Every time I search for a cool "barbarian" in some RPG, no matter if it's dark fantasy or not, it's always the half-naked dude or chick that looks like he / she has just wake up after an university party.It gives the same vibes that you get from watching an historical film and for some reason, the filmmakers hate natural colors and must put a filter that ruins your immersion.Is it there a good RPG with proper "barbarians"?
>>96461497It always makes me smile to look back and remember the first Conan story ever has him already king and he's drawing maps.
>>96461876Yes! Exactly! He's a competent monarch because monarchs are de facto outside of society by being above it. Conan has a deep bag of tricks born out of his rugged outdoorsmanship and many travels. He will never make a good farmer and he doesn't have what it takes to be a brewer or miller. A Barbarian doesn't have those ties to civility like a Fighter might. But you need someone as a sellsword, sea reaver, burglar, bodyguard, assassin, monarch, hunter, horseman or dungeoneer then you would be wise to call on Conan in every case. That's the Barbarian bag and origin. All the magic powers, totemic spirits & berserker rage stuff is best left to Druids. High level Barbarians should be frightening because they could spring almost anything on you and they're accustomed to fighting with fear, rage & hunger in their hearts all at once. The Barbarian is cool under pressure and comfortable being threatened by primal sources, he does not command nature, he is a survivor that is part of it. When you feel the fear you start sweating, when the Barbarian feels the fear he starts thinking.
>>96457768Its like this because early D&D players wanted play a Conan type figure and Gygax when codifying classes saw the range of Conan as described accurately by >>96461497 and thought it was to overpowered conceptually.So he made the concept into a dumbass as a "balancing" call.And because D&D is D&D, it went from there.
>>96457768Barbarian in rpgs = cavemanBarbarian irl = foreign fighter/warrior
>>96462088Barbarian irl = the huns*
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>>96461774Edge of the Empire rewards you for becoming either obligated to a criminal boss or being legit (you can be dirty or clean with each side having some advantages). Age of Rebellion rewards you mostly by your loyalty to the rebel alliance.Force and Destiny is your Jedi being bipolar on a personality trait.
>>96452406How was Acolyte revisionist? It didn't make the Jedi bad guys. As others have argued it's critique of the Jedi could be considered toothless. What they did was a massive fuck-up, a sort of Waco Texas. While certainly they should be penalized for incompetency, this is in line with them holding several staff-meetings with a Sith Lord as their boss and not realizing it until the last second. The most morally shady thing they do is cover up said fuck-up, but that was a decision made on the ground and not by the Council or anyone. And even then, it wasn't so much an active cover-up so much as those involved being very choosy in how to detail their report (an Obi-Wan Kenobi level of 'true from a certain point of view). >>96453323A New Jedi Order could have been done (and likely still will be for necessity sake) I think the issue was more setting Rey up to have WAY less resources than Luke, but nobody thought about how logistics is meant to work in Star Wars. Which is why my theory is Ahsoka will do it- since it make more narrative sense for her to do it than Rey. >>96454081Yeah that's in line for what I expect from Star Wars retcons, and about what my imagining was. I guess I'm one of those people who would argue that consists of two different republics even if there is a line of continuity there. Heck- France is on their Fifth Republic right now, and some even think they might be on their way to their sixth. Personally- I actually find it fun to reconcile two competing lore ideas, like to me I think it can be both true the Sith Empire imploded itself, while also the Jedi were the ones to defeat them. Typically extremists and autocrats are their own worst enemies. Arguably the Nazis defeated themselves by running their country into the ground and declaring war on every single major power, to the point where they were looking into researching magic as a way to defeat the Allies.
>>96461999Personally I just find it odd that there hasn't been any major adaptions of the Sith Empire, outside of TOR and some visions shorts to my knowledge (by which I mean- stuff that's not comics or books that only the super-dedicated fans would be aware of).
>>96461999>It didn't make the Jedi bad guys.Yes, it did. This might not be your understanding of the show (as far as I'm concerned, for example, everything the jedi did was 100% justified), but that was certainly the intention of the author. The jedi (and more specifically Sol) were supposed to be wrong at every step of the way, both during the coven crisis and during the actual events of the series. Sol couldn't even die in a good manner, because by allowing himself to be killed he stole agency from Osha again and infantilized her. You are right to compare the situation to Waco, but it's written to be Waco in its most uncharitable, "ATF is Satan" version.
>>96461999>What they did was a massive fuck-up, a sort of Waco Texas.Did the Waco guys put a girl on a pyre and give the impression to any reasonable observer directly in front of the cops that they were going to light it on fire and kill her? Because those witch-bitches absolutely had it coming, the lead one turned into a fucking darkside smoke monster.Don't pretend any of the retardation in that show was in any way intentional and clever, they absolutely intended the viewer should take the Jedi as the villains they're just so ideologically vapid and functionally incompetent that they couldn't pull it off.
The most irrelevant faction in 40K.
>>96453825>>96453776 here. Haven’t even heard of it until you mentioned it. Is it worth the read?
>>96445137At least they have the excuse of not existing for 99% of the franchise's history.
>>96446863That image describes 99% of modern feminist characters.
>>96453832>The Path of the Dark Eldar trilogy is pretty widely regarded as one of the best sets of Xenos books in the whole setting.>Yeah the Path of the Dark Eldar is a very tight and good read. All of the characters are pretty interesting despite all being Drukhari, and it really gives you a good look at the differences within the culture. Fun concepts like Ailendrach where Mandrakes live, the large amount of pocket dimensions very close to Comorragh proper, Incubi shit. I liked it a lot. The Archon was pretty cool too and I was rooting for him, but Vect is inevitable.>Path of the Dark Eldar is fucking god tier, bar none the best xenos trilogy BL will ever put out and it's such a shame it rots in obscurity. I cannot recommend it enough.> Have you even read Path of the Dark Eldar? Honestly they're probably the best written and most fleshed out Xenos faction in the game if you actually bother to read their trilogy. It's absolutely ridiculous how Craftworlders get absolutely shit on by GW yet Deldar get a god tier trilogy that no one read.> Seconding Path of the Dark Eldar. It's better than any of the Craftworld books.>I don't know what the fuck a drukhari is but the path of the dark eldar novels by Andy Chambers shit all over anything mike brooks has ever written.>Literally the only good 40k novels I ever read were the path of the dark eldar trilogy ones.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96445118GW just needs to give Vect some justification for waging a proper war in realspace, something to tie them back together with everybody else in 40k, they definitely feel overly self contained to their own dimension as is
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>>96461972Too many visible pronoun profiles already
>>96461989ok, dude.
>>96461995I've got autogynephile ptsd, please respect my triggers
>>96451137>>96451086Anyone who actually needs COMP//CON to handle their rolls and bookkeeping for them should've just played a videogame instead of a TTRPG in the first placeIt's a really pretty and nicely organized bit of software but I was all but done with building my character and mapping out my first 3 LLs (complex powergamey per-level talent/license swaps included) before I cracked it open in my first ever campagin
>>96444624If you're still around I am interested. Missed your post the first time around
Which is best:>Vampires are weak to crosses>Vampires are weak to any holy symbol>Vampires are not weak to holy stuff>Vampires are repelled by perpendicular lines, which crosses happen to look like
>>96456448https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ-sIm-qsgE
>>96455049Fucking literal retard consider the noose
>>96455291>because of your faith>only for the pure heartedthat's protestant shit (vanity), though it's better than jewish shit where you just have to be born into it. You're putting too much focus on the person being special, whereas with catholicism the point is nobody is special - everyone's shit and a sinner. In reaching for the cross in their time of need that is a tacit submission to God and a plea to his mercy, regardless of whoever that person was before. Even the person returning to sin after the fact isn't a barrier to that (frankly it's expected). >>96455515Where I see shintoism sorta overlap with vampires (aside from touhou of course, but let's ignore that) is the general central tenent of the separation of the divine or pure, mundane, and profane into their own specific spaces. And that lines up with a lot of the traditional "anti-vampire tech" out there, if not all of them. Stuff like being unable to cross running water, having to be invited into homes, even garlic as a ward - it's very easy to find parallels with that and Shinto traditions such as Shimenawa or Ofuda (or even like setsuban if you want to stretch it). So in that hypothetical, I think that if you are running with the premise that shintoism affects vampires at all, warding and sealing are definitely within their wheelhouse. Killing Vampires however? Less so. That's more within the realm of what gods would potentially do themselves than anything a priest or priestess would be doing.
>>96453882>>96454979>>96455049>>96455337You are a ultra retard who think like a third party cult lost in the ass of a tiny country with a weird name that nobody knows. Please dont post anymore
>>96457133>Probably SHOULD NOT include a cross however, unless Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour in Forgotten Realms (or whatever) as well.Fun fact: Nobanian is Aslan is Jesus Christ.Ed Greenwood himself added him into Forgotten Realms in an old Dragon article and straight up called him Aslan in it.
What made gnomes so special that they needed to be a core race for so long? they were only introduced shortly after the original races buts still stick around to this day. they are never really popular player races, and don't really fulfill the same fantasy tropes as the other races didSo why stick around as a core and not just be a later supplement?
>>96459557>>96459597Gnomes have a pedigree in real-world myth and legend at least as established as faeries and elves. The distinction between gnomes and dwarves is a relatively recent development in specifically Anglophone literature, in the sense that in original tales the characterization of the creatures depended upon the culture. In some regions, they were definitely what we today would call "gnomes". In others, they were more definitely like "dwarves". Making matters more complicated of course is that there isn't a consistent terminology used for either description.But "short, inhuman folk of a semi-magical nature who live underground and create magical crafts" have been around for at least as long elves and faeries have.
>>96459799>They're just knock-off hobbits,You answered your own question. Knock-off LotR is seen as 'generic fantasy'.
>>96459609They probably just didn't want to remove any core races, I don't think that had ever been done until 4e.
>>96459601>but why keep them around when the rule was long forgottenBecause despite the many retards here who seem to think halflings and gnomes are the same thing, they arent. They occupy their own niche of being a short magical pseudofey with an interest in innovative technology. The details of each race are fucking important to why they still exist and are separate concepts. That you lot of retards cant remember them or keep them straight in your heads doesn't give you an excuse to remove races.As time has gone on each of these races has been given a specific niche, and expanded lore that makes them very different creatures. Thats why they stick around, they occupy a niche not covered by another race.>>96460073>both by having Gnomes not be coreGnomes werent "core" in 4e because there was limited space in the first PHB and they wanted to include dragonborn and tieflings over the "standard" set of races. Beyond that the concept of the core race is something very stupid in 4e because they were released in the PHB 2, which is considered a core product for 4e alongside the PHB 3 and all DMGs.
>>96459597But Gnomes are magic Dwarves not magic Halflings
Feed me loyalists EditionPrevious thread: >>96446708>Legacies: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96461072>95 pt Saboteurs could blow up 400 pt Spartans, and weren't locked to a shotgun>Exodus could engage units during deployment>Headhunters did 3A on the charge, instead of 1 like now>Units could infiltrate with their dedicated transports. Even Land Raiders, or Multi-melta Rhinos>Dynat could Scout, Outflank or Infiltrate 3 infantry units, including terminators (in LR DTs)The Alpha Legion was OP. We just never told you. It's called "keeping a fucking secret", you know? You saw it, and didn't notice.
>>96461284A drawing cannot do these things to me
>>96462045Anon what secret, literally everyone knew raven guard and alpha legion were the actual most busted legions in the game, everyone on here is just a nogames retard who can only imagine 10 cataphractii WS5 Terminators In a vacuum and not at the same time they're rotating an apple
>>96459385>Female driversThis ain't gonna end well
>>96462061Raven guard? The ones whose assault marines had no legion trait because their chainswords' shred already did the same thing? Better say IF, anon. Poster boys>WS5 termiesYeah, AL did those good too, I'd say. Though I'd say it was more their overall flexible mobility. Deploy, redeploy, alternative deploy, bring a DT along, etc whatever. Fun stuff
>Be me.>Skitarii Vanguard Alpha Psi-77, IIIrd legion forge world Frevexia.>After sufferings heavy losses in the Pariah Nexus campaign.>The somewhat eccentric new arch magos of our fleet (the old having been killed during the war) has decided we need a vacation for some reason.>Marshal Juronious has told me they think they're mad, but orders are orders.>So that's why my squad on some paradise world somewhere in the eastern fringe guarding our arch magos as they suck down oil margaritas. >A couple troops not on guard duty have taken to enjoying themselves here, but my hunter clade are on guard duty, honestly on oil margarita doesn't sound too bad right now.Previous Thread: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2025/95328135/
>>96452357>>96454640>>96460463>Be Priscilla, Least Fortunate Woman in the Galaxy >The disguised Gooner seems willing to follow my lead for now>With his help pushing buttons and opening doors, we reach the maglev train station easily enough>There is a lot of other Gooners and Khornates here, either they are rushing off to carry out the next stage of their plan, or like me, they decided that Kokomo is no longer a safe place to be >Luckily the cultists don’t question my presence>I spot a nude male whose genitals have been replaced with an oil applicator, and a woman with a circular saw attached to hers, so I kind of fit in>Unlike the disguised Gooner, these ones mostly ignore me, probably for the best, as those that do notice me seem keen to leer or fondle>The maglev train is meant for cargo, I think it is mostly used for moving construction materials, so it is standing room only>Most of the room in the car is taken up by disturbing looking equipment, and the rest quickly becomes packed with cultists to the point where moving is almost impossible>The amount of inappropriate touching increases exponentially, and I quickly lose the ragged top that was my last item of clothing>I try my best to ignore it and stare out one of the few windows in the car as other cars continue to be loaded with cultists and equipment >Suddenly a wave of people enter through a side tunnel and open fire on the cultists with a mixed bag of weapons Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96461738>>96461847>Be Lord Morvi >The Iron Warrior decloaks revealing he was an Alpha Legionary all along>Slightly surprised but hide it under my terminator helm>Slightly pissed off when he says he and his cadre were here to kill me but once again hide it>In return for assistance in killing the patriarch and hive ship they'll give me coordinates to an agricultural world for new slaves>At this point I've got nothing to lose>I do have a fair amount of slaves captured from the haul>Genestealer cultists not standing"I'm assuming the patriarch is still planet side? If so I can spare Heartseeker and his flock of raptors for patriarch slaying. I've still got the genestealer cultists and some purestrains to deal with on my ship. Tell your commander I accept his offer">Making deals with the Alpha Legion is risky but needs must and all>Either we all get eaten or I become more paranoid >I'll take the second option at least I'll still be alive
>>96454185>>96455836>>96460569>Be Magos Majoris Yevvig of the 684th Ryzan Explotator fleet.>After a warp jump tracking a freeboota fleet we find ourselves in the Happy Ending system in the middle of a three way battle between chaos, tau, and a forge world Frevexian fleet.>Vox signals paint a grisly sight of the surface conflict, so I order a few maniples down to the surface to support our allies in the Imperium>No sooner do I do that, that a tyranid hive ship warps in.>With it this close to the planet we have one option that we stole from the orks.rammingspeed.machinespirit
>>96461940>My imagination runs wild as I consider the possibility that ever strange noise is a sign that genestealers are about to cut into the car and flood in>I have no idea where this train is going, but I already know it will be the longest ride of my life>Someone squeezes my butt again>The longest ride of my life for more reasons than one…
>>96453197>Be Bross Chadwack >We return to the ship and I ensure the Tau prisoners are extremely secure, pending examinations by Corvek>I then rally the men of the 98th that came up in the same Thunderhawk as me and go help suppress the genestealer uprising>No idea how things got so out of hand to begin with>A bunch of under and undressed women with no weapons shouldn’t be much of a threat, even with a hive mind linking them>And all of them were hooded and handcuffed when they were captured, and should have remained so until just before Corvek inspected them>If I find out it was a member of the 98th who removed the restrains from a bunch of prisoners before they were ready for processing, said individual is getting a vasectomy or hysterectomy from a rusty pair of bolt cutters>I later find out though that some unusual bio forms managed to sneak on board, which may explain a few things
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>>96461780I got one where she fell over. Does that count?
>>96461212>born-again loyalist techpriestessSay it ain't so!
>>96462023Sure. That's part of the game.
>>96462028
Choose Your Side Edition>Previous Thread>>96437893 >Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>WoD5 Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>STV content foldersComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96461779But how many weekly instances of Purely Socioeconomic Factors do KFC and Cane's have?
>>96461693It's already spooky season. For this reason "Summerween" is a thing now.
>>96461568The Cookery gift doesn't even sound supernatural. That's what all pots do after you give up but you're still making your own meals.
>>96461954Because if Christmas just jumps the line over Thanksgiving on Nov 1st, there needs to be a countermeasure.
>>96462056We should have spooky season all year long desu.Summerween, Halloween, revive the centuries old tradition of winter ghost stories and for spring... I dunno man, put flowers in skulls or something.
STANDARD IS FLOURSHING EDITION>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96461994He made Aragorn white this is another strike against him.1.Racist2.Transphobic3.Use A.I.Why would Wotc agree to work with someone that opposes their view points.
diffusion models have little problems with hands anymore
>>96462015>anon learns about perspective
>>96461955His right hand is fucked in this one.
>>96461962there isn't a single 4 fingered hand in this art. Several instances of fingers mostly overlapping but all hands have 5.
Trench Crusade General - /trench/Weird love Edition >What is Trench Crusade? An alternate weird history 28mm/32mm tabletop skirmish game still in a pre-release playtesting phase but with the full release slated for this year. Based on the art and lore of Mike Franchina, whose illustrations you may have seen floating around on /tg/ for a several years now, and designed by Tuomas Pirinen, one of the original creators of Mordheim. It's grimdark, it's visceral, it's awesome, and it's very Blanchitsu. >What Trench Crusade is not TC not an excuse for you to discuss IRL religion, history that didn't occur in the game, culture war shit, or discord bullshit on /tg/. Keep it on topic. >What's the QRD on the background? The Knights Templar turned heretic and opened the Gates of Hell when they took Jerusalem during the First Crusade. Over 800 years later the war is still ongoing as technology has developed to a pseudo diesel-punk WW1 standard and a third of Humanity has sided with the Infernal Princes. >How do I get started? All the files are free online, but are split between the website and the discord. They have all been collected here for your convenience: https://mega.nz/folder/70QH0BBa#Eg-blxYQKkY_C02wErnFTQ Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96444520>>96444553>>96444621Sorry lads I'm retarded, I forgot somethingThere was an image of the stl for the official goetic warlock model, so that's coming in the super near futureLikewise rules for the combat biologist are coming very soon, he will be more dangerous based on the blood markers of the guy he's attackingThanks for putting up with me anons!
>>96459633>missed the campaign at my LGS because I didn't know about thr game>apparently the local mega lardass (who is a weird sycophant to the owner) and boomer owner are the only people who can run TC campaign/events>They don't want to run one right nowLowkey thinking of going to another store and seeing if they'll let me grass roots TC there. The problem is this other LGS feels like it's corporate run. Random new workers every few weeks and the only games they cater too are MtG and 40k. They also have an obscene amount of dice for dnd. I'm talking like a wall and a showcase just for dice
>>96461388>apparently the local mega lardass (who is a weird sycophant to the owner) and boomer owner are the only people who can run TC campaign/eventsMan that goes pretty counter to TC in particular and FLGS's writ large. If there's another store nearby it's probably worthwhile to go elsewhere instead, but if not well just run games from home with whatever minis you can find
>>96461388Just ask for some one off games. You don't have to do a whole campaign.
>>96455940>>96453501Homunculus are an interesting model since they become more cost effective in a campaign but are rarely worth it in a one-off.It will pretty much always cost more to turn a Homunculus into a second-X than it would be to just buy X - but the resurrection feature and the larger sizes of end-campaign warbands means that becomes a much better value for money.If you want one bull, you'd be better off buying a bull, but HoW can get you 2 almost-bulls.
>a grown man roleplaying a female character
>>96455057>Grimdark realistic setting>secular paladin>"female" Gnoll>archaic spelling>meta playing allowed
>>96455057>>96457156Rroleplaying means pretending to be something you're not.
>"Alright, here's a narrative arc my character will have through the game.">pastes 70 pages of text that don't account for anything that might happened during the gameThe worst are the paladins with prewritten "fall arcs".
>>96455057>a grown man saying "red flags" like some tiktok thotYou're roleplaying a woman irl
>playing a human male Not even memeing here. In 25 years of playing rpgs probably 90% of the problem players I've ever encountered have exclusively played human male characters. Compulsive powergamer? Always human male unless their build specifically requires some racial feat or something, and even then they'll usually try to get the GM to let them have some special snowflake backstory for why their human male can ignore the prerequisite. Any sort of disruptive jackassery justified by but it's what my character would do? Almost always playing a human male. Creepy ERP weirdo? Usually playing a human male. Zero understanding of personal hygiene? Always playing a human male.
Should every aspiring GM read Appendix N?
If the GM wants to understand what AD&D 1e is trying to emulate, then yes.For other systems? Not needed, but it can be a fun experience.
>>96461612I've only read Anderson, Burroughs, Howard, Lovecraft, Morcock, Tolkien, Vance and Zelazny. Half the rest of those I don't even recognize.But sure, anon. Read books. It's good for your brain. And none of this "audiobooks count" bullshit.
I would encourage anyone to read fantasy that isn't Tolkien or Sandersonslop
>>96461612Sure. Reading is always good.
>>96461612No, most of the books on that list are dogshit.
The fall of the Night Lords to Chaos was the greatest loss the Imperium ever suffered. For those who argue that other losses were greater, those losses would not have occurred if the Night Lords remained loyal.
They lost. You're a fag.
