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Recommended reading charts. (Look here before asking for vague recs)
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb

>Archive:
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads:
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

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>Thread Question:
Is historical fantasy generally treated as worse than regular fantasy?
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Apparently this is the red rising announcement for tomorrow linked to the book of lorn stuff that was revealed earlier in the week:

>The secret project is, based on Hazard Bedlam and related posts, a prequel series called "The Book of Lorn". It will be told episodically in a mixed medium presumably some combo of text, since we have the first page of it, and visuals, since we've seen art from it. Audio to be confirmed. The episodes will be released EXCLUSIVELY on the Lit Escalates Patreon, so membership is required to partake.

>There is an epic tradition in Sci-fi of serialized content, and books by the greats like Issac Assimov, Robert Heinlein and Frank Herbert all started their grand lives as serialized short stories via magazines. We want to go back to those roots, and this new secret project is an experiment with that classic format in proper Shit Escalates format. Хoхo -Pierce & Joel"

Sounds meh and I'm not subscribing to fucking patreon for it. Just give us red god
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>>24725482
It's his best book
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>>24726734
Nah. They're all slop authors that write and review other slop. They gave a good review for the Orc City book ffs.
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>>24726331
infamous is my favourite wip..
but i hate IF cause authors always milk their fanbases.
Why the fuck do thwese IFs take SO.FUCKING.LONG. to release?

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>>24727219
What's the point of being nice anyways?
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>>24727278
It's a manifestation of the grace God gives all humans
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>>24725438
It's a very long story. Though it's a shame you can't choose the family you're born into
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I enjoy listening to this radio station as I sleep: https://onlineradiobox.com/ca/cbux909/
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This is also a very relaxing field sounds album.

Has anyone on here actually read this bullshit?

So let me get this straight: he joins Communist Party USA in the 1920s out of his own nihilism and hatred of the world, gets suckered into being a paper boy in the alleged communist underground, then his wife refuses to get an abortion which causes him to change his values entirely and abandon communism only to become a rat for the US government? Am I missing something here?

Were Americans in the 1950s really that fucking gullible they can't see how his story is full of holes?
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>>24726830
I mean, his knowledge of Marxism was terrible and his claims are exaggerated at best.
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>>24722209
>>24722218
There's a book similar and much more comprehensive than this entitled Political Conversion: Personal Transformation as Strategic Public Communication. He goes over Chambers, Podhoretz, and Horowitz in great detail.
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>>24722484
>>24722487
>Her story would have been a lot more compelling had she been a radical anarchist feminist or something before turning right-wing and pro-life.

Correct, and also realize her book is amateurish because she wrote it only two years after becoming pro-life. This was before she became Catholic so she wasn't thinking in terms of metaphysics. It's also why the movie features a lot more political polarization than the book, probably because Abby helped write the script and wanted to play up the good vs. evil stuff. In the film everyone who works at the abortion clinic but her is blatantly evil. In the book, she almost gives them the benefit of the doubt and sees the good in them. Shows how her ideology became much more right-wing in the years between the book and the film.
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>>24726685
Because saving his daughter from an abortion that the party was forcing his wife to have, and later seeing the mass horrors communism caused in the USSR due to Marxism's extremist materialist philosophy is what woke him up. Commies see people as nothing but a means to an end, not as unique souls with a personal destiny.

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This board feels like arguing with two old lovers stuck in bins while one guy loudly screeches in a chair and pisses himself, and makes as much noise as possible, and everything is dying slowly. Everything is turned grey. And we’re out of pain killers.
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>>24722570
I am pissing myself, you are licking it, it is infected. The piss is infected. You are licking it. You are licking it. You are licking it. The piss is infected.
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>>24727390
>/lit/ does not read and makes threads about authors
True
>/mu/ listens to music and talks about musicians
Slow your roll, friend
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>>24727405
My roll? Guessing that is some /mu/ism, I don't spend much time there and it has been at least a decade since I have known their memes.
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I dunno, guys, I've been on 4chan since 2008 and I don't really feel the desire to leave. I don't even think /lit/ is that bad, really. I'm not bothered by the site, I love this place, it's nice to talk freely without having to have what you say attached to a name or a personality.

I'll be here until they shut the site down, and I don't think /lit/ is dead, or dying any time soon.
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>>24727416
Show me one (1) /lit/ post that of worth

The wikipedia article on Asperger syndrome says those who have it have poor prosody.

But isn't dependence on prosody for conveying information really a sign that the language is poor? When I say language I mean in the sense of English, Latin etc are languages.

When I asked chatgpt about prosody it gave this as an example of what prosody is.

>How the voice rises at the end of a sentence to indicate a question:
>"You're going to the store?"

In English you can change the word order to indicate a question, but nevertheless this is an example chatgpt gave, and something people often do, to use this word order and yet mean it to be a question. However in Latin this is not a problem because Latin originally didn't even have the question mark, but instead used the suffix "-ne". A question mark is in writing only, it does not transfer to speech, just like a comma. You don't say out loud "question mark" or "comma", but rather this is conveyed by prosody, in the example above by rising voice.

My point is that while the question mark often requires prosody to convey its meaning in speech, the suffix "-ne" does not. And it's the same thing with comma, Latin didn't originally have the comma, and it doesn't transfer to speech other than through prosody. Instead Latin conveyed the meaning through other means such as suffixes which you have in speech just as much as in writing, ie there is no need for prosody to communicate a suffix.

Given that English relies on prosody to convey the equivalent in speech in many instances where there is question mark and comma in writing, and given that Latin didn't even have question mark and comma originally, and both before and after the addition of question mark and comma to Latin it does not require neither these forms of punctuation, nor their speech counterpart which is prosody, I'd say that Latin a) is less dependent on prosody than English, b) is a richer language, and c) English uses punctuation and prosody to try to make up for its poverty.
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Why would you avoid using oral tools to convey a message? And if you use them, and most people use them, the normal thing to happen is the simplification of language.

Generally, what is good for literature is opposite to what's good for the average speaker. But how are you going to evaluate the language as a whole without linking the evaluation to a purpose? Latin may be better for literature, but maybe it wasn't the best for many other purposes, and thus why it dissappeared. Plus reality is constantly changing so language has to adapt to those changes (which imply new purposes of speakers) and new vocabulary is probably not enough; as there are many implicit metaphysical assumptions in language, maybe grammar evolves with them, or viceversa (I guess it would be a bidirectional influence).

>what you say is relativism

I don't think it is, I think languages can be compared but given certain purpose. Maybe we could achieve a global comparison if we evaluate the most important and noble purposes, but that would need a thorough examination, and I don't think that would be a sensible project, since we would have to compare languages (in this case, latin) at purposes which didn't exist back then, which is the very reason why they dissappeared in the first place.

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Shit rules, my 1975 issue of Penthouse takes on a journey from a at the time contemporary account at the insane resurgence of Scott Joplin, a detail look at how OG pirates & Film Archivists would get their copies of Jaws & Nashville while trying to break into the Technicolor office to steal reels but the FBI stopped them, to an interview with this Israeli author who interviewed Kissinger post the Yom Kippur war & had his book censored by the Israeli government, to a multi page spread of this dimepiece being spread eagle talking about how she loves older Syrian men, to a guide on how to make penises out of arts & crafts supplies, to a ode to 1975 where a guy talks about how he missed the 50s where he'd yell at people that their mom "Pulled their Pork" but now it's just disco kids in sharkskin suits & Nixon fucking with his Hawaii Five-O episodes all next to 12 different cigarette ads..... Where else can you get this shit???? It kicks ass, more people need to read them lmao, it's literally everything you'd want from literature in one place, like sure if you want to just beat it than the mags are obsolete, but I don't even want to beat it as much as I want to read about what people in 1975 had to say about if Lee Harvey Oswald was framed with the occasional photo of a red head in stockings, it's just back to back things that make you say "Sweet".... Shame that this isn't considered respectable literature when I'm pretty sure everyone would prefer to read some MFA Graduates substack on foreign affairs with Nepal if next to it you had a cartoon of a horny wizard, an ad for HiFi equipment, & some chick with a big bush draped in gold & in the nude, it's a flawless formula that makes reading fun compared to Googling "Kissinger interview" & getting a PDF, did I want to read about Kissinger???? No, but I did, & now I'm more intelligent & my reward was the next page the lady had an awesome bush.... There is value in the serendipity of flipping through a 3 page write up on the NSA to then get hit with some cheesecake then go a review of a French film you've never heard of no algorithm can beat that.... It's just Based Reading for guys who have interests in culture to centerfolds of girls from Des Moine & everything in between, plus they'll literally never become useless as no matter what if you ain't got shit going on just have a copy or two on your nightstand, flip to the Penthouse Pet of the Month, say "Awesome" for a minute or two, & then keep it moving, I don't think Proust does that, it's chaotic yet based reading.....
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>>24725200
didn't read all that shit you wrote but to answer the main question, they do. example, dian hanson has made a whole career about writing histories of men' s magazines etc
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These rags you pick up--and find there are missing pages. . . and then you make that queezy realization that they were stuck together.
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>>24725200
Reading old skin mags really is a portal to another world. All old mags are, but the base nature of porno makes them somehow more representative of their eras. Picrel is a comic I saw in an old Penthouse I read online. Also, I appreciate bush.
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>>24726696
I wish we could bring back magazines. Nobody really knows what they want. I certainly don't. So it's nice to get served up a whole bunch of random stuff.
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Rosina Revelle is my favourite pin-up girl

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what is your notetaking system?
how do you write down ideas and stay organized on the go?
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>>24726009
I think most people actually do think interesting thoughts, given the opportunity. They just don't ever give themselves one. Sitting down in a quiet room in front of some paper, forcing yourself to hold up a pen and stirring around in your subconscious will lead just about anyone to time skips and hand cramps, I feel. But follow a person for a day and you realize most people spend effectively no time alone. Those who do will occupy that entire time with distraction or "activity" that prevents them both from ever letting their mind run free for a bit and from sitting down and really reflecting on something. (Which might unfortunately be why I'm here right now, I realize.) Or at least this is what I choose to believe, but anecdotally it seems right
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>>24726209
nta but if you forgot them, they probably were not important.
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Anyone else writing their own writing app?
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>>24727353
>>>/g/ is this way, sir.
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>>24727389
Stemfags not being able to understand the needs of the writer is why I started in on writing my own writing app.

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Might as well make a thread about it. We had one when Carle died.
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>>24726786
I still remember when my teacher read paper bag princess to us in grade 1, that was in 2006. Damn. Sad to hear this.
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Love You Forever is the saddest shit.
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>>24726786
Not a big loss for literature. Canada didn't create anything of value.
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>>24726786
Man Canadians are cucks.
DFW didn't need permission.
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>>24727031
The Canadian government doesn't either..

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REMINDER TO EVERYONE BROWSING THIS BOARD
nobody on this dogshit board reads books
you see all those philosophers threads? they are made by twitter users, reddit users, and political streamers viewers
you see all those literature threads? nobody has read more than 1 page, they've just read the wikipedia summary
you see all those generals and frequent threads where people is asked to write whatever the op asks? the posters come from /r9k/, /adv/ and chatbots
you see all those religious rage bait threads? the posters come from /pol/
you see all those threads asking where to start with some autor? they'll never start reading.
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>>24727361
Frog poster. Think OP made that clear.
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>>24727369
true
>you see all those frog threads? Smuggishly amusing themselves about others while privately participating in much worse behaviour, with the frog post being a cope for the shame they feel
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>>24727362
I‘d like to add that Internet is the biggest crisis of western society, it’s the biggest factor in reduction of birthrates next to increasing wealth disparity. It’s the worst thing ever, worse than any drug. Literally sucks your blood for monetisation and profit. The best thing you can do right now is turning off your wifi. Teach yourself to only use it for school and work, learn to think of it as a workstation equipment and research device.
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>>24727376
So basically treat it like we should.
Okay.
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>>24727375
Rather smug of you consider you missed something so obvious. You should probably aim higher or just embrace frogs.

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The Indians obviously know what's up: God is both the force of creation AND destruction; none of this christian God is only good, infantilizing pussy shit.

Rilke was the cosmic cry baby par excellence, and he is good company when you need a reminder of why life is sublime and why death is the measure we must own up to... And why death is not the limit of man's link to the devine...

Ligotti is sick. Period. Good hard tonic. It you can stand him you're in good shape.

Carver is a great craftsman to learn from, esp for short story writers, whatever you think of his pov and ideas

Hanna had some fascinating things to point out

Reznikoff is a neglected master, read that shit and see how much you can stand in a day. Then see if you can do what he did but in our times

Karl Ove is entertaining and instructive. Way too white and Norwegian to be wise or helpful in a wise way, but lots to learn from his fully engaged hypnotic style
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t. moby dick
t. northons anthology of poetry

trying to learn new words
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>>24727344
Might want to start smaller and work your way up to words.
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>>24727348
no im good thanks
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>>24727364
So you are Moby Dick and also are Norton's Anthology of Poetry?
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>>24727372
yea

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I'm actually impressed by his prose, I'll give him that
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>>24722544
Well the only position then is become a third world maoist and im gonna have to pass on that, chief.
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>>24725048
Just make being antifascist illegal. Problem solved.
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>>24722193
>Tucker Carlson launches scathing attack on MFA programs
This is an attack on the MFA from the wrong direction. MFA ought not to exist. Instead promising young authors should be forced to work at the post-office year after alcoholic year until they become master authors without accidental meeting fuck set-ups in their novels. You just know he was critiquing himself. Accidental fuck.
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"Okay."

*goes back to reading*
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>>24722193
>Bulgakov (a working physician)
He's confused Bulgakov for Chekhov.

What are your thoughts on this book? Is it better than Dianetics by Ron L. Hubbard? I'm looking for something to change my life and get me out from addiction to bath salts
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>>24727302
Looks like some westoid read the work of igor smirnov and misunderstood it.
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>>24727302
>improve self image
>learn to use your positive past
>set and achieve worthwhile goals
>develop compassion, self respect and forgiveness
>cultivate the power of rational thinking
>discover the key to a happier, more successful life.
I would've mentioned the Bible but you wish to develop rational thinking so start with the Greeks.

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maekar I targaryen, first of his name edition

ASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page
Blog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/
Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/
So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/
Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/
SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdy
General search: http://searcherr.work/
TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chapters

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>>24725543
>So let's say Tywin gets the throne after Jaime kills Aerys.

Would never happen, the other nobility would oppose him as nobody likes or trusts him.
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>>24726954
> "Back in my day, authors only had to do one thing- write."
What did he mean by this?
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>>24725543
He'd get fucked over big time. Honestly would probably be the best possible timeline. No one likes Tywin, he had just murdered Ellia and her children and sacked Kingslanding. The Rebels and Dorne would probably put him down.
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>>24727294
The Rebels? Robert supported him in the actual timeline and didn't want to be king. Dorne couldn't do shit. And of it got bad enough, he could execute The Mountain and the others.
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I just thought about it and realized the bran ending actually makes perfect sense. He’s the only character that fully follows the tropes of a hero/messiah (early life brush with death from being pushed out the window etc), and if you had to choose a single POV to release as an optimistic YA novel it would be bran.

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>2025
>still no caesar
What's taking him so long?
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being an incel neet is too comfortable and I'm still 20
If you want a young Alexander he should have prophesied that.
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>>24727002
Churchill, FDR, Mussolini, etc will go down in history as barely significant footnotes, in the same way nobody remembers anyone but Marius and Sulla from their respective era. So maybe Stalin and Hitler will make the cut
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>>24723403
didn't he say 2100s?
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>>24727365
Honestly them and John Paul II might be the figures people remember most from the 20th Century, looked at centuries in the future.
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>>24727095
I think conceptualizing of a personified 'Caesar' in and on itself is stupid. Caesarism is a process that lasts centuries, in the Apollonians it lasts from Marius to Domitian, roughly.
It's not just one guy.
And imo, fixation on analogy, especially to the Greeks is a bad idea.

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>700 pages later
>Murder is... le bad??
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>>24726933
>How can hypocrisy exist when one can both genuinely be pro-Islam and pro-trans rights?
The Islamic Republic of Iran would like to have a word with you
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>>24726956
You missed my point entirely. When you can genuinely hold two beliefs, which are diametrically opposed to each other, without self-contradiction, you have no true beliefs. If you lack any proper belief system, you lack the fundamental capacity to act against your beliefs, aka be a hypocrite.
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>>24725853
>Half of America is celebrating the political assassination of an albeit poor debater
Anon was not trying to prove that murder is wrong. He was trying to prove that OP is wrong.
According to OP, everyone knows that murder is wrong. But, less than a week ago, half of america was celebrating murder. This already contradicts OP.
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>>24725499
you missed the point
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>>24726959
Islam and trans rights aren't diametrically opposed to each other


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