Ok, give me the most hopeless and saddest novel recommendations.
>>24749665I’ve never heard of the third one. Gonna check it out, thanks.
>>24749678I think the author realised what suicidefuel he had made so he also wrote an alternative optimistic story ("The Fortress") about a fundamentally good and moral man finding a way to survive in such a world after suffering the trauma of war and the abuses of the powerful.
My diary desu.
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>>24749970His diary desu~.
I'm interested in the philosophical concept of heroes and heroism. Are there any good essays or other resources I should read?
>>24750037On Heroes, Hero-Worship, & the Heroic in History by Thomas Carlyle
>>24750037I always liked how heros dont really exist until theres a problem to solve and conflict and going through trials but villians just live perpetually regardless and have always been there.
Bad Title and Thumbnail Edition (pic related)Stubbed>>24740312>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>Advice for Noobs!Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24749990It has litrpg though.
>>24749996wuxiachads will inherit the earth
>>24749918>I just want something long, entertaining, and mindless to read, preferably on the lower end of the chinkslop/autism spectrum. Is there a real list of recs somewhere?Your only choice is Chinese/Korean novels
>>24750004I don't mind it, as long as it doesn't have a romance/teenage drama/harem
>>24750020>op mc litrpg with no romancethat's like 90% of rising stars at any time
Are we more prudish in some ways now? When I read old books, people including men say stuff like "he is as serenely beautiful as Endymion" or "she has such pretty feet" but nowadays you'd seem weird if you did so, even in a piece of fiction - at the very least you wouldn't be able to say them innocently and without irony
The number of delicate feelings you can express without eliciting laughter has decreased. Like you have to self-consciously embrace an aesthetic of vulgar sexuality* or camp kitschiness in order to say these things, unless you want to seem autistic*by which I mean we don't accept aesthetic/erotic statements unless you say them as though the subject were intrinsically something low and base. even a gay man can't compliment another man's beauty sentimentally. he has to express it in the most carnal way possible if he doesn't want to be laughed at. and this isn't just because we're more "honest" and "plain spoken" now. you often have to distort your own feelings out of a sort of reverse-prudishness. you have to make them seem lower than they areprobably it began as a welcome reaction against the ridiculous, insincere hyper-expressiveness of the preceding centuries, but now it's just running off inertia. and it's a very depressing kind of conventionality. at least the old hypocrisy gave you license to experiment with massive epic forms of self-disclosure, was rich and expansive, would encourage you to fling your words at distant mental objects, to push the power of language to its limit, to venture out toward the most far-off constellations of sense-experience and down into the darkest, deepest, subtlest chambers of the soul. but even the most "flamboyant" people today are mostly identical, because they're only permitted to parade what is common to everyone - just in a more obnoxious way than other peopletotally mechanical existence
>>24749091yea absolutely
>>24749091yes. degeneracy is the mask of prudish conformity.https://www.bitchute.com/video/BqYqfKDzze6J
Dan Brown interview in my daily newspaper, this line caught my eye: > "Anybody who writes a thriller needs to have a plan. There's a great saying that the thriller writer who starts a book without knowing where's he's going is just lying," he told The Associated PressOh wow, really? What a great saying! I’m sure a lot of people say that! THE FUCK, WHY DID HE JUST BLATANTLY LIE ABOUT SOMETHING THIS DUMB?
>>24748457If you don't have a plan for your book you are lying but when your plan is just your self-insert sexy detective professor fantasy, or you know - fiction, I am sorry, chief, you aren't exactly telling the truth either.
>>24748457>Anybody who writes a thriller needs to have a plan
>>24748457I don’t know what you’re upset about. He overgeneralized based on his own experience (or what he wants people to think is the default). Clearly a lot of authors do not have a plan. Should they have a plan? I think we all have examples of where no plan meant a shitty book trying to tie everything together at the last minute. Very unsatisfying. But plenty write without structuring it first and are successful. And perhaps most damning a lot plan their book out and fail to write anything engaging anyway, or have it hinge on contrivances regardless. The roads to a successful narrative are many but few make it all the way there.
>>24748457>THE FUCK, WHY DID HE JUST BLATANTLY LIE ABOUT SOMETHING THIS DUMB?Because he is a compulsive liar and cant stop it even if it's patently stupid. None of his supposed historical tidbits are true either. Not really much point in reading anything he writes.
>>24749178I’m upset that he felt the need to say something as stupid as “there’s a great saying…” to something that is obviously neither great nor a saying.
Will studying philosophy actually grant me wisdom? Or will it only grant me knowledge of other men’s opinions? Will studying Plato’s writing on the soul give me wisdom on the nature of the soul or just knowledge of Plato’s opinions on the soul?
>>24748146>>24748154Which is more beautiful, a blonde or a brunette?
>>24748437For me? A blonde. If you think this is a way to prove that the theory of forms is subjective, it is not, since I don't believe in the theory of forms.
>>24748568Again, no one is saying the forms are subjective. You said “everything is objective” Do opinions of beauty not fall into “everything”?
>>24748586Aghh, I get your point now. You could've been more direct. All of this was simply a mistake of one single word which I never payed much attention to (Since I always argued about reality afterwards and not "everything"). >If theory of forms is real, then reality is objective. Including the form of woman and man. This will cause half of america to call you a nazi fascist.There you go
>>24748687Nazi, you will be made to give account and your excuses will not save you from the fire
"terrible copy/paste job" edition >>24722983"High School Girlfriend" editionPrevious: >>24707466 (Cross-thread) /wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ (embed)RESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvC (embed)Please limit excerpts to one post.Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported.(And maybe double-space your WIPs to allow edits if you want 'em.)Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24749617>>24749673This actually isn't a stupid question at all: why do art if AI can do it much better? For me, I don't know if there would be any point. But the thing is: if (the current) AI is trained on human-sourced material, how could it transcend it? That's right, it can't, it only mimics, and art is partially about transcending limits and creating something truly new and unique. AGI can't do that as of now. And there seems to be a lot of purists who value the human-aspect in art so much that there's always some demand for it. For me it seems most people just tend to cope with the "not made by human so it:s soulless" -sentiment. What if it was the best fucking thing you've ever seen by s mile? You can't seriously claim you don't give a fuck, since stuff made by AI, in the future, could in fact say something about the human experience, as retarded as is sounds
>>24749361>unfrequentedNo, it's overfrequented by people who have no business writing. And there are too many newbs here.
>writing is hard you have to do it in this specific wayNigga, just write.
>>24749558A story can have a good story/content and bad style/form.
>>24749734I just do like Murakami and Houellechad:>then they went to x>person walked over to placeI used to feel guilty about it, now I think it's better.
Recommended reading charts. (Look here before asking for vague recs)https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg>Previous:>>24729043>Thread Question:Do you need supplementary material to enjoy books? I'm talking art, music, etc. based on the property? Does it help you visualize what you've read better?
>>24749424I know nothing about the books.I just finished something so i'm not currently reading anything, but neither am i motivated to start something else, even though i could use the distraction.Stop projecting your fetishes.
>>24745507These threads have some of the most autistic people on this board and that's saying something.
>>24748749Shallan is, unfortunately, the main character of book 2. It's hard to know when her PoV will suddenly matter.
>>24740187Haven't read earthsea but I have read Heavens Lathe and loved it so probably earthsea
Is there a reason P. Watts has gotten so popular in the past 3 years? Or just a build-up of a consistent fan base creating content like that short film and online reviews?
>His Principia Mathematica side hustle imploded. Gödel the God-fearing Christian ruined it.>He had epistemological trolls that any atheist Reddit neckbeard could have come up with and that were less sophisticated than those of Sextus Empiricus and Hume.>His theory of descriptions was completely unnecessary, a midwit answer to something only midwits see as a problem ("[Meinong] argued, if you say that the golden mountain does not exist, it is obvious that there is something that you are saying does not exist -- namely the golden mountain; therefore the golden mountain must subsist in some shadowy Platonic world of being, for otherwise your statement that the golden mountain does not exist would have no meaning. I confess that, until I hit upon the theory of descriptions, this argument seemed to me convincing.")>Even his stupid paradox in naive set theory that bears his name had been prefigured elsewhere in letters from Zermelo.>Continental scholars routinely demonstrated his misunderstandings of Continental philosophers, toward whom he had emotional, Anglocuck revulsions unbecoming of a thinker.
>>24749387It's when a dog gives birth to a cat, right?
>>24734677Daily /pol/ christfag thread
>>24749540hey mr retard here's the xenoparity you wantedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messor_ibericus#Xenoparity
>>24749387>>24748063>Macroevolution comprises the evolutionary processes and patterns which occur at and above the species level. In contrast, microevolution is evolution occurring within the population(s) of a single species. In other words, microevolution is the scale of evolution that is limited to intraspecific (within-species) variation, while macroevolution extends to interspecific (between-species) variation.Even wikipedia refutes you. Stop posting anon, it's embarrassing
I don't get it, why not just call in the monks at Mr Athos to do a tinsey miracle to shut up the atheists
Can someone point me to an amoral character? I don't think amorality actually exists. It seems like you're either doing good or doing evil.
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>>24749935Is power a value? Seems like a means and not an end. Interesting point>>24749940He's stuck though.>>24749952>He is definitely amoral, but most people would consider his actions (e.g. baiting another man into a duel so he can kill him because he was bored) as evil.He's just evil and somewhat retarded>>24749971I thought he was good but desu cannot remember the plotlines
>>24749978>I thought he was goodHe kills people for money regardless if they're good or bad. Fortunately most of the people he's hired to take out are scum so the games don't become grimdark.
>>24749891Not my problem
Absolutely not. The lectures are good and you should read also inaugural diss. The rest in that picture are useful only if you are already interested in them
>>24750002Just read critique bro
>>24750002I think the number of introductory reading charts that exist out there that people agree on is rare.
ITT: Books only you have read
>>24749557Could it have been this?
>>24749541who is that cute boy?
>>24749541Lowry, including Ultramarine, is read by a great many.
this is not a joke
Umm why isn't he talking about Trump? Where is the Trump stand-in? I'm so confused..
>>24748976Before he dies he needs to post a boomer selfie of himself, somehow somewhere, maybe on telephone poles
>>24748976Anon. When you're as old as that, you should have figured out by then that all politicians are pieces of shit and not worth a single word. I'm half his age and know this.
>>24748976Could he do it well, do you think? Is there anyone who could?
Has anyone else noticed this trend of people wanting to get rid of entire tropes, concepts, themes, etc in storytelling purely because a popular media did it poorly at one point? I swear I've seen this so many times.>Grey morality >Humans are the real monsters >Characters dealing with their trauma and having emotional conversations >Critiques of capitalism, consumerism, broader society etc. Instead of wanting these tropes to be written better, people just want to throw them out wholesale purely because they were done poorly by something popular. They want to throw the entire orchard away because of a few bad apples and I think that's utterly retarded. I don't know if it's because of the quality of discussion online slowly going down over the years or what. People talk about how bad modern writers are, but I can't imagine what kind of saccharine sterile shit these kinds of people would produce if they were in charge.
>I am rendered incredulous, and still wish that Shakespeare had not perpetrated this poetic atrocity. Except for the hilarious Aaron the Moor, Titus Andronicus is ghastly bad if you take it straightFinally, someone who says what everyone else is thinking
Fat fucking idiot
>>24749984He's right. Play kinda sucks.
>>24749984Well it‘s one of his pre-Richard II plays. They were all bad and this one unexceptionally so. It‘s funny the particular care Bloom regards in seeing the mulatto baby saved in a play filled to the brim with gore though. His sacred idol.
