/trv/ is a slow board, so don't expect immediate responses. CHECK THE CATALOG – you might find threads already discussing topics you're interested in.Before asking for suggestions, tell /trv/ about your:>Budget>Interests>Level of understanding of the local language(s)This makes it easier to give quality advice. Of course, keep your posts travel related.For all other matters:General culture questions >>>/int/Politics discussion >>>/pol/Transportation discussion >>>/n/Outdoors-related discussion >>>/out/Note: Discussions of prostitution or sex tourism are not permitted on /trv/.
I've read all the stories and seen all the vids about this place but I just didn't listen. I thought I'd be prepared since I've been to other notoriously shitty countries to travel like Egypt and Morocco but this place is just next level in terms of the dirt, the garbage, the pollution, the poverty, the incessant and aggressive touts and attempts at begging and scamming, the sensory overload, the unbelievably dense crowds of cars and people, and of course the honking...Jesus Christ the honking is not a meme at all. My plan was to spend a month travelling through India/Nepal starting out in Kathmandu (which is basically India in terms of insanity imho) and I'm supposed to be 12 more days here but I think I might just cut my losses and leave a little earlier. I'm currently sitting in my hotel room in Jaipur and don't plan to do anything today besides getting food because I'm trying to recover from a shitty ass cold I picked up probably due to this countries abysmal public health standards (or lack thereof).Granted it hasn't been all bad by any means. I still wouldn't say its my least favorite country I've been to but I just don't know how much more of this place I can take.
>>2847055>text me immediately unashamedly asking 3 or 4x ubers priceYeah they do that in places with hardly any Ubers, like in Pushkar. But if you're in a big city it's normal
>>2847048Just man up. That's all it takes. Laugh at the little scammers desperately trying to squeeze an extra 10 cents out of you. Know that it's all a rounding error to you, ignore them, and move on to the next big thing.
>>2847055Ran into this same shit in Cairo. So tiresome.
>>2847056>>2846981Actually hotels not looking like the listing, fake reviews so it looks legit. Dirty. Happened in both the hotels I stayed in so I just stayed in zostels after thatUber I got scammed twice - first time the guy said I had to pay in cash and wouldn't let me get out until I paid. I said usually you pay on the app but he said it works differently here. This was on the way from the airport so I didn't have a sim yet and couldn't google. The other the guy drove under a bridge and stopped, and started try to extort money from me, he was like half my height so I didn't feel physically threatened. I reported both these guys on uber and they got banned lol. Guessing they just make a new account
>>2847060You ignore them, they follow you for a few mins then fuck off. Then another comes straight after. All greasy skinny fat men that look like shitNaughty little chocolate men wears you down after a few days.
Muslims beheaded Canadian mining company consultants in Mindanao who were helping torture and kill indigenous Lumads.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ridsdel>At the time of the kidnapping, he was retired. Prior to that he had been working for the mining company TVI Resource Development Philippines Inc.,[3] a subsidiary of Canada's TVI Pacific, where he was also a consultant.>Ridsdel was kidnapped by Abu Sayyaf militants in the Philippines on 21 September 2015, in a raid on Holiday Ocean View Samal Resort, on Samal Island in the southern Philippines.[4] After the gunmen disarmed the resort's security guards, they abducted four people from the resort, the Canadians John Ridsdel and Robert Hall, the resort's Norwegian marina manager Kjartan Sekkingstad, and a Filipino woman, Teresita Flor.[5]>The kidnappers later issued demands for a hefty ransom to be paid for the release of the hostages, reportedly 300 million pesos (around $6.5 million) for each of the three foreigners seized. As the deadline lapsed on 25 April 2016, they apparently beheaded Ridsdel.[6] Ridsdel's head was found in a plastic bag in Jolo.[7] A headless body, possibly Ridsdel's, was later found by villagers by a creek bed near Talipao. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police launched an international murder investigation.[8]The company he worked for was involved in torturing and killing indigenous Lumad people (Lumads are not Muslim btw)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TVI_Pacific>In 2015 TVI was mentioned along with several other mining companies as being the likely beneficiary of a series of government-funded murders of the indigenous Lumads who live in the Mindanao region of the Philippines, an area rich in mineral resources to which these companies would like better access.[3]Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
* MORE COMMENTS FROM PREVIOUS THREADS>It goes without saying that 'going native' gets you better results with more 'native' behaving girls, and than trying to stay firmly in the rootless metropolitan travelersphere. There are some city hotties out there to be sure, but they are also sure to be run through and will be comparing you to the 6' 4" australian millionaire surfer chad with a 9" cock who gave her a series of deep pussy orgasms when she was fresh off the bus, that she still hasn't forgotten.Folks, this is an example of a travel who doesn't get it. Idk how these people are INSIDE the fucking Philippines and exist. I have a friend who's been going there since 1998 and think this retarded idea that "women like BIG COCKS!!! HAHAHA BIG COCKS DUUUDE!!" is true. No it's fucking not. That's not even true in the west, it's just a self fulfilling prophecy line that gets repeated. NO FILIPINA EVER SAID THEY LIKE LARGE PENISES UNLESS SOME DUMBASS AMERICAN OR BRIT CONDITIONED THEM INTO REPEATING IT. I have a slightly above average size penis and I've only ever gotten complaints that it's too big. Shut. The. Fuck. Up.The 6'4" shit is another number he's pulling out of his internet folk wisdom ass. (Losers should stay away from the Philippines anyway though - there are too many foreigners there).>You have to be in a place where being 'white' is still exotic enough to be noteworthy as a good quality, and not as solely a target for wealth extraction.Thoughts like this are coping death throws about the Philippines having died. Don't be fooled folks! The Philippines is not a place to find a wife, start a family or even enjoy casual sex anymore. Invest in a VR headset later this year in 2025 & see how far VR sex has come along; this is going to be the year.
* MORE COMMENTS FROM PREVIOUS THREADS>unless their trike driver boyfriend takes them out drinking at filipino-only club.This reminds me, Philippines is the cuckold capital of the world. The Filipinos act like they're pulling one over on foreigners because "hahahah she has a husband or bf!" They really are about the cuckery, and it further proves that these people are not devout Catholics nor God-fearing but Godforsaken. > but you're a fucking complete dork in America and the PhilippinesWhoever these people are, they must have crept in some time in the past decade. I have never seen anyone in the Philippines complaining about "not getting some laid", but I have seen people making up stories about other guys "not getting the laid" and making themselves feel better by repeating it to each other.>You can ACCIDENTALLY have sex here in the Philippines. I've had women knock on my door looking for their auntie and they had the wrong apartment, and I just smile and invite them in for some C2, and fuck them after some small talk, then send them on their way 30 minutes laterOooooooh you're one of those retarded faggots who thinks anyone complaining about anything in the Philippines "can't get laid".... I ran into this when I was there. I am fucking Chad extraordinare in Philippines. I am the youngest guy there, fit, handsome face (according to the girls), never lead with my wallet, blue eyes, blonde hair, bright white skin and these old geezers were circle jerking each other that I "could get the laid". I outpaced ALL OF THEM COMBINED IN EVERY METRIC AND THEY STILL TOUCHED EACH OTHERS PENISES TOGETHER WHEN REPEATING THAT LINE AND IT WAS NEVER THE CASE - EVER. You're exercising some sort of coping mechanism. Just stop talking because no one needs to hear what you say, especially your "journey" "helping" people. Just get out of the way.
>>2841760* SPREADING AWARENESS OF WHAT I'VE WRITTEN HEREI'm not a big social media user (never used it, in fact), so my reach is limited. However, Filipinos use facebook and tiktok a lot because it's unethically subsidized and they can use it even without cell service over there, so if any of you would be so kind as to spread my message here on other platforms we can warn everyone about the dangers that await them in the Philippines. *** HAVE A PREPARED DEFENSE AGAINST THE FALLACIOUS EXPAT IN THE PHILIPPINES WHEN THE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN HAPPENSThere will be fools who will attempt to bait and rope you into their fallacious thought processes when the economic downturn happens in the Philippines. Once the money pool dries up, you will see these idiots reporting that times are great because the girls are desperate and the prices are down. Obviously if people rush in there, that is going to change the economy, and the more this pattern repeats, the more the entitled Filipinos harden their stance on entitlement.
>>2841745>reneging on agreements made in the bar, sometimes with the manager, sometimes withoutlmao>get scammed by a hooker>Let me speak to your manager!really bro
>>2841760>blue eyes, blonde hair, bright white skin and these old geezers were circle jerking each other that I "could get the laid".this is becoming incoherent/unintelligible
Wtf happens here?! >huge country>absolutely beautiful>same part of world as Thailand and Vietnam kino>ancient history >probably cheap as fuckIs it an Islamic hellhole, or an untapped resource? There must be some amazing experiences lurking in the 10million islands*apart from Bali
>>2845744>>2845745Jesus, i'm such adumb cunt. Didn't realise what thread I'm in, fucking hell.
>>2834644>Wtf happens here?!monkey torture
>>2834644I did travel to Indonesia this summer. Did a conference in Bali. We stayed at this hotel that owns sizeable portion of private beach. Very nice place, good food. Being a work conference I was forced to socialize with other westerners, so it felt more like an all inclusive resort.Traveled east to Flores after the conference. Labuan Bajo airport is >90% westerners. All the tiktok zoomers are doing boat trips to Komodo Island, Padar, etc. because apparently it became popular during covid. I was planning to travel east instead, to the inland areas that are less touristy. I had always planned to biketrip, so flew in with my road bike and biked to a town called Ruteng in the middle of the mountain in Flores. Flores is really pretty, 90% Christians, churches everywhere. The villages around are nice. But IMO Ruteng is still too big for my taste, but Indonesians called it small city. Being in the mountains it was not as oppressively humid as other places in Indonesia. Physically I got crushed by the mountains, the hills are unforgiving. I learned that they did have an actual bike race called Tour De Flores and it's all steep grade climbs throughout the island. The locals are very friendly and even random villagers surprisingly spoke decent (at least comprehensible) english. I showed my electric bike pump to the local kids and it blew their mind. I hiked to the top of this mountain, themed with Stations of the Cross for Good Friday. Pretty neat hike, although it was misty at the top so the view wasn't that nice. The locals said it will take a whole day but I did it in 2 hours. Overall had a great experience. I checked on my less outdoorsy work conference friends, they went to Jakarta for partying and mongering and seemed like they had a good time as well; although they said that they got really bored because there was nothing to do in Jakarta before sunset, then the food, cafes, and mongering were good. 9/10 would highly recommend Flores.
>>2845948Any hunger for independence in Flores? Seems like it doesn't match the rest of Indonesia, and would be better off more aligned with Australia or something.
>>2845957Idk - I didn't have the chance to talk with locals beyond basic nicities and I don't know a lot about Indonesian politics. But I think they have more in common with Indonesia than Australia, in term of food, spices, etc, e.g., they still eat white rice. But because they're Christians they eat pork as well. They are more of a remnant of colonial Dutch Catholics than anything and Australians are not Dutch Catholics. One thing I noticed though is that they had massive gasoline shortage throughout the island. Like a village will have only one paved road through it and there will be a traffic jam around gas station, apparently they have buying quotas. People who live nearby buy the gasoline and scalp it, they sell them in 2L water jugs at elevated prices. Like many provincial areas, they seem to be ignored and really behind the times. That can't be that nice.
Is China as good as all the vloggers make it out to be? It seems in the past 3 years there's been an influx in people shilling for China and it has be interested.
>>2847086Which cities did you go to?
>>2846971>It seems in the past 3 years there's been an influx in people shilling for China and it has be interested.Because china opened up "visa free" entry over the 72hr transit visa they had previously. Euros can go for like 30 days, Americans for 10, and so on. China's government has also drastically put funding into influencers to promote tourism as a new bigger market.Unironically just go to HK or Taiwan for taste in China-lite mode; if you can't get engaged in those places you won't be engaged in China>inb4 random rural China top of mountain picture of somethingHK and Taiwan are good first starters because if you can't deal with the local vibes there, you won't do well in mainland. If you're not an influencer you're not going to get any special treatment.
Reminder that China still bans virtually every western website where these people post their videos which means they are breaking the law and China is allowing it or they've fled the country before posting. Let that sink in for a moment.
>>2847102>they are breaking the law and China is allowing itChina doesn't give a fuck about western vloggers uploading shit to jewtube, lol.The firewall is not for westerners. They don't give a shit about your vpn.
>>2847111There are plenty of Chinese influencers that also get around the firewall and are allowed to because they actively shill the country
I'm going with some friends to Florianópolis this january.I did not chose the destination, so far I'm only exited to visit the Ilha do Campeche and some old colonial military forts like the Ratones
>>2845058Apparently it's a giant night club in Camboriú
So since OP is gay I wanna ask how easy it is to get laid here and how cheap is Brazil compared to places like Mexico?Im a white manlet, speak limited Spanish and I want to go to Brazil for carnival possibly. Always heard good things about Floripa but I want to go somewhere crazy for the festival
>>2846533>how cheap is Brazil compared to places like Mexico?I didn't find Mexico that cheap for what you get? But I was just in Puerto Vallarta and Mexico City. I'd say Brazil is similar prices by higher quality>Always heard good things about Floripa but I want to go somewhere crazy for the festivalYou need to go to Rio for the crazy shit, Floripa is much more chill>limited SpanishAll that will help you with is the numbers since they speak Portuguese here
I wanna go to Florianopolis but cant be assed to learn portuguese and the the though of rich snarky argentinians annoys me. they are the worst. plus you gotta pay $80 in a tedious process to get a tourist visa there if youre from America/AUS/NZ
>>2846533I have been living here for the last few months and it's totally unlike the rest of Brazil (outside of the south) in many ways. One of those ways is, unfortunately, the girls here aren't easy. I got laid easily in Rio and other cities, but not here. Several Brazilian guys have told me that this is the hardest place in the country to get girls in your bed. But the island attracts the most beautiful girls in Brazil, or at least from the south (whiter, blonder chicks)I'm leaving soon because prices here shoot way up in summer and I don't wanna deal with the crowds. But also, if I'm gonna be living in Brazil I don't want to have to jump through hoops to get laid - can do enough of that back home
RIP Six Flags America Edition>Last Thread: >>2835600>What is this thread? Why are there two generals?/rcg/ was initially created as a way for the roller coaster enthusiasts on here to discuss all things roller coasters and theme parks. While roller coasters are the main focus of these threads (and the title of the general) there is also discussion on other theme parks, their rides, as well as the parks themselves and trip planning too. That's where /tpg/ comes in.>Can I talk about Disney/Universal parks in this thread?Absolutely! Disney/Universal discussion of all sorts including rides/resorts/dining/trip planning is OK.Park Crowd Tracker:>https://queue-times.com/en-US/parksRoller Coaster Database:>https://rcdb.com/Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>2844519https://youtu.be/xZ5Lzk7XkkE?si=QdnjDC0Xcc3fCtdR
>>2846919I think they like the lines to be long to prove their popular. They aren't as good as Disney. Hispanics.
>>2847087bot
>>2847090>to prove their populareslyou are brown
>>2846787Epcots original line up was so ahead of its fucking time. Kinda sucks that the past looks more like the future than the future we actually inherited. Screens were a mistake. The requirement that every prop and effect had to function in real three-dimensional space pushed engineers to create some genuinely impressive technology that stands up even now. That fusion of inventive problem-solving and ride design was always one of the most exciting things about theme parks. It was fake, but because it was happening and you were there to physically witness it, it didn't feel fake. You were really there and it was really happening and you were really part of it. Nothing was left to the imagination or required a suspension of disbelief.
Been all over the world and still somehow never done SEA. My plan is to start in Thailand and work my way through Laos and Cambodia and then do Vietnam north to south. Then if I have time/money left maybe fly to either Philippines, Taiwan, or Malaysia etc. But what do you experts recommend? Is laos worth it? How much time in each country? Which cities/towns/regions are must gos? I'm going to stay in hostels and mostly play things by ear. I think I'd have probably 5-6 months max since I got some shit I gotta do when I'm done. I'd probably leave in Feb
>>2847100Honestly All I have planned is I'd fly into Bankok and I want to spend some time in the Northern forests around Chiang Mai and see Pattaya just because it's so infamous. I'm not a huge party/cub guy but I'm not opposed to it if it's a social thing to do with people I meet at hostels.Then I want to maybe cut through Cambodia into Vietnam, work my way up then cut through Laos and then decide what to do from there if I fly to another country. I love history even if it's boring/mundane stuff I love learning shit i'd never know unless I travelled there. I want to spend some time in monasteries even if it's for western people like me I just think it'll be a nice change of pace for a few weeks. Any outdoor stuff is a huge plus but I'm mostly looking for that big bustling vibrant city feel and getting lost walking around with nothing to do. I'd also like to volunteer if there are any places you know that accept foreigners on short term basis. I don't even care what it is I just found that volunteering at places is a good way to learn about the country and meet people.
>>2847101I'm also interested in maybe doing some stuff in South China. But I know that'll be a VIsa hassle and I'd have to try and get my visa in one of the embassies in SEA.
>>2847105Hainan is visa free, and you can game the 10 day Chinese 'transit visa'. Mention in another thread I did:>Chengdu (entered China)>Xian>Chonqing>Flight to HK (to satisfy exit of transit visa)>Flight to Hainan (30 days visa free)Singapore - Hainan was cheap when I last looked, which means you could hook up to Indonesia and Malaysia easily.
>>2847101>volunteer Can always try these:https://www.workaway.info/Never tried it myself, and it costs like €40 to join. Some other anons have said it's legit.
>>2847108Oh nice this is good to know. I'd love to do Hainan. I'll think about flying further afield in China for the transit visa if I have the funds.
My sister lives on Umnak. What else is there to do here besides hike. DESU I'm afraid of bears and natives:https://youtu.be/L3BiQuZfUQY?si=xUv2R4ZWRTLxvEIECan I island hop to Dutch Harbor easily? IDK if I want to spend a month on Umnak. She said she'd be willing to go to Unalaska with me but she doesn't want to go to Dutch Harbor becasue she hates the fishermen there.
Alaska is hilarious because it moggs Siberia and Yukon in standard of living. Chukotka or Kurils COULD look like your pic kek
If you're not super into nature idk why you'd want to visit some barren tundra.
>>2845433Is Yukon actually poor? I've no idea what happens there.
>>2845433It really is sad that Russia does not care about its own land. They just do not take care of it.>>2845444Canada is too busy importing indians and taxing to death their citizens to care about their backwoods part
>what is there to do in Aleutian islandsDie.
I am going to travel next year in September to Chile, and mainly looking to explore the Atacama Desert.Any multiday tour recommendations or things to know in general about Chile?Do the astronomical observatories located there offer tours?
The Argentinian side is nicer
if you don't speak spanish don't go to the north cause there's a good chance they are going kidnap you for a ransomcrime is going like crazy there
There's a city just west of Asunscion Paraguy with 80% european population called San Bernadino. SE of Paraguay inbetween South Brazil there are several german enclaves in Argentina, not to mention the dozens of german/european cities in southern brazil
Are they worth it? The nudism scene seems to be going down and most resots are not really maintaining the resorts in the first place.
>>2846530Genuinely wtf would be the point? It's not like you get to fuck them. Also sexy outfits are hotter than full nudity anyway.Also hope you enjoy seeing way more fat boomers than actual hotties
>>2846535>Also hope you enjoy seeing way more fat boomers than actual hottieshe doesn't know
>>2846535The point is sunning your balls
>>2846633You can sun your balls at the river
I went to a nudist resort in the Poconos it was alright. Good mix of people. It was not considered shameful to get hard, it was natural. So I felt at ease.
Songkran tart edition
>>2846783Don't worry. Their empty heads are thinking of the last lakorn they watched.
>>2846796Honestly based. I feel this way too. I want to feel the way black men do when they fuck whites. Hope the chicks you bang are really brown. Only problem is that most ethnicities outside whites really don't give two shits about interracial, it's not as scandalous or spicy, especially in SEA where marrying white foreigners is so normalized. China is probably the only place left where getting bleached is really as spicy as getting blacked is.
Whats it like during Xmas and NYE? Will I be okay chilling in Udon Thani or some small towns?
>>2846796>>2846802Surprisingly, a lot of girls like this kind of talk. I whispered the same thing in the ear of a petite 20 year old Filipina and she squirted all over me. The later she was like “I don’t really want a baby that was just sex talk lol” Still kept fucking me raw and taking cremapies tho. Not the brightest girls in SEA.
>>2846780Pattaya has nice beaches, they’re just on Koh Larn. You have to take a 30 minute boat ride to see them.
Anyone been on an African safari? What was your experience? I'm thinking a 2 week trip to Africa with a 6 day Safari in Tanzania. What should I do with the rest of the time? How do I avoid dying from Malaria?
>>2846879>Anyone been on an African safari? short one, yeah. side trip while i was working in zambia>What was your experience? yeah it was cool. saw some animals. saw some rhinos guarded by a platoon of soldiers who weren't particularly pleased to see us. the park where we were didn't have any of the top predators like lions etc. it was still pretty cool as it was basically a cheap trip for me but make sure where you are planning to go has the animals that you want to see>I'm thinking a 2 week trip to Africa with a 6 day Safari in Tanzania. ok cool>What should I do with the rest of the time? depending on where you are there are usually other activities. river trips, helicopter trips etc and nearby towns to have a look at. or you can just hang out at your hotel/lodge and pretend you are a colonist from the scramble for africa and drink til you stink>How do I avoid dying from Malaria?simply hang a sign round your neck that says "please do not bite".
>>2846933>simply hang a sign round your neck that says "please do not bite".This is just dumb. Everyone knows African mosquitoes can't read
>be Digital Nomad>shoot the shit with some others at the bar about it>DUDE YOU SHOULD GET A COWORK PASS>180/mo for Regus with 10/day shared desk(280 for unlimited) or 280 for WeWork>WeWork places drying up leaving Regus the only real player> sub 300 plans only allow you to work at a shared desk or cubical at most>private office is ~500/mo for global access on most sites>could throw down 180/mo to just get a better airbnb or hotel to work inCan someone explain to me this meme? I've seen people talk about coworking here before and the math isn't mathing. How the fuck does this save money or improve anything? Are these people recommending these places staying in the 2x4 futon bedding places to try and cheese on 'savings'? Am I doing something wrong by looking at Regus? For context I am going to be moving around HK, Taiwan, and PH next year for about 6 months and understand the living situations in those places are smaller. If I just add the cost per month to my airbnb I come out ahead or break even 9 out of 10 times...
>>2847073holy fuck I'm doing a terrible job reading posts in their entirety. You wrote it, but my mind process the last part. Maybe I was distracted? Maybe I am in cognitive decline from low self esteem? Idk I had trouble doing arithmetic correctly the first try today. I wouldn't say I'm tired, but I'm not focusing on anything. I apologize for my low effort responses. Sorry anon
>>2847047I don't even have a dog in this race but it says it right there, even if you did the highest tier they have it's still under 20/mo for a private office with simple napkin math.
>>2847088>under 20/mo* for a private office with simple napkin math.*10 times maxDoesn't seem like a good deal imo. I don't know what you're looking to get from it though
>>2847093There is an unlimited teir anon >>2847044 for 559/mo which is under 20/mo. > I don't know what you're looking to get from it thoughPersonally, I wouldn't do the 559/mo plan, but I could easily see the 239/mo plan. I only need a few days a month where I am on project calls usually once a week with a floating one somewhere mixed in. So, me having a full office to take calls for that would be appealing. I'd rather get a better Airbnb at that rate the appeal I could see is if you are working abroad constantly taking calls and meets daily to where you need a desk space to actually perform work. I also can see these places providing a good standard or baseline for internet speed, good noise control, power, climate control, etc. Depending on the country it could be viable due to power costs or the like. For people who have "daily/weekly stand ups" with the webcam needing to be on!!!!!, I could 1000% see people jumping for the reserved office spaces.
>>2847094under 20 a day*
>literally fucking dies
>>2845563Nah Vegas has always been good during recessions. Vegas just failed to keep up with the times.
>The year 1931 was pivotal for Las Vegas. At that time, Nevada legalized casino gambling[28] and reduced residency requirements for divorce to six weeks.[29] This year also witnessed the beginning of construction of the tunnels of nearby Hoover Dam. The influx of construction workers and their families helped Las Vegas avoid economic calamity during the Great Depression. The construction work was completed in 1935.Vegas, born 1931, died 2021, peaked in the 70s
corporations ruined it. where is the mob when you need them
>>2843428This. Regular people kept Vegas alive and Vegas has priced out regular people now. It's that simple.
>>2843707>dirt cheap for the qualitythe point that you are missing is that when people go and stay in hotels in London, NYC, Paris, Bali, or wherever else, they are going to be a tourist in that place.In Vegas, the hotels/casinos ARE the attraction. So it's a different dynamic entirely. Nobody goes to vegas to admire the desert. There is nothing in vegas aside from the casinos.
