>>97396916
If they're already familiar with Vampire the Masquerade and the idea of wacky cults and cultures clashing against each other and waging war in the shadows of modern nights, then I think that they might be open to Ascension.

But if you really want to boil things down to a much simpler setting of "there are people who can hack reality using its source code and call themselves mages and the source code magic," then just go with Awakening instead. It's a typical CofD blank slate setting and you don't really need to know more than that about the setting to run a game with it.

>>97397125
My issue boils down more to a small frustration that they like to make characters that aren't quite newbs but also they're hesitant to be reading lore. Ordinarily, I don't mind explaining shit for Eberron or having an NPC explain some of the deeper lore for vampire (as well as it not being outside of the realm of belief that their sire would basically just tell them the basics and nothing else) but I feel something like that would get much more tiring for Mage than it would be for the rest. Perhaps I'll just put my foot down and start them off fresh off the magic schizophrenia rather than more established characters, something to think about.

>>97397225
If you mean "aren't quite newbs" as in they like to play more powerful characters, power doesn't equate to knowledge of the setting in either game. They can absolutely play Tradition mages who aren't all that aware of the setting at large but have a strong grip of their paradigms.

But if they like to play characters who are already familiar with the setting without putting in the OOC legwork, then I'd advise avoiding Ascension because you'd need to constantly stop the game to explain to them what their characters should know about all of these different things. This is less of a problem with Awakening, since there's no deep lore that more experienced characters would know about, other than the existence of the Exarchs and their minions who want to keep mages from ascending and getting access to the really good magic, which they hoard for themselves.

>>97397299
No, I mean they prefer to play characters that are slightly more established inside the game world like vampires who've been around for like 20 years or in the more topical example a mage that isn't quite fresh off of their awakening. That second part is pretty much my issue, same reason I didn't let them pick werewolf for the game to run despite being another one I like as well as going through the terminology making me feel somewhat cringy but I suppose it is based to be cringe .

In my opinion, a vampire being clueless for 20 years because of an irresponsible sire is relatively not absurd, but a group of Woofbros or Mages who've been around the block in their group for at least a couple of years should know more than the absolute basic of using their powers and that they have to worry about shit like rage or paradox. It somewhat works out since Vampire is a relatively useful starting point other than a variant of Hunter, though certainly not my favorite. It's fun enough, granted.

>>97397363
>a group of Woofbros or Mages who've been around the block in their group for at least a couple of years should know more than the absolute basic of using their powers and that they have to worry about shit like rage or paradox.
Werewolves, yes. Mages, no. In my opinion, you could absolutely play a Traditions mage who has never had to deal with the Technocracy, Marauders or Nephandi until recently. You could even factor that into the setting for the chronicle, base it in a city where the Traditions have mostly been allowed to flourish without any hassle until recently. I'd go with a location with a historic, lost-in-time sort of vibe. Santa Fe, Charleston, St. Augustine, towns like that.

>>97397098
huge difference between melee combat and CQB, my guy, you're conflating the two as though they're identical. The number of live combat kills done with knives, rifles-as-blunt-instruments, and bare hands are under a hundred even if you were to combine every war in Iraq and Afghanistan in the last century. Add in Ukraine for good measure, still countable on both hands.

>>97391985
Making $4.4 billion doesn't matter if corporate shareholders expected $20 billion. The "modern audience" doesn't exist and isn't worth alienating the entrenched fan base over. Corporate executives for public companies built on niche dork interests just can't help chasing women's money and think dorks will abide by sunk-cost fallacy. They think the next round of pandering will knockdown the wall to pink tax profiteering when all it has ever done is lead to price gouging to cover up losing long-time hobbyists that prefer continuity to astroturf direction.

>>97394752
Why does the military still train hand to hand combat then retard?

>>97391985
>The disney sequels alone made an estimated 4.4 billion world wide
And they paid 4.05 billion to George for the rights, the movies themselves cost well over a billion to make (plus marketing), etc.

>>97397365
Not to mention all the moneysinks like ACKolyte.

>>97397199
Thanks I hate it.

>>97397199
Thanks I love it.

>>97397199
Staple group hug.

>>97395617
>DATA WILL RAPE THIS [game]
Yes; welcome to the Internet.

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>>97397376
Mr. Data? WURBG Legendary Creature - Android? He's not even in the game yet!
https://youtu.be/ayd6Yn5ZeCw

How do FoWbros win with Helen Fire/Water Ruler?

>>97394874
I did well with my Rezzard stealth deck ag locals. Cheating out Merlin and Underground Dragger really put you ahead on value... back in 2016.

>>97394416
What's DM other than Duel Masters?

>>97396848
It is Duel Masters

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The last FaB gem reprint in Compendium of Rathe was revealed

I'm excited to do psychological damage to my fellow tranny players when I pitch this gem with huge naturals

>>97163858
>Jules Verne-inspired retro-futurist, underground blood soaked soulslike roguelite kafkaesque milsim immersive plug and play comfy sandbox adventurescape
You really make it sound very unappealing and low effort.

>>97391872
>there are now old players who have to be caught up with rules changes. Actual factual Agarthan Grogs, of a sort.
That would be me. Haven't played in a year or more, and been on and off in the threads. Too many story ideas, not enough actual writing. Would be up for a game sometime soon though.

>>97391872
>>97393626
Gorg Grogs.

>>97380844
>marsupials having to deal with rats
>marsupials having to deal with feral cats
>marsupials having to deal with feral dogs
>marsupials having to deal with foxes
>now they have to deal with dinosaurs and other agarthan fauna the brits release on the island
Oh boy, Australia is going to have a massive extinction event, aren't they?

>>97392319
>You really make it sound very unappealing and low effort.
I'm not the one who wrote it, but giving it a look over it does seem a touch adjective-heavy.
What would people think about something like:
>Expedition: Agartha Descent is a fantastical skirmish wargame inspired by Scientific Romances and Pulp literature. Set in the 1880s, it takes place in a bizarre underground world featuring everything from lost Atlantis to the resurrected shade of Emperor Napoleon himself. Explore the underground, build your resources, and fight your opponent on a hex-based map for victory and profit!

>>97393888
Theater also attracts narcissists. Outside of Shakespearean or period acting which attracts nerds and autists most mainstream theater is full of narcissistic retards that are all about their own success. A lot of the "professional rioters" we see in the US are also theater kids.

>>97379627
A lot of west coast nerds are into the bdsm/poly scene because they don't get sex otherwise so I'm not surprised. A lot of nerds are also gay so all the gay sex culture is coming into mainstream rpg stuff now too. The whole consent shit is for hypergamic homosexuals and women who emulate homosexual male culture as a form of empowerment/equality.

>>97394269
>A lot of west coast nerds are into the bdsm/poly scene because they don't get sex otherwise
This is the saddest fucking thing honestly, seeing these Bay Area nerds justify to themselves how polyamory is ackchually rational or whatever so they can get sloppy thirds from the gawkiest looking dork bitches imaginable.

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>>97363372
Always had it at the table but used it basically once, when we forgot we had "rape" as a line and one player invoked it during a "we're possibly going into rape territory" scene.
But we always to lines and veils beforehand and keep the list updated if something comes up during play.

>>97363372
Stop posting this every week. It is fucking boring.

>>97396465
You'll need to be more specific about what the "bones" for a BEWD deck looks like, since there have been multiple variants over the years and it ultimately decides whether or not you should just do what the above poster said. Is it a Fusion-focused build? Synchro? Ritual OTK? Rank 8 spam? It's hard to really make a call when we've got nothing to work with.

>>97397024
I've played them lots of different ways, but I don't have any new cards from the last five years or so. It seems to me like Chaos Max is still a good contender, so I would probably think to lean into that.

>>97396465
They printed new support that replaces 90% of cards bewd used to play, good luck

>>97396480
>One of my pet archetypes is outdated
I know how you feel, Anon. The only consolation I have right now is that Skull Servants are sometimes still actually playable.

>>97396480
>They aren't going to be viable ever again, are they?
Likely.
>What could they possibly even give my favorite little dudes that would make them work in today's field?
None of their effects are OPT and they benefit from swarming. An easy solution would be to give them any type of modern support that can capitalize on those two facts. The problem is that there is no concrete mechanic that you'll be building towards with them since the battle position related shenanigans pretty much end with Batteryman AA, and the rest of them generally lack a cohesive gameplan among them.

Give them a spell that swarms the field with their monsters (by means of Normal Summon since most of their cards want that), and Link Monsters with downward-pointing arrows. Link Monsters might sound like a lazy choice, but it works very specifically for batterymen since you can make that shit diegetic in that the columns it points to are like the terminals you put the batteries into (ignoring the fact that different ones can go in there).

You'd also need a boss of course. A Voltech Dragon Xyz retrain that can use one of the link monsters as its full material would suffice to that end, and maybe force it to suck up any monsters it points to (again, downward arrows) so it's not too free.

>>97393247
Yes.
This isn't fucking /v/.

>>97393247
I'd rather have a dead relative in the house than a fishfag at my doorstep.

>>97393950
Just had my first game of my new campaign. We used those rules and we all had a huge blast!

>>97395892
Excellent! Do tell us more if you feel like it.

>>97391000
>>97391227
Because it makes more logical sense and allows actual spell interruption by melee. Melee after Magic NEVER made sense.

>sexy lady
pic not related I suppose?

>>97397414
Niggas can't read.

>>97386602
>scientific accomplishments
>>You have met them, yes, this Emperor’s deadly new toys? His mutilated half-men and his soulless women, his gilded homunculi and blinded warp-speakers? Do you think them human then? Are they any less monstrous for a shape familiar to the eye? I think not. All this devilry of gene-craft and forbidden alchemy, do you think it somehow clean simply because it is worked by your self-effacing godhead-in-denial? And what ancient broken vault or bloody laboratory-prison did he - most monstrous of all - spring from? Or do you yet believe his whispered lies of immortality and pre-genesis? You would condemn me for my sins of reason and invention, but it is my eyes which see clearly you wish to blind. I damn you; I damn you all to the future hell which you already run to embrace like a lover.

>>97397103
>missing the point
you were wrong, take the L and be fucking ashamed of yourself for pushing lies about history
>Mentioning the Senate doesn't make you smarter or more right, because they're irrelevant to the entire argument.
Retarded historylet wants to seriously argue that the greatest reason for Augustus's success, which is that he pretended not to be a dictator, is irrelevant. Stupid nigger should be thrown out of any academic institutions you're involved with and any false certificates of learning revoked.

>>97397111
Wow, that's terrible writing. Dan Abnett should have stuck to comics.

>>97397252
Abnett was telling you that the Emperor's a fraud and a monster since Horus Rising, you just didn't want to see it. The foreign God-Emperor that Horus kills is literally no different from the Emperor of Mankind, he just didn't get to the 'conquering the stars' phase of his master plan to reunite humanity first. Both were convinced they were right and everyone else is wrong, both are hopelessly deluded
>The difference is, I know I'm right

>>97397276
Nigger I don't give a fuck about your horus heresy lore I just think the writing excerpt you posted sucks ass.

>>97397245
>>97397339
Do a test run on a piece of sprue or something. When I was testing out black templar over silver 2 coats pretty much killed all the shine and I could barely tell there was a metallic paint underneath. So yeah doing either one coat or two thinned ones sounds safer.

>>97397339
could you dry brush after the burgundy?

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>>97397294

>>97397393
kek

>>97397393
Ok now that's fun.

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>>97396532
>wincon is a race to 30 VP

>>97396302
yeah - pretty fun co-op. i like the spatial element a lot. requires a lot of coordination with the playing cards on other people's turns. difficulty is well tuned, easy to teach, some really cool monsters as you progress through the book. quick playing, nice production, and reasonable sized box. good purchase imo

FUCKWROTH

>>97397040
Thanks anon, appreciate your input!

>>97395186
>>97395379
I think it's 95% the same as Steam and Railroad Tycoon and any other wallace train game I'm not thinking of. Unless you have your heart set on something specific may as well just get what's cheap.
>>97396700
I like the weird stripped down ones like northern Pacific and dutch Intercity. I don't have tons of plays of all the different player counts but I can't think of anything that would be bad at 3-4p. Shikoku is cool, I know people consider it a good starting 18xx and it doesn't have anything real crazy in it, the map is a bit tighter than 1830 also

>>97392775
t. literally hasn't read the Basic Set
(1) Success roll--use 3d, aiming to roll at or under a target number
(2) Reaction roll--use 3d, aiming for a high result
(3) Damage roll--use Nd, aiming for a high result

>>97394932
I guess those last two count, but I wouldn't put them on the same level as the success role.

>>97394849
I like this rule because it would also lead to the existence of advantages like weapon master and trained by a master but for things that aren't weapons.
>Archmage
Tho thinking about it I probably would extend Trained by a Master to also work for physical feats, so if you want to do a triple climb at -18 trained by a master would make this -9

>>97392775
It's as complex as you want it to be, all rules are optional.

Is there a gurps index that lists where every single advantage, skill, and gear is located and in what book?

>>97397166
>irrationally seethe?
>slivers
If the deck is reasonably well made it's not irrational at all. Slivers are like a check for board wipes, if nobody draws 1-2 wipes within the first 5 or 6 turns, Slivers just entirely takes over the game.

>>97397166
My regular pod think my pillowfort deck is "bullshit" and "stops them from playing the game" because it has things like forcefield, ensnaring bridge, and crawlspace in it.

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>>97397166
Not seethe exactly but people always disproportionately react to pic related.
As soon as it gets to 5 life drain per turn they act like they're all dead next turn and target me. Fucking infuriating.

I wish there was a Commander version of Arena so I could have drop-in games with strangers instead of needing to try to get all my friends together before I can even test a new deck

>>97397359
Spelltable

>>97397013
I mean I'm not against it. It'd mean that armies traveling down and leaving/entering have to deal with mountains of shit and piss. Lower levels would stink because smells rise but if you're high enough it doesn't really matter. Giant dung beetles, worms, poop mushrooms, lots of options.

The trees bring up water but sometimes you get a sick tree where the waste that falls down leaks into the water supply, forcing people to go down and "fix it" somehow. Druids who heal trees too. Druid plumbers sound cool to me.

Aesthetically it seems so weird to be walking on the grounds of the Haltan forest city and having to worry about shit and piss raining down on you but I don't know.

>>97396721
>How do they bring stuff from the ground to the city above.
They answer this actually, pulley elevators operated by trained baboons
And they looted the hell out of the First Age cities, they have like twelve magic automatic elevators that work by themselves

>>97397050
>Aesthetically it seems so weird to be walking on the grounds of the Haltan forest city and having to worry about shit and piss raining down on you but I don't know
Now you understand why a third of the raksha really hates them.

>These tree-farmers have also domesticated wild ver-sions of the exotic vines that First Age Celestial sorcerers created long ago as a way to provide many Eastern settlements with water. Several thick leafy vines as big around as a human thigh enwrap all the redwoods that support the Haltan dwelling platforms. These vines reach high up into the forest canopy, where they spread large fronds that catch rainwater. In addition, their deep roots draw water up from the ground. The Haltans place metal and wooden taps in these vines and draw off large amounts of potable water. This faintly green, fresh-smelling water is the primary reason that many Haltans ettlements can exist far from rivers and streams. These water vines only grow in the Haltan forest, despite many attempts by outsiders to grow them elsewhere.
Also neat, hopefully I didn't fuck up formatting this time

Oh they also say
>The capital of Halta boasts a population of almost
two million
Make up your damn minds 1E writers, there's a big difference between over 1 million and almost 2 million