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Aristotle is essential to understanding Plato and (Neo)Platonism (and Christianity)The faith of a child is nothing to scoff at but as we age so must our faith or so it should...
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>>24955864"Complete Works">Table of Contents "Not Everything Is Included"Needs a different name.
>>24955899if an 'eternal truth' has a start in time, then it's simply not an eternal truth
>>24959357*extremely loud incorrect buzzer buzzes*
>First time reading myth of Er in the Republic>nearly 1:1 retelling of the Christian myth of afterlife judgement, down to virtue vs vice/sin, tribulations and suffering for sinners, and Tartarus/hell for worse offenders>wonderful heaven vistas for the virtuous before choosing ones next Daemon and REINCARNATING>the man who supposedly told this tale died in battle and resurrected>all with same book that the Noble lie was introduced to the Western cannonWTF. Is Christianity just a Platonic noble lie -religion? What are the actual origins to this religion? This isn’t even including other religion and myths ranging with the same motifs that predated Christianity.
>>24956580>Sheol, where everyone goes without exception, no reward or punishment coming into the puctureno, thats hades
>>24954076>>24954196>>24954209Every single one of you are engaging in an elaborate game of self refutation and question begging in which you vet the authenticity and admissibility of textual sources with the criterion that they agree with your thesis in order to support your thesis. The moment you apply your skepticism evenly your argument collapses. You are so committed to a pseudo-gnostic “unmasking” of history that you don’t even realize you’re operating entirely on genetic fallacies and post hoc ergo proctor hoc reasoning. You always assume that similarity implies derivation, and that derivation implies falsity. You’re letting psychological frustrations override your rational capacities, and it’s interfering with your ability to make sound judgements about things.
>>24954260delusional cope.What came before, by definition stood on it's own merit.Regardless of who "discovered" it.I'll give an example:America the continent is an awesome place to live geographically.Just because white settlers turned the massive chunk of middle America into the US doesn't mean the US wasn't an awesome place to live pre-colonial America.Conversely had it remained uninhabited even into the current year, it would still have always had the potential to be what it is now.The reason the history of ancient thought is popular is because ancient thought is worthy of interest in a historical context, and the merit of their ideas.Not because a religion incorporated some of the knowledge, or values.
>>24958011Ancient thought has intrinsic philosophical merit but its survival is historically contingent upon Christian institutions. The difference between your analogy and the preservation of the Greek authors is that the nation of the United States was never the sole reason for the continued existence of the landmass of America into the present age. Aristotle didn’t stand there waiting to be discovered, he survived because the tradition preserved, copied and and interpreted him. The tradition from which works are received is the condition by which that work is intelligible.
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This is a long shot, but does anyone have that essay someone posted here years ago about how Patrick Bateman is in hell? It was really insightful and id love to read it now that I've actually gotten around to reading the book
>>24959342what do you need an essay for the first line of the book is "Abandon all hope ye who enter here"
>>24959345Well its not a damn crossword puzzle. The essay said something about Tim Price going on some spiritual trial and coming back with the ash Wednesday marking on his forehead. Its one of the only genuinely insightful things I've ever read on 4chan
Patrick Bateman died as he lived, burning in hell.
I wanna learn more about meditation and stuff. Im reading "Buddha's Brain" and it's fine, but its from 2012. What are some good books about this subject?
take up swimmingyou'll end up meditating while getting fit
No matter the school it all starts the same - just stay in place and observe your breath for 20-30 minutes. Until you can keep at it daily for 3 months reading books is just procrastination.
Sit and observe your breath. Once you've done that for a few months daily, you should be pretty decent at it. The next level is to try and observe the "thing" that is observing your breath. Turn the light around.
>>24958123You want to learn about meditation or how to meditate?
My lust died the second I wrote the average feminine nature on paper and stratified it according to its moral nature. I am now convinced that the only thing you are supposed to do as a soul, as a man is to wrestle your own flesh into submission, find God and develop a prosperous and altruistic relationship with our creator in order to escape this prison. 99% of women are half humans with no souls, everything they strive for and enjoy is ultimately evil in its nature. The very core of femininity is absolute evil that seeks to devour good men with the same glee and joy youd get from stomping out some dorky kids sand castle.Once I realized why women are the way they are, it's like I've finally been enlightened as to why hermit monks become hermits in the first place. It's all a lie, its all a joke. This planet is a prison, women are archons who genuinely don't give a fuck about anything but they have to pretend to have interests beyond themselves just so men dont become suspicious and notice the huge disparity in the nature of each gender. It's not a complimentary nature, it's completely one-sided and parasitic. The entire role of women is to entrap a mans life force and pull another soul onto this false reality incarnation trap. Thats all they were designed to do. Satan takes a hold of their hivemind vessels with comedic ease and no resistance. They are all beyond corrupt, they fall apart once a month and endure pain unless they fulfill their ill-natured task. There is nothing in this world worth striving for besides Gods love. There is absolutely NOTHING in this world that is worth your place in heaven.
>>24956843They were elevated beyond property and second class status and given the entertainment of and expectations of being psychically and spiritually genuine individuals, when they were made to be bound to others in submission. They're evil and soulless because we apply the same standards and expectations of men to them and then legally emancipated them as if they could actually function as such.When you think of them as separate incomplete creatures that can only be fixed by husbands or a convent then your expectations adjust and your hatred shifts from women to the people that emancipated them and psyoped us into this situation.I won't get angry at the dog for eating food from the kitchen counter, I'll get angry at the idiot that left food on the counter with an unattended dog nearby.Sexism funnily made me stop hating women because it gave me understanding to the chaos and evil in their nature. I became super antisemitic though. You can love women when you recognize them as ontologically less than man.
>>24958750The madonna-whore thing is mainly grift because nearly all sides of the political spectrum deal in 'woman worship' that tries to elevate them in front of the divine when really only like one woman in history has been perfect which was the actual Madonna, Mary the Mother of God. Don't listen to what anyone has to say, don't waste time considering women outside the obvious practical things. Only ever possibly receive advice from a woman if it's an old gradma that accomplished desirable outcomes (they will have been super evil but now have hindsight to let you know what to watch out for in them and others) or are old nuns (same case) and even then only a small amount.Women are whores if you leave them unattended and Madonnas if you can "oppress" them. The few female saints are ones with the will and repentance that bound themsleves to "oppression" under God.
>>24956843Ah, I remember being a virgin.
>>24958762>>24956967>madonna>women worshipReality
>>24957028You don't need to resist anything; it's a matter of perspective/attitude, not force. If you understand the movements of the mind, you see them differently, and there's very little effort required to let them blow past you like wind. Indians are a slave race. You must be ignorant to think they are the creators of Hinduism rather than its incidental inheritors cum retarded custodians. Nor is it any better a look for you to hold up the basest men of any nation as exemplars of their culture's traditions, in a vacuum disregarding their own individual development as men which is essential to virtue.
sansa editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>24922194
>>24957759You are arguing with someone who paints his nails, don't take the bait.
>>24958733if the Hound fucked Sansa literally no one would protest.
>>24956914ASOIAF video games about isekai Viserys III, gameplay using nemesis system
>>24958117Elric is cool.
>>24958117Elric truly is eternal.
I am about to have eye surgery in a couple weeks. I'm trying to prepare by getting a bunch of audiobooks (lectures would also be good). I've downloaded Beowulf, Gawain and the Green Knight, Paradise Lost, and the Divine Comedy (totally unrelated). I want to immerse myself in the history of English literature, and I don't want to do this by reading Dickens or Twain but by "starting with the Greeks" of English. I won't be able to reliably use my eyes for multiple days, so audiobook versions are necessary.
Audiobooks don't count as reading.
>no robin hoodRobin Hood is the English hero and more foundational to english literature than even arthur is
>>24958625Just take some Western canon lists and pick English works from there. Alsohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_literature
>>24958625Just search 'author-name discogs' and there should be countless audiobooks, some by very talented actors, some by the authors themselves, especially for poetry.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xZt6vwKpI4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAWaZqDf-VEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARiDhGRX7eghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGH4p4z4s5A
>>24958625>I won't be able to reliably use my eyes for multiple days, cyoor, you've certainly picked an appropriate time to start this endeavour
A lot of Jews on here try to besmirch the tradition of virtue ethics by claiming that our Christian ancestors were not virtuous and that virtue has historically not existed.You are semitic Marxist filth stemming from a religion of child molesters and foreskin-snatchers. Jews have no right to speak of virtue when they wholly embody the archetype of the merchant, content to sell off every last bit of tradition for a couple more shekels.
>>24959257He disavows Marxism in Whose Justice? Which Rationality? What is this guilt-by-association gossip schlock. >nooooo stop listening to this thinker that was basically right about everything and read gaynon or ebola instead!!!!Go away. Fed level concern trolling
>>24959269Nigel Carlsbad (Pseudonym) was a very Conservative sort of liberal, though. I'm pretty sure he was even catholic. Haller, his idol, even converted to Catholicism. Just like all your favourite peddlers and hawkers.
>>24959288Like clockwork the sycophants come out of the woodwork to counter-signal and typify whenever a worthy challenge to the moral therapeutic order enters the discourse. Oh I’m sure you’ve got all the secret knowledge, that’s why you haven’t actually taken a position that wasn’t just poisoning the well. Why don’t you take a position or fuck off. Tell me what I ought to believe instead.
>>24959317>Tell me what I ought to believeGrim...
>>24957416Virtue is a polytheistic, specifically Greek idea. Christianity says good works aren't enough, that's what they mean, virtue is not enough, you also need to be saved.
Do you think Mrs. Reilly is a sympathetic character? Is the she a good mother in spite of her flaws?
>>24958320You might have a point of there wasn't thousands of works obviously superior to it
>>24958300Nah, for some reason redditors hate this book, and they’re the most vocal about it. Never figured out why.
>>24956957Is that Mario?!!
>>24956957she's a negligent wino that gave up on her son years ago
>>24958531You can't tell? Obviously because of how it represents homosexuals and negroes. And Ignatius is the exact type of person the average redditor fears more than anything.
The five-star rating system is a terrible. There are many books I read which ok, but not bad or unenjoyable. Maybe they don't do anything special, or they didn't grip me, or they are too messy. I don't want to give this sort of book a 2 star rating, as that is, to me, a negative rating, and these aren't bad books. Then there are many books which are good and/or enjoyable. Maybe they are well-made slop. Maybe they are objectively good, but simply don't particularly appeal to me. However I can't justify 4 stars (which is for great books) or 5 stars (which is for Great, perfect, or personally important books). There is a huge gap between these two qualities of books to me as a reader, but there is no way to distinguish between them on Goodreads (or similar platforms with five-star-no-half-star rating systems).For me, a six- or seven-star system would be the best. It doesn't matter how natural fives and tens are when they don't align with our needs. Ten is too many (this applies also to five-star-half-star systems). My ideal system:>1: Personal grudge, complete hatred, or abject amateurism>2: All-around bad, but not egregiously so>3: Bad but with moments; ok but not personally appealing; [fine but derivative; perfectly average]*>4: Good but messy; enjoyable slop; objectively good but not particularly personally interesting>5: Great, but not perfect>6: PerfectComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24959120and in reality romanticism is surrealism and poststructuralism. there really isnt that much difference between lotr and gays on thrones other than the sex porn
Just combine your 1 and 2 and 5 and 6 together and use goodreads. Nobody except you cares what is perfect or your personal grudges.
>>24959250saying mid is an insult. the only ratings are yes and no
>>24958113I don't mind. Let books be rated lower. No solution will prevent YA from having higher overall ratings than world literature.
>>24958113The middle score is best as the most ambiguous rating because most books you read should be falling in the range of kinda okay to pretty good
What the fuck is the point of Shakespeare?I tried reading him and it was basically all crazy shit like:>IAGAMLETHELLO: Prithee, sir, — thou hast sharted’st on my breeches.>MACPUCKSPERO: Why, fie, sir! Me, share on thy breeches? Fie, fie, fie! Get thee hence! How darest thou to make such a baseless accusation, with such venom in thy tongue, as if cloving the air with thunder with thy speech?What the fuck does that even mean?People call him the greatest writer of all time, or at least one of the greatest writers/poets of the English language, for this?Why would I deadass be ris asking this when I could fr be gooning to hentai or nodding out on some percs and xannies and just chilling?Yall a bunch of fucking boomer uncs, I’m not even going to try to be well-read anymore, I’m just going to get fucked up on Xanax, instead.Fuck you, boomer, I don’t give a shit about Shakespeare. Or James Joyce for that matter.
>>24958136>exuent
>>24958152ywnbaw
>>24959055>le bard is a champion of the lower class>as if a single lower classman can understand a single page of his intentionally complex and obscure writing
He has his moments."Then lay on, MacDuff. And *damned* be he that first cries 'hold, enough'."He was a hard-ass about it.Also, the macbeth prophecy was cool."Thou shalt rule, until Birnham wood to Castle Dunsinane comes."He took this prophecy of the witches to mean he would rule forever, because how could the woods themselves come for his castle. But at the end? Hunters were using *camoflage* to get close enough to come and attack. It was more bad ass than it was given credit for.
No point in reading if you don't like him.
Vote for your top science fiction and fantasy books. https://forms.gle/h1puBAFsy337X3PN7The poll will remain open for as long as feels appropriate. Let me know if there are any errors on the list.
>science fiction and fantasy>literaturepick one
>>24958909Sorta strange that some are grouped by series and some are not, but otherwise a very solid list
>Vance beating BotNSUhh... pseudbros?
Was his influence on hindu religious tradition overblown? It seems like the majority of hindus adhere to qualified non-dualism (vaishnavites) or straight up dualism (shaivites).
>>24959180>Was his influence on hindu religious tradition overblown? It seems like the majority of hindus adhere to qualified non-dualism (vaishnavites) or straight up dualism (shaivites).His significant influence is considered to be not simply a matter of quantity of followers but it has a qualitative dimension to it (it is typical of modern people to think of quantity as a substitute for quality as Guénon points out), i.e. he was extremely influential in terms of being a brilliant metaphysician and highly analytical thinker who would shape much of the debate that would dominate succeeding generations and who inspired legions of later Advaitins who expanded on his many arguments.Also, your post leaves out Shaktism, which is one of the 3 big sectarian denominations alongside Vaishnavism and Shaivism. And the vast majority of Shaktists and the Shaktist Puranas and Shaktist Upanishads espouse a kind of non-dualism that partly Shaivist and partly Advaitic and which self-consciously identifies itself as being in the lineage of Śaṅkara. Advaita effectively dominates Shaktism like how Vaishnavism is largely dominated by Viśiṣṭādvaita, Dvaita, etc. Shakti Tantra is commonly taught in Advaita temples and practiced among nominally-Advaitic Smartas and the main Shaktist philosophers like Bhāskararāya explicitly write that Shankara and his disciple Suresvara are right about everything when it comes to metaphysics. Several is the texts that are the mainstay of the Śrī Vidyā Shaktist tradition like the Saundaryalaharī and the Śrī Lalitā Triśatī Bhāṣya are even ascribed to Śaṅkara, although they likely by a later author.
Śaṅkara’s influence on Hinduism is so extensive that it is best understood not merely as the founding of Advaita Vedānta, but as a decisive reshaping of the intellectual and religious conversation of South Asia itself. Through his bhāṣyas on the Upaniṣads, Bhagavad Gītā, and Brahmasūtras, he established a mode of argumentation distinguished by exceptional lucidity, restraint, and logical rigor, in which śruti, reasoning (yukti), and direct realization (anubhava) were woven into a tightly coherent whole. These works set the benchmarks against which all later Vedāntic schools were compelled to define themselves. Viśiṣṭādvaita and Dvaita did not merely disagree with Śaṅkara; they adopted his categories, his methods of textual interpretation, and even his terminology, testifying to the way his positions defined the very terrain of debate. Modern scholars—both Indian and Western—continue to remark on the “airtight” quality of his arguments and the clarity with which complex metaphysical claims are defended, making his corpus a model of philosophical precision that remains intellectually compelling even to critics.At the same time, Śaṅkara’s thought profoundly shaped religious traditions far beyond formal Advaita. His non-dual vision contributed decisively to the Vedāntic reinterpretation of Śaivism and Śāktism, a process often described as the “Vedantification” of these traditions. Paurāṇic literature, minor Upaniṣads, and later yogic and tantric texts increasingly reflect Advaitic assumptions about brahman, māyā, and liberation, often presenting devotion, mantra, and yoga as preparatory or expressive modes of non-dual realization. Within Śākta traditions—especially Śrīvidyā—Śaṅkara’s influence is visible in the integration of sophisticated ritual practice with a rigorously non-dual metaphysics, a synthesis later elaborated by commentators such as Bhāskararāya. Similarly, many yogic texts adopt Advaitic language about the identity of ātman and brahman, showing how Śaṅkara’s ideas permeated disciplines ostensibly focused on practice rather than philosophy.
Śaṅkara’s reach also extended into vernacular and inter-sectarian spiritual movements, shaping currents of bhakti and mysticism across centuries. The teachings of Jñāneśvara and the Vārkarī tradition in Maharashtra reflect a deeply internalized non-dual metaphysics articulated through devotional poetry, while nirguṇa bhakti figures such as Kabīr drew upon a shared intellectual atmosphere in which ultimate reality was understood as beyond form, name, and social distinction. Even Sikh thought, while doctrinally independent, emerged within a landscape saturated with Advaitic vocabulary and concerns, and later mystics such as Sai Baba of Shirdi exemplified a lived spirituality that resonated strongly with Śaṅkara’s emphasis on direct realization over sectarian boundary-making. Through philosophy, ritual theory, devotional practice, Paurāṇic narration, yogic discourse, and popular mysticism, Śaṅkara’s vision came to inform not just one school, but the broader Hindu—and indeed South Asian—understanding of what it means to know the ultimate truth.
>>24959315>>24959330>>24959331Guenonfaggot has been summoned! Hide yo wife, hide yo kids
>>24959180Same way most christians don't really subscribe to Master Eckhart's conception of God, or most muslims are not Sufis. Mystic non-duality is usually a minority within any religion because its very hard to build a practical ideology for common daily life around.
What are some famous examples of weird literature or theatre?
>>24958526>invitation to a beheadingThanks anon, I'm going to read this next. I'm sure I've got it somewhere.
>>24956180My book. Weird as shit.
>>24958763Wat it about
>>24959105Many things. Art. Psychology. Marketing. The occult. Geoducks. Density and layered metaphor. Growing up. Being a dick, but being a nice guy. Little something for everyone, and a box bigger inside than it appears from the outside, only observable when you start to unpack it.
>>24956180I vote for Franz Kafka's "The Castle", simply because due it's unfinished nature, the book becomes gradually more dense/incomprehensible/confusing and famously ends mid-sentence
Do you guys ever check out little free libraries
>>24956905Why would I give them away when I could sell them? Esp since I am a borderline brokie (I spend a significant portion of my NEETbux on books), and I've got a good used bookshop to sell them to.
>>24957300give them away to...friends?
>>24955631That would cost more money, and donations were scarce enough as it is.
>>24957037Like who?
>>24958894name 5 wealthy greats
