already dogshit and better triggers exist already
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>>64662938
There are two reasons to pup: 1) shorter OAL, 2) weight balance closer to firing hand.
There is no cost or weight savings. There are no accuracy, safety or reliability benefits. Ironically having weight forward resists muzzle climb and gives a little more rotational inertia to steady the sights. The manual of arms difference isn't a big deal.

Overall it seemed like a good idea, but is pointless.
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>>64674593
The whole point (generally) is to add a longer barrel which allows for higher muzzle velocity and flatter trajectory. Other than that, completely agree.
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>>64674824
You can add a longer barrel to a conventional rifle as well.
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>>64674252
Lol.
You can also just kill everyone until there's no one left to defeat.

>>64674593
>Army asks for something that can make full use of 5.56 in a CQB package for 40 years
>be presented solution
>get the ick
>I know, let's shove an overpressure battle rifle round into a 12" barrel
>this is clearly the thinking man's solution to this problem

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How will the USS Donald defend itself in a naval conflict against China’s VLS/UAV/UMV spam? Seems like a bigger hull is not beneficial in modern naval operations.
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>>64672550
That's what the laser cannons, the railgun, the 5-inchers, and the 30mms are for. We know from reported ammo usage that 5" was actually used a lot against Houthi drones, and apparently worked just fine. Likewise, a 32MJ railgun isn't enough for long-range combat (hence why the USN kept trying to push for 64MJ, which they failed to make reliable enough for production), but it can be used as AAA within ~10NM.

The main defense, of course, is that these ships will likely be used with the same CONOPS as DDG(X) and CG(X) before it: to hang back at long range and use their radars to look for air and space targets worth throwing Standards at (or for cuing other assets, up to and including GBIs, to engage). Thus, only the longest-ranged ASBMs would have a shot at them as long as the CCP doesn't sneak a "fishing boat" up close during peacetime and pull a sneak attack with drones.
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>>64673481
I think this is the first time I've ever laughed at a slop video. Well done, you're okay for a brown.
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>>64672550
By nuking Nanjing as a warning.
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>>64673421
>quad-packed SM-2 and 3 equivalents and 9 packed ESSM equivalents.
what fantasy is this, the chinese haven't even quadpacked ESSM equivalents in their fat fuck vls cell
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>>64673374

Ok but what's the point of building a battleship when armor plating is useless anyway and a well-placed missile can sink any ship without the cannons being able to do anything about it?That's a shitty idea no matter how you look at it, they would have been better off building a mobile missile platform, it's just as useless but at least it's scary

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>>64672356
>The US builds
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>>64673806
now that's dazzle camo
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>>64673795
Chinks are scared. With that amount of firepower, a single Trump BBG can annihilate an entire chink carrier battle group.
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>>64672356
>> The US builds
They publish an AI video to stroke the ego of the current president*
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>>64667293
its 50% bigger

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Is this enough for deterrence, or just rookie numbers for 800km border?

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2025/12/19/2003849170
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>>64659509
trusting russia to behave rationally hasn't been a winning strategy lately, so don't worry, good for the local economy to build weapons, right? It's going great for Russia from what I hear. Real boost to gdp
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>>64661567
>Poland on the other hand, probably would and could invade Russia if they get an excuse.

No EU nation is gonna invade anyone because we're not 19th century-brained retards like monke
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>>64666615
reminded me of this classic gif, lol
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>>64668148
At the risk of triggering your antisemitic phobia, the fact that the European jewish population was less that 10 million before WWII kinda makes their 6M losses a little more salient
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>>64674984
Isn't there a hentai edit of that edit?

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>The Special 2TL Type (特2TL型, Toku 2TL gata) was a class of auxiliary escort carriers built for the Imperial Japanese Army during World War II. They were converted from Type 2TL tankers. It is also called the Yamashio Maru (山汐丸) class in some western sources.

>Only the name ship was completed during the war and she was sunk by American aircraft before she could be used.


>In 1944, the Japanese Army, which had already converted two passenger liners into combined assault ship and aircraft carriers, decided to acquire its own escort carriers to provide aerial anti-submarine cover for troop convoys. It therefore chartered two partly built Type 2TL Tankers, Yamashio Maru and Chigusa Maru, for conversion to auxiliary escort carriers.[1]

>The conversion was extremely simple, with a 107-metre (351 ft 1 in)-long flush flight deck added. There was no hangar, the ship's eight Ki-76s being stored on deck. Defensive armament consisted of sixteen 25 mm anti-aircraft guns, with a depth charge projector forward.[2]


>Yamashio Maru commissioned on 27 January 1945 and was sunk at Yokohama harbor by US aircraft on 17 February.[2][3] Plans were drawn up for conversion to a coal-burning freighter,[1] but she was never used as a carrier. Her sister ships, Chigusa Maru and Zuiun Maru, were incomplete when Japan surrendered and served after the war as tankers:[2]

>Chigusa Maru was sunk in 1945. The ship was repaired as tanker in 1945 and scrapped in Sasebo in June 1963. Zuiun Maru was scrapped in Oskata on 15 June 1964.

The IJA also previously built the Type A and Type C Aircraft Carriers, the latter seems to be the first amphibious assault ship made since its aircraft complement included autogyro rotorcraft
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>IJA had their own carriers and landing ships
>IJN had their own tanks
>both had small arms being built in the same factory that was incompatible with each other.
>not to mention them trying to assasinate each other
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>>64674232
And not one Ricenhower to tard-wrangle them.
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>inter-service rivalry so bad the army tries to build its own navy
jokes aside I'm really interested in these amphibious assault ships, they seem to be an early evolution of light utility/amphibious assault support role carriers
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>>64673898
>420 planned
>38 built
This idea is good, it seems the IJA had a pretty good foresight for the problem of logistics if they made a provision for the construction of these submarine transports, given the growing difficulty of supplying offshore bases at the time. Probably a lesson learned from Guadalcanal.
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What was the source of the rivalry tho? How did it get so bad?

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I got tired of scrubbing, scrubbing and scrubbing these titanium suppressor baffles and I don't have any fancy tumblers or parts cleaners.
I'm trying the vinegar hydrogen peroxide dip for the first time and wondering what you guys think about this. Does it work or is it a waste of time?

/nogunz need not participate
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>>64673006
Sounds like a really fucking stupid idea and I don't even own a suppressor.
A real Chad operator wants to be loud and announce his ominous presence
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>>64673675
Nigger behavior
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>>64674612
Is she a bat?
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>>64674746
Now that I think about it she likes her meat raw and has paper white skin, she's probably a vampire.
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>>64674739
I'm not a larperator.

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>>64557036
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Heading to work in a bit and will enjoy unpacking my presents late at night. Will have "Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence" running as it's christmas tradition to me, if you havent seen it yet; i highly recommend

https://youtu.be/boQBUziIat4

Merry /k/ristmas to all anons,special thanks to the organizers and total grinch extermination!
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>>64673166
Thanks again dude, the rest of your gift will be arriving later as well.
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>>64674054
One-way ticket on Polish railways for grinches.
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>>64674523
tfw you were overly generous this year and your target hasn't responded to any of your posts so you assume he is a grinch
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>>64672240
MR. BONES WHY DOES IT GROWL

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No politics, no industrial feasibility or cancellation talk allowed.

What is the logical military use case for a huge expensive "battleship" with 3x more displacement than a Ticonderoga and only a few more VLS cells? What advantage could it hold over Flight III Burkes, DDG(X), VPM SSNs, or an SSGN Columbia variant?


>1. The core use case would be a large fast cruiser able to escort carriers at prolonged high speeds around the Pacific,
in situations where conventional escorts and their oilers couldn't keep up, or would slow the carrier down with UNREP making for risky ASBM attack windows.
This is reliant on it being nuclear powered, which isn't confirmed and makes it more expensive and industrially intensive. Perhaps the Navy has done the math and found that cruising around at an unbroken 35 knots is useful to increase the PLA's sea search volume or complicate ASBM kill chains. But it doesn't have that many VLS cells so it must rely on novel weapons as an escort to avoid magazine depletion.

>continued
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>>64672493
A few large vessels with large radars that can coordinate with the fleet is good.
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>>64674319
There was nothing wrong with the Zumwalt gun. The ammo for it became too expensive to procure because the ships were canceled, not the other way around. In 2015, a buy of 150 rounds cost about $500,000 per shot including the propellant. In the same year, a buy of 7500 rounds of M982 Excalibur cost $300,000 per shot with substantially less range and mass.

>>64674393
There's still the AGS, although naval gunfire is and has always been a meme.

>>64674521
It's too bad this piece of shit has the exact same radar as a new Burke.
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>>64672493
This is a fucking retarded idea that has even less of a niche than the Kirovs.
Modern naval engagements are determined in decisive battles so this would likely sink just as fast as any frigate, or theyre slowly picking off enemies one by one like in Ukraine in which case this is still stupid because it's only capable of being in one place, and if it gets damaged itll spend the whole war getting repaired
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>>64672493
>No politics
But you realize that the whole concept is politics, right? It's not going to be built. That's why it's so funny. This is the American T-14 Armata, but worse.
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>>64673483
>I don't think they designers would claim it can do this if they knew it can't.
That didn't stop Edward Teller in the 80s and

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What was this thing supposed to do that couldn't just be done by some kind of shoulder-fired missile?
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>>64674195
>36 tons and worse protection
Barely lighter, and worse off in the role the booker was meant to perform i.e. working directly with infantry
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>>64674448
>better anti-fortification
>better anti-light armor
>farther gun range
>further operational range
Its just a better solution, and complaining about armor won't work, Army already said armor doesn't matter when people pointed out how the M10 had subpar protection
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>>64674484
>better anti fortification, light armor
dubious. 105 has a lot of good options for these
>farther gun range
Fair, it's a mortar after all
>protection is moot
The complaints about protection were about drones and atgms, which is why it was providioned for an APS whenever the army stopped dragging their feet on it. They just never installed any and likely never will, now. It's largely protected from anything smaller than an mbt gun wise which is important for it's role. The AMPV also has only 2 crew, because you know, it's a mortar carrier not direct fire support
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>>64674164
No, it might have caused increased wear on bridges in the vicinity of the base where the first few examples were assigned. Fortunately, the Army has its very own Corps of Engineers that could have inspected the bridges and reinforced them if necessary.

>>64674166
It was never a tank, and it was lighter than the Ajax, which performs the same role except worse in every possible way.
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>>64674245
Speaking of the Abrams, why not make a lightened version of it with the specs of the base X1, but all the outdated heavy electronics ripped out and replaced with fiber optics? What would that come out to in weight?

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Trump class BBG vs Type 055 Renhai class cruiser. 1v1 ship combat

Who wins?
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>>64674031
well they couldn't really call it the USS Diddler now could they?
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>>64674941
Zumwalt is 12,000 tons and mogs the Type 55 in every way.
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>>64674031
USS *REDACTED*
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>>64674957
except for the "getting built" part
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>>64674957
> in every way.
Like actively being built?

Yes. You should use this moment to reflect and be angry that the US Congress is full of short sighted retards.

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post photographs of counter-insurgency aircraft
piston engine, turboprop, or jet powered
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>>64671393
IIRC it was their aging fleet of Fw 190's used in that role, very rarely, and in a way that achieved absolutely nothing.
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>>64672261
>aging fleet of Fw 190's
>aging
ok but what do you mean
the Fw 190 (earliest versions) were brand new in 1941-42, and the war was over in 1945
also by 1944 the F and G dedicated ground attack variants were in service
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whee
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>>64664109
I love the Puccy

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how fucked are silencer wait times going to be next week?
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idk but wait times were basically measured in single digit days once people got whiff of the free ones in janurary. I shoulda snapped up more silencers quick. Shit was cash.
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>>64674174
Longer than it will be for the Supreme Court to rule the registry is an unlawful registration of weapons.
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>>64674519
Won't happen. There will be a series of lawgical hoops that make a registration not an infringement or they just decide to not take the case and it dies in court. I have more faith in other things happening then the jettisoning of the NFA registry.
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dubu spotted

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Could the Secret Service fight off a raid of Tier 1 operators?
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does the secret service get to prepare?
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No. Secret Service standards are surprisingly low. There's a video with a fat Secret Service woman struggling with her handgun after the attempted Trump assassination.

Secret Service does have a SWAT team that follows the president but from what I've heard they can be hit or miss on experience. There could be some former SOF guys on that team or they could just be Secret Service guys that applied to be there. There was a former SF guy that talked about being on that team, he said it was mind numbing boredom.
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>>64674627
There's various tiers of secret service. I'm sure the President gets all the ex-delta super cool guise ecks dee types. You'd have to forgive Joe for not giving the guy who tried a coup the best security the country could afford.
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>>64674973
>I'm sure the President gets all the ex-delta

Why would they hire ex-Delta when he can have current Delta to protect him? VIP protection is part of their job.
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>>64674978
You have to rotate your operators or else they stop producing things like gun-themed coffee and dip.

Jake Paul posted a photo of himself on his private jet surrounded by money and guns.

One of the guns appears to have a silencer. Aren't there very strict rules for transporting those? Aren't you supposed to inform the ATF if you cross state lines with an NFA item?
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>>64674377
Are you implying that either he's flying over state lines, or that he isn't telling the authorities?
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>>64674377
That's probably not even a real plane, but a set. Even if he's that rich, owns aircraft, etc etc it would be a massive pain in the ass and liability to setup a shoot like that on a real aircraft.
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>>64674468
I could overpower him and sexually gratify myself with his flesh. He is not my better. Simple as.
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>>64674377
Who the fuck is jake paul?
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>>64674468
they die just the same. Nobody's bulletproof

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>>64674908
one of my old rifles is in there its ok me and christmasbin are good friends he wouldnt do me dirty
hes not scroogebin
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>>64674555
checked but did you consider you may be on the naughty list?
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>>64674901
You might need to get the grip plug for it to be comfortable depending on your hand size, but otherwise you'll love it or hate it
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>>64674555
same here i dont know why everyone hates me so much but it hurts so bad and it feels like nothing i do is ever good ennough they just keep hating me and hating me and i suffer and cry but they wont ever stop even though all i try to do is share my love but they shit all over it and shit all over me
happy holidays to you and only you
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>>64674961
Post your gun.


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