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the greeks in my mind keep waging war against the romans. as soon as I wake up I hear their bitching. fuck this thread for introducing these two into my mind. fuck you.
I am rereading Longus once more, just because the novel offers so much that may not be apparent at first glance. First instance, the novel itself as a “pastoral” linking itself to the sprawling landscapes it describes in the text.>>Pointed verbal echoes support an interpretation of the rural space as a mirror of the text: the narrator wishes that his narrative be a “delightful property” ( ktema terpnon) just as the estate is called a “most beautiful property” ( ktema kalliston). Strikingly, the same verb ( ekponoumai) is used for the labour of the narrator and the work of Philetas on his garden. Longus, it seems, gives a nod here to Theocritus who employs that very word when he refers to the the poet Philetas of Cos. The garden as a combination of nature and art mirrors an art that “imitates and improves upon nature” (553). So it is like a Russian nesting doll. You have the pastoral landscape and you have the pastoral novel above it like a work of art that encapsulates nature. The verbal echoes here are quite clear. Also noticeable is the wolf imagery for sexual deviancy->Gnathon (Jaws) the elderly pederast ie wolf jaws>Daphnis falling into a wolf trap where he meets Chloe>Dorco dressed as a wolf to pounce on Chloe>Lycanion (wolf woman) the prostitute
>>25007053I must pay respects to Longus by reading his novel again. It's been a while plus I'm no longer that green so much more should it be appreciated. Read Cervantes' version of the pastoral La Galatea. He completely breaks the rules in this one. Should increase the chuckles if you are aware of them. He comes out swinging.
What's the most accurate YouTube recital of the original Iliad to listen to?
>>25007077It is secretly a right wing novel for the modern reader. It would appeal in today’s political climate even more than its original day I think. >urbanites as all deviant homosexuals (Gnathon) and lascivious prostitutes (Lycanion)>the pastoral land as pure and urbanity as a blight>Nature over nurture as the main duo believe themselves to be children of shepherds but only when it’s revealed they’re both offspring of aristocrats is their love truly blessed>good breeding as inherent to nature of aristocrat class This stuff all makes the novel a timeless classic of right wing thought.
Need it or keep it?
>>25007242>They say she is no more,that there her absence roars,Where is 'there'? I like the idea of an absence or lack of something 'roaring'. It's like a thunderous silence or something similar but that doesn't excuse the reference to a place that is then not named or expanded upon.>Blood-blown like a rose.Are roses known to be blood-blown? This simile doesn't make sense unless I am missing a specific reference or context to something. Or is this a continuation of the last line and the comparison is between the rose and her absence (ie: both of them roar blood-blown). In either case I don't follow the simile.>Iced wheel flinched & frozeI think this is nonsense because she wanted to incorporate I.C.E. Or is THIS the simile comparing the rose to the iced wheels? I cannot understand how wheels could flinch. I can imagine wheels stuttering (like slamming down the brake pedal with ABS) or slurring or meandering or freezing or skidding, but I cannot really understand what wheels 'flinching' would evoke.>Now, bare riot of candles,>Dark fury of flowers,>Pure howling of hymns.I guess the point here is the contrast of peaceful, calm subjects (candles, flowers, hymns) with violent actions (riot, fury, howling). I think there should have been an alliteration in the first of these three lines as the three are obviously connected and it's silly to have only two of the three linked lines have alliteration.>If for us she aroseComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25007577>Change is only possible,>& all the greater,Given that change is ONLY possible as Gorman describes, a form of [lesser] change that does not involve the labour of neighbors being moved by love etc... is not possible.>When the labor>& bitter anger of our neighborsI think this is suggesting that bitter anger of neighbors is a bad thing. (I assume this poem is anti-ICE rhetoric and calls out people who report their neighbors as illegals). If this is the case it seems somewhat hypocritical because 'bitter anger' feels pretty in line with the 'bare riot' and 'dark fury' that is expressed by the good guys in the first stanza.>Is moved by the love>& better angels of our natureI feel that this would work better if the subject was the neighbors themselves and not the anger and labour that was moved by angels.>What they call death & void,>We know is breath & voice;I would love to know why Gorman used a semi-colon for this line and only this line.>In the end, gorgeously,Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25007577Dude give her a break she's just a stupid nigger. At least she's not rapping.
>>25007242i am stunned. a masterwork that just may change the conversation
>>25007242I don't care what that dumb lady did, no one deserves to have a poem written about them by Amanda Gorman.
Talk about poems/poets you like, post your own work, and critique others.
Looking for recommendations for a handheld book of poetry, something that can fit in my pocket. The Norton Anthology doesn't quite cut it at the moment.Here's a haiku to support the thread:wind falls on pagessunlight breathes life into wordsearth has given thus
These lines get sent like prayers In secular lands Not to the high heaven aboveNot to beauty making its own waysYour eyes of frozen ink and saltOnly made for the ribbon of sleep.Tomorrow is where good intentionsAre stored, where love growsYes, there’s hopeless blood And endless, crushing toil -The boat with its mocking holeSilver bucket, always at hand Romantic just as any lost cause Might not make it to shore Might never marry skin with sand
They tell us not to hateHoney catches fliesThen it's too lateCorpse sweetened by lies
These dots holographicglittering passporton a desk in an officeof the porn inspector general
Gayyyy ahhh thread
will reading these books better help me navigate the world today?
>>25007550Probably not, but it will make you a lot less tolerant of blatant bullshit.
>>25007567People who have autism actually are immune to propaganda, though.
>>25007550
>>25007583Not at all. For one that may be able to see through some BS, there's a 1000 who are just as played.
It seems rock solid. Totally impenetrable. How do you even argue against rational Egoism?
>>25006549>The person who yolks reason, logos, to the passions becomes a slave to the passions, ignorance, and circumstanceOne might say they'd have some egg on their face
>>25006451Yes but you wouldn't get it.
unbelievably retarded thread from OP. The entire concept of egoism is pure evidence of everything Wittgenstein saying being correct.Part of the problem with certain "truths" is the idea that they must be disproved before proven, so some retard can arbitrarily define everything in an emptily hollow way that circularly validates exactly what they wanted to validate as true.In this way, certain "truths" are true, so that they can be treated as such and all the validatios that come with that, not because any actual concept of truth is being appealed to.In this case. The only answer is to DEMAND engagement outside ones ownself, because LANGUAGE by its very fundamental basis implies something outside a "oneself". It cannot be private. You don't even need to suscribe to Wittgensteinism. Its just that once you understand certain things about the way retarded human beings engage, Wittgenstein offers a clarity that pulls it all together.The way to engage with "thought" like this is to simply propose something, and then demand engagement.Simply put not everything needs to be "cared" about. Not everything needs to be "justified".If a schizophrenic thinks that a completely innocent person is actually someone who has been fucking with their life for months. What matters, isnt whether this can be "justified". What matters is whether that person can engage with you and/or society in a manner where they can understand beyond themselves. Because to deal with others, you need that capacity. This isnt about empathy.Ultimately if the schizophrenic cannot communicate with you, and cannot engage with your capacity for dissatisfaction with said perspective. Then it doesnt matter what it "justified". We treat that person in the end the same way we treat a rabid dog that bites somebody. You put them down.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25007484>I have no argument, here's a wall of seetheok
>>25006451>rational Egoismoxymoron
The highest form of literature is a play written in poetic meter, all the complexities of the novel with the flowery language of poetry
>>25005498more strict rule of poetry =/= more artistic on the artistic scaleIt seems to me you'd say a work of architecture submitted to more structural regulations and rules would end up being a "Higher Form of Architecture" with that reasoning : plain retardation, good sirThere are many ways to insert structural aesthetic (perceptible) symmetry in a narrative work: characters whose ideas harmonize or perfectly mirror; scenes that oscillates in atmosphere and tone, but aim upward in grandiose; can you feel the emotions growing somber and the imitation of that descent achieved through a change of vocabulary; can you see all that symmetry? I'm not an advocator of complexity, too much in that direction and you will lose all beauty, but if you can only see what's immediate, and constrain yourself to that, then there is a whole range of ideas and sensibilities that you'd deny yourself access to.
>>25006920Shut up retard. Everyone knows poetry is superior to prose and it's not because it has more 'strict rules', and if you think otherwise you're a retard.
>>25006931get a life instead of ragebaiting,stop being a waste of space
vagbond is my favorite piece of literature
>>25006920limitations inspire creativity, this is known, look at video games
Bonaventure’s metaphysics is superior to that of Aquinas insofar as it preserves the intrinsic intelligibility of being by refusing to sever ontology from its epistemic and exemplar causes. Against Thomistic abstractionism, Bonaventure argues that ens creatum cannot ground its own intelligibility through the mere actus essendi abstracted from sensibles, since abstraction yields at best a conceptual universal lacking the necessity required for certitude. In the Collationes in Hexaëmeron and the Itinerarium mentis in Deum, he insists that intelligibility presupposes participation in the rationes aeternae, such that every act of genuine intellection implicitly refers to an exemplar order in the divine intellect. This move avoids the latent nominalism implicit in Aquinas’ account, wherein being is treated as epistemically neutral and self-disclosing prior to illumination. By contrast, Bonaventure’s metaphysics secures the conditions of possibility for knowledge by grounding ontology, logic, and epistemology in a single explanatory principle: participated likeness to the first Truth. The result is a system in which necessity, universality, and intelligibility are not postulated but metaphysically explained.Moreover, Bonaventure’s rejection of the primacy of esse in favor of the transcendentals of goodness, light, and exemplarity yields a more coherent account of participation and causality. Aquinas’ analogy of being, while formally elegant, risks rendering the analogate opaque, since ipsum esse subsistens is posited as metaphysically primary without a corresponding account of how finite intellects can apprehend being as such without already presupposing illumination. Bonaventure avoids this circularity by articulating an analogy of light, in which being is intelligible only insofar as it is irradiated by divine exemplarity, thus preserving the hierarchical structure of reality without collapsing epistemic access into angelic intuition. His metaphysics therefore maintains a strict asymmetry between Creator and creature while still accounting for real participation, something Aquinas’ autonomous natural metaphysics struggles to secure without supplementary theological premises. In this sense, Bonaventure’s system is not merely more theologically integrated but more logically coherent, since it explicitly thematizes the conditions under which being can be known at all rather than tacitly assuming them.
>>25007458>If you can't understand the thread OPIt's clear you thought you wrote at a high level, but you didn't. It reads like a high schooler discovering primitive Christianity for the first time. If you're not open to figuring out your mistakes then you're just going to continue making them. >The world and the board does not revolve around youNot sure what you're talking about. It looks like you're just deflecting away from the points so you don't have to answer for the many, many mistakes posted in the OP.>Yes, it isNo it isn't. In fact, all of the definitions are stated without substantiation. Just because you state something doesn't make it true. Nothing in the OP was substantiated. When I tell you that you're OP is missing elements in discussion and then you admit that Bonaventure makes the argument elsewhere then you're confessing to the problem. The reason you're here is to argue Bonaventure's case, but you fail to do that. Again: the presuppositions that Bonaventure are arguing with, and you're insisting upon, were not stated in the OP and are not proven anywhere in the text or yet in the thread. If you're going to make these cases you need to build them from the ground up instead of spouting out random key points and hoping others will do your homework for you.
>>25007474>Just because you state something doesn't make it true. Nothing in the OP was substantiated.The OP’s post is not a proof-oriented post or demonstration by itself, it’s just a summarizing Bonaventure’s metaphysics vis-à-vis Aquinas. There’s a difference between summarizing a philosophical stance and fully proving it from first principles. To any reasonable and good-faith person it's evident that the post is simply doing the former and is clearly not even attempting to do the latter. For you to even act like the post was doing the latter is laughable and is actually a sign that you are duplicitously arguing in bad-faith. It's even more absurd because you seem to be getting worked-up over a fictional account of what the OP post was doing that wasn't even true to begin with. > many, many mistakes posted in the OP.There are none, it is just a series of factual descriptive statements about the inner architecture of Bonaventure's metaphysics and how it compares to Aquinas.
>>25004858>Bonaventure’s metaphysics secures the conditions of possibility for knowledge by grounding ontology, logic, and epistemology in a single explanatory principle: participated likeness to the first Truth.Literally Platonism
I read the Itinerarium in college, what else of Bonaventure's should I read?
>>25007521>it’s just a summarizing Bonaventure’sIf he were to summarize Bonaventure he should have done so from the beginning. He makes the ideas sound hollow by not introducing them at their start. Vis-a-anyone is a waste of time if those ideas are taken as assumptions. /lit/ isn't a particularly Catholic or even Christian heavy board, so it's a bizarre strategy and allows for too many holes to be instantly poked in all of the things we're supposed to be addressing.>There’s a difference between summarizing a philosophical stance and fully proving it from first principlesThe best place to start would be from the beginning, not interspersing intermedial conversation points and wondering why people are becoming mildly critical.>To any reasonable and good-faith personInsinuating that people who don't instantly agree are being bad faith is itself bad faith. Don't be a poor sport.>For you to even act like the post was doing the latter is laughableI wasn't acting like that. I was criticizing it explicitly on those grounds. Did you just not understand my criticisms? That was where I started the criticism FFS. >actually a sign that you are duplicitously arguing in bad-faithThere was no deception- I literally started with the criticism that he was posting every even paragraph without going through the odd ones, in other words, leaving so much out that of course he created a raving nonsensical and irrationally disconnected rant of a post.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
What book do you read to prepare you for death
Suttree
montaigne
>>25007537A Game of Thrones should put me in the mood for dying.
the bible audiobook read by larry king
>>25007537I wouldn't read.I would write my final words and try to make them good enough that even people who didn't personally know me would remember me.Though a week is one hell of a deadline. Probably would just write a manifesto and go out in a blaze of glory. If I had a year would instead try to make a decent martial arts manual and training guide based on my lifetime of training and experience. Main reason I haven't worked on such a book already is because I am always learning new stuff. But if I knew I was dying I would switch gears from learning stuff to writing down what I know for the benefit of the martial artist after me.So much hard won stuff is lost every time a old master of their art dies.
Is experimental literature lame
>>25007460it's pseudslopif you're a pseudpiggy maybe you'll enjoy it
>>25007460kinda yeahhad a good run, some fun shit, but it slowly killed off mainstream interest in "serious" lit by denouncing anything even remotely conventional as "middlebrow"when that tension is gone all that remains is masturbation
>>25007460And an experimental lit writer, yes. If you use rigorous structure and decades of practice to create something insane, cool. Every half ass outsider art no punctuation in coherent slop piece? Pass.
>Now, let us design the ideal government, using only facts and logic.>To begin with, consider the case of a man with a magic ring that turns him invisible.
>>25007262yeah that one was a meme, he does it for real in Laws after he realized that socrates was a retard.
You don't understand logic. If you think "magic" is illogical.
>>25007487Excellent point.
>>25007546yeah i know. i made it.
at the edge of the world editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>24975576
>>25006306>>25006355>>25006570
>>25006873Ya those look super duper AI
>>25004479I read them years ago, before ASOIAF, and really enjoyed them.>>25004757>you might recognize some characters yoinked (that's ok, everyone does that)>Robert and Mahaut of Artois are amazing characters, Mahaut especiallyPhilip the Long is literally me
>>25006873the wall one looks especially sus to me since i remember that the wall is supposed to have a bunch of buildings and not a single actual castle.
Why hasnt grrm (pbuh) made any blog posts in over 3 months
On December 4th, George R R Martin handed in a finished manuscript of Winds of Winter. I took notes as I reviewed the book. I did not read it in full and in depth, but skimmed for my job. I expect the news to break next week, so here's the rough story by chapter for all my buddies here.There are 96 chapters. I will summarize each one briefly. Sadly the storyline does somewhat follow the show.>Epilogue - Forley PresterPOV is a knight of Lannister escorting Rob's wife and Uncle to Casterly Rock. Snows have slowed them down so they are weeks late. One night a wolfpack led by Arya's wolf attacks the host killing everyone>Chapter 1 - Daenerys IDany is being 'escorted' by the Dothraki back to Vaes Dothrak for judgement. She sent away Drogon and was caught, but the dragon is circling. She is considering her fate all the while the dragon circles overhead. Her thoughts about Mereen and her Brother continue to develop and shape the rest of the book.>2 - Cersei IIn the aftermath of Kevan's death, Cersei is completely shut down with rage feeling powerless. Mace arrived the morning of and put the castle under protective lockdown and Cersei is 100% convinced that Margery is fucking Tyrion, and planning on killing Tommen. Cersei is banned from seeing Tommen given her trial and she is also convinced the Tyrells killed Jamie. Qyburn does his best to manage her as the trial approaches
>the hightowers allying with euronIs quite possibly the most retarded lie I've ever heard someone say when it comes to ASOIAF.
YOU FUCKING LIAR
>>25000383Two more weeks, trust the plan
Nope I am not reading that shit real or not. I just do not care. Tell George the best he can do for his series is leave it unfinished.
>>25006915Euron is SauronSaruman who is initially good, joins Sauron. Saruman is like Leyton Hightower who will ally with Euron
>Marxism is a religionit seems like a reddit tier observation but it's literally true. I didn't realize how true it was until I started reading more about the history of the christian church. marxism and early christianity and islam follow almost the exact same formula and psychology.
>>25007261He was the prototype for the Finder's cult.
>>25007387The social media "leftists" who just want socialized health care have only Mamdani.The literary communists who have actually read marx see capitalism progressing as expected.
>>25007519He talks about the schools and its failures openly in his autobiography. there certainly was no pedophilia there, I imagine that news clipping is simply trying to be sensational, just as modern reactionary media does.
Did Russell ever contribute anything of value to the sciences or philosophy?
>>25007536he literally invented type theory in logic
What are some beautifully sad books?
>>25007058
The Last Unicorn is both beautiful and sad.>>25007080Les Miserables is not sad. It is one of the most uplifting and hopeful books I have read.
My Year of Rest and Relaxation's last chapter got me incredibly emotional
>>25007495Anon the title is literally "The Miserable" and a ton of horrible shit happens to everyone
>>25007500I didn't have much sympathy for the main character's friend so it didn't move me much
/lit/ memes
>>25001361Best template
>>25001940Arthur memes were also great
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