The state of literature in 2025 is beyond parody. https://archive.ph/0ZeJQ
>>24785246the "left" promotes marriage only so far as it makes work for divorce lawyers.
>>24784864Homoerotic poetry has been pretty common in a lot of major societies throughout history. Its not gonna go away just because it upsets your delicate sensibilities.
>>24785261And just what do you think the left is pushing for now?
>>24783757It’s not academics. It’s groupthink from a BioLeninist coalition of women, sexual deviants, minorities, Jews, and physically inferior white men. The primary foot soldiers are women. They’re the cause of bias among academics. They’re the cause the bias among publishers. They’re the cause of bias among the media. They’re the ideological foot soldiers of all this shit everywhere. If women were forced back into the home and politically disenfranchised all this leftist bias would drop by 60% overnight.
>>24783746The second is probably a better example of why woke art sucks. I have no problem with political statements or messages in art, and I do genuinely believe that some of the best art made was borne of humanistic sentiments, but it’s completely performative and you can tell by how many intersections of identity and contemporary political issues they try to shoehorn. It can’t be that they’re a gay man trying to live among straight people, they have to be a brown atheistic cultural-Muslim transgender amputee stranded on a melted ice cap floating through car centric infrastructure.
Icebreaker: what are your favourite commentaries/secondary sources for understanding Plato?Robin Waterfield's The First Philosophers is something I find myself going back to every time a really get into a dialogue. Even though Plato is never really the focus of the book at any point, its really good for contextualising his philosophy alongside what had gone before. Not only does it help one distinguish what might be original ideas from mere developments or rearticulations of already existing ones, but its also useful for clarifying some of the more esoteric references. Take Phaedo for instance, the dialogue ends with the hemlock working its way through Socrates: >[the man administering Socrates the poison] felt it himself and said that when the cold reached his heart he would be goneAccording to Philolaus:>there are four sources of a rational creature - brain, heart, navel and genitals […] Head for thought, heart for soul…Therefore, there implication by Plato here is that Socrates' soul left his body at the point the cold reached his heartPrevious Thread: >>24705276 Recent Plato-related threads: >>24746113 (Will studying Plato give me wisdom on the nature of the soul?)>>24745236 (Academic consensus on Plato's metaphysics/epistemology?)>>24732342 (how does the physical world relate to the world of Forms?)>>24728045 (why did Medieval Christians prefer Aristotle over Plato?)
guys, I made a Plato reading server!https://discord.gg/PXtbdq5j
>>24784383Either download a few and compare them or just go with Loeb.>understand the allegory of the cave Start reading from the chapter right before the allegory. I think the allegory was at the start of chapter 6 so start with 5.
>>24768639choose wisely >that insipid windbag Proclus>I have here referred to Proclus because in him this procedure becomes specially clear through the frank audacity with which he carries it out. But in Plato also we find some examples of this kind, though not so glaring; and in general the philosophical literature of all ages affords a multitude of instances of the same thing. That of our own time is rich in them. Consider, for example, the writings of the school of Schelling, and observe the constructions that are built up out of abstractions like finite and infinite—being, non-being, other being—activity, hindrance, product—determining, being determined, determinateness—limit, limiting, being limited—unity, plurality, multiplicity—identity, diversity, indifference—thinking, being, essence, &c. Not only does all that has been said above hold good of constructions out of such materials, but because an infinite amount can be thought through such wide abstractions, only very little indeed can be thought in them; they are empty husks. But thus the matter of the whole philosophising becomes astonishingly trifling and paltry, and hence arises that unutterable and excruciating tediousness which is characteristic of all such writings. If indeed I now chose to call to mind the way in which Hegel and his companions have abused such wide and empty abstractions, I should have to fear that both the reader and I myself would be ill; for the most nauseous tediousness hangs over the empty word-juggling of this loathsome philophaster.t. Schopenhauer>in Proclus we have the culminating point of the Neo-Platonic philosophy; this method in philosophy is carried into later times, continuing even through the whole of the Middle Ages. […] Although the Neo-Platonic school ceased to exist outwardly, ideas of the Neo-Platonists, and specially the philosophy of Proclus, were long maintained and preserved in the Church.t. HegelHegel is not the german Aristoteles but the german Proclus.t. Feuerbach (meant as Kompliment, kek)
>>24785000the Eleusinian Mysteries were a cult dedicated to the gods of Persephone and Demeter. People would become initiated into the cult in return for promise of favourable treatment in the underworld. Regarding psychedelic experiences, no one seems to know for sure, although I've heard there are theories that say such. I do know however that similar things have been said of the Oracle of Delphi who it is suspected would inhale hallucinogenic gases before delivering her prophecy. Plato referenced the mysteries quite a few times throughout his works and Socrates shows a certain degree of reverence towards their teachings, even if he doesn't claim to fully understand them.I admit I don't have the most comprehensive knowledge on this subject (hence why I want to read into them more) but other smart anons on this thread might be able to chip in with some deeper insight
>>24785000The Eleusinian Mysteries were a kind of immortality cult devoted to Demeter, and based somewhat off of the Homeric Hymn to Demeter. Details are scarce because speaking openly about them was punishable by death, but one can infer pretty easily the connection between what Demeter stands for (the cycle of natural birth, death, and rebirth of the seasons and crops) and the expectation of being granted an immortal soul. It used to be somewhat exclusive, but it started taking on broader groups of initiates during the 5th and 4th centuries. There was apparently a kind of procession of initiates to the cult site, with some kind of visual spectacle of the things in Hades being acted out, followed by entering a dark temple where one would see a flash of light revealing a stalk of grain.As for psychedelics, it's not well established. Ergot has been found at one site conducting Mysteries away from Eleusis, but nothing from Eleusis itself, nor other Mystery sites that would establish it as an intended component. It's known from what brief descriptions exist that the initiates drank kykeon, which is mentioned in the Homeric Hymn to Demeter, but it probably would've just been a mix of wine and barley, and kykeon is made fun of by both Aristophanes and Theophrastus as a drink the poor use to get drunk, so it doesn't seem to be notable for being anything other than boozy.I went over some of the ways the Mysteries come up in Plato at >>24772713.
PEAK EditionStubbed >>24776634>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>Advice for Noobs!Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24785774Cradle, I guess?
In a scene where a character, who has grown up to be a mercenary, reunites with her abusive mother (like, just beat the shit out of her when she was a little girl), would it make sense for her to try and kill her mom?
>>24785825It depends. Is that what the character would do? Are you trying to say anything by that? Would your audience enjoy reading that?
>>24785825Only accidently. She better fuck her own father.> mercenary> femaleLMAO
>>24785825what's the setting and society like? maybe but probably not. I think some of the female (human) characters from the Malazan books might beat her up in this scenario. Seems out of place for generic western fantasy though.
tis this year’s nobel winner? lmao who fell asleep on the keyboard while naming him
>>24785473Bernhard has good prose but he does the same thing in every book and it gets tiresome. Krazs is much more varied in his interests and more imaginative in his settings, overall he is a much better writer
>>24785656Pretty much. There have been some that have been alright, but this is the only one I can think of that's fully deserved.
He looks cute, I want to pinch his cheeks and tug on his beard.
>1/3 people hate him because he's right wing>1/3 people hate him because he's left wing>1/3 people hate him because he's a jew>1/3 people hate him because he's hungarianbased artist
>>24785427I was looking for my post, thinking I was going crazy, before I realized this guy just reposted his thread word for word and with the same image.
Do you think your life will be more pleasant with anyone but me? Think about it!—Ah! certainly not!—Only with me can you be free. And since I swear to you that I will be kind from now on, that I deplore all my share of wrongs, that my mind is at last clear, that I truly love you—if you refuse to return, or to let me come to you, you are committing a crime, and you will repent of it for many years to come, through the loss of all freedom and torments perhaps even more dreadful than any you have known. After that, think back to what you were before you met me. As for me, I am not going back to my mother’s; I am going to Paris, and I will try to leave by Monday evening. You will have forced me to sell all your clothes—I can do no otherwise. They are not yet sold: they will only be taken away on Monday morning. If you wish to write to me in Paris, address your letters to L. Forain, 289 rue Saint-Jacques, for A. Rimbaud. He will know my address. Certainly, if your wife returns, I will not compromise you by writing to you—I will never write again. The only true word is this: come back. I want to be with you; I love you. If you listen to this, you will show courage and a sincere spirit. Otherwise, I pity you. But I love you, I embrace you, and we shall see each other again.
>>24784351it's crazy to think this was a completely heterosexual letter in the 19th century; men talked like this
>>24785631The Brussels police department didn't think so.
>>24785070verlaine for not realizing that when you date a child they will act like a child.
>>24785631Je suis élu, je suis damné !Un grand souffle inconnu m’entoure.Ô terreur ! Parce, Domine ! Quel Ange dur ainsi me bourreEntre les épaules tandisQue je m’envole aux Paradis ? Fièvre adorablement maligne,Bon délire, benoît effroi !Je suis martyr et je suis roi,Faucon je plane et je meurs cygne ! Toi le Jaloux qui m’as fait signe,Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24784467>tfw even if one did, it wouldn't even be quarter as poignant, original and sincere
Is atheism more about not wanting to believe in God than about actual evidence?
>>24785365>The object of killing is irrelevant to it.So we shouldn't kill animals or insects either?
>>24785365Wrong, the object of killing does matter. YHWH ordered the Isrealites to massacre the Caananites as a prerequisite for achieving the promised land. Saul lost his divine blessing when he failed to carry out the genocide of the Amalekites. Elijah and Elisha were directly responsible for dozens (if not hundreds!) of deaths between them in God's name. War and conquest, especially as the chosen people, is clearly a justified reason, as is purging heresy.
>>24785017Power seekers are manipulative psychopaths. Beliefs are optional window dressing. You don't get it. You believe in things. They don't.
>>24784442Sorry you weren’t good enough for the rapture.
>>24784442I just can’t stand dogma, that’s my real enemy. But the faith makes so many dogmatic just by virtue. I’ve been mad at religion for a long time now but the real enemy is dogma, I just don’t know how they can be separated. When you believe you know god and truth and it’s fact rooted in doctrine in a book.. The solution is probably to tie it to reason, human cognition, logic, etc. but that’s beyond most.
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>>24785097I remember how amateurish and bad Philosopher's Stone read, never continued past the first book.
I love how early 2000s fashion is in again. Give me baggy jeans over leggings on women any day of the week.
>>24785727based if trueearly 2000s clothes were comfy
>>24784885Honestly for anything that isn't electric, gas, or plumbing it's worth looking into diy solutions. Or like roofing. Most home repair stuff is not that difficult
>>24785727u gay?
Should I watch the film adapted from the masterpiece of 2025 Nobel winner, or dive into the book first? I guess no one here will be able to read the book in Hungarian, and I'm lingering between the English and Russian translation (fyi neither of them is my mother tongue).
>>24785663The film is literally 7 hours long. Reading the book is actually faster
I only watched the film, in one sitting (on the day of the Capitol takeover lmao, I completely ignored the news that day). It is a very good film, but it could have been shortened to 5 hours and a half - six hours...
>>24785685It could be shortened to 90 minutes easily.
>>24785663probably just watch the movie, otherwise it will be hard to imagine the context (unless you lived on a plains filled with communist infrastructure in the late 20th century)
Why has fantasy never had a literary masterpiece?
>>24784715Came here to post this.Mervyn Peake's prose is a consistent delight iirc.
>>24783527>I would say it has literary merit and is a work of literature.So is The Lord of the Rings, retard. Even The Hobbit as a children’s tale has a lot of artistic merit.
>>24783566Iliad and Odyssey are not fantasy, Metamorphoses arguably could be considered one, Aeneid was written to be the foundational history of Rome so not really fantasy either even if most Romans wouldn’t have believed this events to have been literal truth. Paradise Lost is fantasy though the author believed the events to have happened. Le Morte d’Arthur arguably could be fantasy like Metamorphoses.But doesn’t matter because none of them are fantasy as in fantasy as a literary genre. It’s like those retards that say “Orlando Furioso is actually sci fi because he traveled to the moon” ignoring the whole context.
>>24783338Just read the first page of this, prose is maximalist kino
I stopped reading in my late teens. Every year I promise I'll get back to it, but I never have the energy or the motivation. I've lost the war of willpower.
>>24784890find you a muse lil nigga
>>24784963It's far from perfect, it's only that the grass is always greener. For one I am on Methadone and have to take that every day, I can't tolerate even mild discomfort of a flu let alone withdrawal so will probably be on it until I die or kill myself because I am a massive pussy. I am struggling to find a job, but secretly I don't really want one because I am lazy and just want to lay around and read, my girlfriend with whom I live has developed clitoral pain in the past 3 months and gets shooting agonising pains when we try and engage in intimacy beyond her just sucking me off, we had an incredible sex life for almost 3 years and now this. >>24784977It's normalfag, or normalnigger. Normie is a reddit term retard.
>>24784977>>24785522>Normalfag ripostes fakecel Redditor in FLUENT board culture, STUNS truecels and wizards.
>>24784900Fpbp. It was the first word i was thinking while reading the op. It's not his lack of self-discipline but the way he writes that feels really faggot-like (or feminine)
2 problems1) you’re too saturated with media and other attention-time wasters 2) you’re not reading books that sincerely interest you
Tropical Beach EditionFAQ:>What is worldbuilding?Worldbuilding is the process of creating entire fictional worlds from scratch, all while considering the logistics of these worlds to make them as believable as possible. Worldbuilding asks questions about the setting of a world, and then answers them, often in great detail. Most people use it as a means of creating a setting or the scenery for a story.>"Isn't there a Worldbuilding general in >>>/tg/ already?"Yes, there is. However, that general is focused on the creation of fictional worlds for the intended purpose of playing TTRPG campaigns. Here you can discuss worldbuilding projects that are not meant to be used for a roleplaying setting, but for novels, videogames, or any other kind of creative project.>"Can I discuss the setting of my campaign here, though?"If you want to, but it would probably be better to discuss it on >>>/tg/ . We don't allow the discussion of TTRPG mechanics, however. If you want to discuss stats or which D&D edition is best, this is not the place.>"Can I talk about an existing fictional setting that is not mine?"Yes, of course you can!>"Does worldbuilding need to be about fantasy and elves?"Worldbuilding, as already stated above, and contrary to what many believe, does not inherently imply blatantly copying Tolkien. In fact, there are many science-fiction setting out there, and even entire alternative history settings which do not possess supernatural elements at all. Any kind of science fiction book has an implied setting at least, which involves a certain degree of worldbuilding put into it.Old Thread: >>24667235
>>24782083Piranhas
>>24782083Crocodiles and dire plovers.
What it feels like to say "I don't know" in response to shit you didn't care to talk about in your setting.>what is the tax code?>what do they eat?>why is there new world crops?>why don't they use nuclear reactors instead of natural gas?>how come the thieves' guild hasn't been stopped yet?>if there is ghosts does that mean there is an afterlife?I don't know (I don't care, imagine your own answer).
Do you have ghosts in your story?
God these threads are shit.All anyone does is posts bumps, vaguely gesture towards their story they'll never write, or ask question in hopes othe problems do the leg work for them.Or worse some pedantic asshole comes and says "that is le derivative"
Why is this board full of leftists all of a sudden? I’ve noticed it a lot in like the past month. Their posts are very easy to spot since they are so shameless. Is there some subversion campaign targeting this board now in order to undermine discussion they don’t want happening? Pic related, some interesting books I’ve found.
>>24785766He sounds like a typical Republican voter desu. We are living through a mass psychosis. The shock of seeing a black man elected twice in a row gave half the country a traumatic brain injury from which it has yet to recover. I wonder what will happen when something genuinely terrible comes up, like a major war, a depression, a pandemic that kills more than 0.5% of the infected. Probably a violent collapse of our society.
>>24785766right, exactly: you want dissidents to be pharmaceutically neutralized by the psychiatric industry, because you are such an enemy of "the man" and "technocracy." right?
It’s a default rightist board but when board quality is low a lot of us take a board sabbatical. Then the leftists move in, then we come back, and they leave. The cycle repeats every 3-5 years or so.
>>24764011This is completely horseshit. I’ve been on this board forever. I would not say it was an overtly chud board until around 2016 but it was absolutely without question NOT a leftist board.
>>24785800It's actually quite difficult to forcibly medicate someone in America, a judge has to sign off and the person has to have a strong history of violence or self-destructive behavior. Loads of insane people walk among us without any medication. But wait a second, weren't you all up in arms just two weeks ago about that girl in Charlotte? If that homeless guy had been on Haldol he likely would not have done it. But with you lot it's one thing after another, today it's le evi trannies, tomorrow it'll be microplastics, then chemtrails, a kaleidoscope of emotionally charged non-issues and conspiracy theories. I don't think you should be on meds I just think you should be put in a camp or something like that.
Post your own work and critique others.
why did you have tobreak my heart so callouslyafter what we shared
Rapid, the air begun to cool, and quitesharply—in the short period since dinner—as it does on many an autumn nightwhen April fails in muffling the Sun's fury during his daily tear across the sky. The walls of my new house were thin; the gapbetween the front door and the porch cementwas wide, and I felt the sting of the East Windrubbing its Ocean-scented unguent over the irritated scab of Earth I live atop of, as it seeped into,and throughout every bit of the living-room.I might've liked the chill a bit betterif I weren't already down to my undies.
>>24697242fine, here goes nothing. it's a bit long so bear with meComing home is terriblewhether the dogs lick your face or not;whether you have a wifeor just a wife-shaped loneliness waiting for you.Coming home is terribly lonely,so that you thinkof the oppressive barometric pressureback where you have just come fromwith fondness,because everything’s worseonce you’re home.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24705258I hate the first line but this has potential
>>24705855This was pretty good >>24706594Not bad>>24708327This is excellent wtf >>24718114Not bad
I am writing a short story with my protag being a 36 year old married white woman HS Teacher that fucks her former student and likes driving also her only daughter just went off to college.
>>24784633I just made those suggestions because I think it'll help keep the story tight if you have a shorter cast of characters that are playing more roles in the story. Will also give you a lot more time to develop them of course (and because the cucking idea earlier anon suggested was very eroi desu). Anyway best of luck with the writing.
>>24784612This, and also she's a primary school teacher and her daughter just started high school
I just realized Quebec has a weird as fuck school system. They end secondary school at 16 and then from 17-18 they go to a college prep school instead before going to college. Weird. >>24785003I dont have the balls to write /ss/ senpai
>>24784182Isn't this just the plot of the devil in the flesh
>>24785141Never watched that. Read the synopsis and doesn't seem like what I'm writing at all.
I’m wanting to read more into fascism and it’s philosophical and political inspirations as of late both for myself as a fascist and as a means to better describe or show people the intellectual tradition it stems from.I’ve read most of the boilerplate literature (Doctrine of Fascism, Mosley’s 100 Questions for Fascism and other assorted works, some Falangist works, schizoposts from when IronMarch still existed etc.) as well as some of the thinkers that inspired them such as Hobbes with the concept of the state, legitimacy and the sovereign as well as Nietzsche and his concept of Will to Power and to strive for strength and abhor weakness.Is there anything else you guys would recommend I should read next or what thinkers I should look into, be it from the fascist tradition or from thinkers that predated it.
>i like power>therefore i will make a doctrine about me getting to keep that power, and only me!there is your literature bro
>>24772208Thats because American thought in of itself its not too conducive to it. Regardless, a lot of the stuff i ingested years ago has been wiped away with me engaging with Pragmatist thought and phenomenology which are worlds away from Fascism. Thats not to say I have abandoned all precepts of it.
>>24772108this one is good
>>24785370My God how spot on he was! Thank you for this post.
>>24782756>Every ideological relic of "what it means to be Canadian" was at some point cooked up by a cabal of liberal party beaurocrats and dissiminated through joint State-Private media partenerships.I'm not from Canada (been there a few times) and the way the Liberal Party taps into nationalism better than the Tories is an interesting thing to me:https://youtu.be/jKQPw9vmG04>>24778867>The only distinct thing about the early fascists seems to be the idea of prioritizing unity and trying to figure out and use whatever secret sauce fuelled the Romans. All the retarded lists of "signs of fascism" apply more to supposed liberals than anyone else.Zeev Sternhell wrote some books that treated it as a distinct ideology that fused together revolutionary concepts from the left with anti-Enlightenment concepts from the right. The story of its evolution in Italy was from revolutionary-minded types (often attracted to revolutionary syndicalism) who sought to overcome turn-of-the-century cultural decadence and saw class warfare by the proletariat as the means to do that. Sorel's theories about mobilizing myths and passions was influential (because the proletariat is too easily bought off by corrupt liberal parliaments and reform-minded labor parties), and this is also where the anti-Enlightenment stuff comes in because the Enlightenment was rooted in concepts like reason, science, and progress (Marxism identified with this tradition as did liberalism) compared to the intangible values like heroism which the emerging fascists based their ethic in.You see this anti-Enlightenment stuff on the right today if you know where to look. Like, nostalgia for the Middle Ages and a feeling that there's more to life than just working some normie job. It's like romantic chivalry and heroism. Well, these ideas were super-charged by World War I, while the newly-minted fascists (who started as a pro-war "angry patriots" veterans club) dropped the class warfare stuff for nationalism. Like these former syndicalists started talking about "Italian workers" instead of "workers" and then dropped that for just "Italy." And this also linked up with the bigger anti-communist movement on the right since there was a revolution in Russia and labor unrest in many countries after the war.But the military side of things doesn't get stated enough IMO. There was just a huge number of men who had been through trench warfare, and could in theory practice that inside their own countries. Ukraine today is like this but most Americans for example don't serve in the army, it's a relatively small percentage of the population. Israel has a lot of men serve in the army, something like 1/20 Israelis went off to war in the past two years:https://youtu.be/cjL0VI2UmMY
