Which do you prefer
>>24847577for me, it's 20th century german poetrytrakl alone mogs 90% of verlaine's circlejerk
>>24850748yeah that bothered me too, as a monoglot who has access to a dual language rimbaud's season in hell, comparing the texts, it all seemed very simple, almost juvenile. i was a bit shocked that this was such a highly prized author by the french but i see now it was more about libertinism than anything else. not that he was nepotistically elevated for being willing to offer his bussy, but rather that he espoused the sort of ideas people were into, satanic posterboy
>>24850850that is to say, rimbaud was the lil nas x of his age.(search your heart, you know it to be true)
>>24850854>the lil nas xI don't know what that is
>>24850824Trakl wasn't German
Seeing as the time is nearing us and everyone either wants a change in the system or sees it as a bullshit time waste, the top 100 vote has to be overhauled this year. Now, what are the main critiques:>It's the same books every year, especially top 20-30s>Not enough people participate for it to have validity>It's overall dumbWell, I can't argue with the last two as they're dependant ot the individual's emotional outlook on the vote and seeing how ineffective last year's system of "vote for whatever and however much you want", the lack of enthusiasm is to be expected. Therefore, here are my propositions on how it shall be conducted this time:1. If we want one collected list, then it will be good to limit the votes and to give them each a point amount, e.g.: 3p, 2p, 1p. To address the problem of always having the same books on the list, here is a method for voting I believe will counteract that: >3 points vote goes to your underrated, underdog, unacknowledged masterpiece. It doesn't have to be your favourite book, but it has to be one you believe is massively overlooked (or closest to it)>2 points go to your favourite. IJ, GR, Ulysses, MD, The Bible, Karamazov all go to the top because they're agreeable, which is because they're fucking good, so there isn't really much to counter that, except implore people to not give them their top vote.>1 point goes to your second favourite, or whatever you feel like has to get that little extra push.But, there is a second problem. Whatever fiction book isn't in the top 100, it's place where it could have gone to is most probably taken up by a philosophy book. Also, the simplest way not to get the same books on top every year is just to forbid voting for them, so:2. Splitting the lists into categories, while cumbersome for the voter and the list maker, is the most effective way to make them more colourful, e.g.:>Fiction, in the three point system I suggested, no philosophical or theological texts and the such>Non-fiction, again a three point system, so it's not just the greeks, the Bible and the manifestos there>Underrated, voting for books in the top 30 (or even lower if you want) of the aggregate list will be forbidden and not accounted.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24851147Shut the fuck up
>>24851238No
>>24849983If you want the stagnation to be fixed it would be better to simply create different types of charts. >It's the same books every year, especially top 20-30sThis will always be this way, books aren't being discovered every year that will rival or surpass the classics, dumb critique not worth worrying about in my opinion. People will always have to accept the fact that these charts will always be subjective and will never truly show "the best" works of all time, just what we like the most, at the moment of the vote. Simply create different and more charts ie: "best spanish books", "best books written by women" this sort of thing. But it would have to have that "event" feel to it, like these end of the year ones do; I propose we all create a chart every quarter in the year, or once in the middle of the year and again at the end, it would diversify it and make things more interesting.
>>24849983There's actually 101 books on this list since there's two #15s and then it continues on to 16 instead of 17. I suggest that Catcher in the Rye should be removed because it's fucking garbage, then there will 100 books as intended.
>>24850219Hey guys, just popping back in to say we should really adopt my excellent idea of having a secondary top 100 where you can only submit books you've read this year.
>>24848620I denounce the talmud, the quran, and whatever demons the jeets worship... Christ is King... happy now, schizo?
>>24847598people steadily losing their compassion
>>24848401Make an exception for the Fountainhead
>>24847525>I just this finished this. What did I think of it /lit/ ?Evidently you didn't read it.
>>24850112No, thanks. I'm a Christian and Objectivism is incompatible with my belief system.
So...you should read the same book three times to really get it?
>>24851311yes. i said "most"
>>24851233If this is the rule for books, how many times do I have to listen to an audiobook to really get it?
>>24851295>>24851311Some people need more than one reading just to understand a sentence on 4chan
I have several of Adler's books.. haven't read any yet.
Pretty much.I've read Savage Detectives by Bolaño twice. The second read was my favorite.
Who is the Dostoevsky of poetry? T.S. Eliot?
Women seem to be the predominant readers and it seems predominantly porn for them. If men read books it's predominantly long-running sci-fi series. I've had success and interest in readership but it's not sci-fi (Epic fantasy) and my most success wasn't even a proper novel but a comic. The problem is comics are pretty much dead as well for English speaking countries. Am I wrong or do I need to start prioritizing different countries?
>>24850738To be fair, there was literally no point in anyone (except Ukranians) dying for Ukraine. If any global party wanted it protected from Russia military bases would already be there so any attack on Ukraine would be an attack on that nation).
>>24850738What an utterly preposterous post. There's so much wrong with it I scarcely know where to begin. First you presuppose that the only way literature can be "good" is if it aligns with whatever narrow ideological bent you subscribe to, and then you further presuppose on this, that there are no redeemable perspectives from Ukraine, and then even suggest that because the Ukrainian side of the conflict is rife with misery it somehow bereft of literary perspective which is so utterly, profoundly lacking in historical nous there is no way to address it except to call you an imbecile. Imagine approaching the subject of literature from the standpoint that its only value is as a vehicle for nationalist dogma. What utterly vile, despicable thinking.
>>24850856The very clear point flew way over your head and you sound like a NAFO faggot.
>>24850690I do need to work on the marketing bit. I also barely see people talk about fantasy novels, but if they do it mostly involves a very intricate magic based system and high magic in general, the former of which I intentionally lack outside of the fundamental rule that using the magic requires a sacrifice of your physical body. Trying to mathematically quantify the worthiness of some person defeats the point and my magic system is extremely gatekept in universe.
>>24850098>>24850138>>24850209The point of the article is that the actual difference in readership between men and woman is marginal. Yes, there has always been a trend towards woman reading more fiction. But the only real peer reviewed survey showed that there is only a 10% difference between the two. This small difference doesn't warrant the outrage or the worried conversations that have sprung up around it. And the reason we have just accepted this view is because people desperately need a scapegoat to blame the misfortunes of the world on and this is just one of many.>Of course the people who voted Trump into power don't read! Of course the people who made Andrew Tate popular at one point don't read! Of course the group I percieve as sexist are un-empathetic and therefore non-readers! Evidence be damned! I'll believe it anyway!
What’s the literary equivalent of this
>>24851337If you made a concrete pyramid and then faced it with skulls you could probably get it up to the size of the GPG. You want it to be visible from space I assume, so maybe space them a bit.
>>24849644after the industrial revolution, craftsmen and artisans were not as needed to create basic goods and so they turned their attention to intellectual/aesthetic goals. The focus of art became conceptual rather than purely about the techinal skill of the craftsmanship. Of course this resulted in a ton of pretentious wankery, but I don't think it's a bad thing that art has more conceptual aims now
>>24843976You're acting like no artist believes those things.You don't remember the claim that 9/11 was art in the most technical sense of the word?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlheinz_Stockhausen#11_September_attacks>Well, what happened there is, of course – now all of you must adjust your brains – the biggest work of art there has ever been. The fact that spirits achieve with one act something which we in music could never dream of, that people practise ten years madly, fanatically for a concert. And then die. [Hesitantly.] And that is the greatest work of art that exists for the whole Cosmos. Just imagine what happened there. There are people who are so concentrated on this single performance, and then five thousand people are driven to Resurrection. In one moment. I couldn't do that. Compared to that, we are nothing, as composers. [...] It is a crime, you know of course, because the people did not agree to it. They did not come to the "concert". That is obvious. And nobody had told them: "You could be killed in the process."
>Litizens unironically defending and even praising the crude sculpture of a guy sucking his own dickPottery
>>24851610These are the sorts of people who enjoy webnovels.
>doesn't like allegory>likes the metamorphosisHow does that work?
>>24851460Schopenhauer clearly explains why allegory and categorical description is the path poetry needs to express Ideas and become sublime. Its not the case in pictorial or plastic art, but in writing allegory and metaphor are indispensable
What's it an allegory for?
Metamorphosis is expressionist not allegorical
>>24851460>"Nothing bores me more than political novels">writes Bend Sinister
>>24851460The Metamorphosis isn't an allegory.
I'll start with an obvious one. Great read.
"Lords of Chaos: The Bloody Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground" by Moynihan. Pretty fun read about the black metal retards in Norway.
>>24844183We made a chart some time ago, but I can't find it in my archives. Maybe go ask /mu/
>>24845136hey sweetie that's a DVD
>>24845068cool, didn't know fahey wrote.
>>24845749>>24847738will I like reading these even though I know jack shit about music theory and classical music?
Do any of you wear headphones while reading? Do you listen to music or rain sounds or something? If so, do you match it to the book you're reading?I have a pair of noise canceling earbuds that do a pretty good job of quietting the outside world. Sometimes I'll put on a little white noise too.
does every /lit/cel not have their own place? are we the poorest board?
>>248497372nd. /x/ has to be the poorest board. Or the richest. Only the wealthy and poor can entertain in such.
>>24844620>he doesnt listen to ambient music fitting the genre he reads.No wonder most of you guys are crusty and mean. You aint got no joy in ya!
>>24849737/fit/ is really poor as well. Some of the homegyms that get posted there look like taliban hideouts. Both are very cheap hobbies.
Most of the time i read in silence. When it happens that i want to read in a noisy place i put on either "soft piano" sounds or lo fi from youtube, just to cancel out the sounds from around me. But i don't like it, nothing beats reading in silence. This is one of the reasons i will never understand reading in public transport.
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>>24851669Maybe he was telling falsities in bed
>>24851673You don't celebrate all saints day you fucking liar
>>24851681In a lot of places in Europe, All Saints is about the remembrance of your loved ones who passed away, even among completely secular people. Even if you don't visit cemeteries any other day, you almost certainly do on All Saints. And even if you don't, usually because it is not feasible practically, it is customary to light a candle or something at home or wherever you happen to be.
Anyone cool with letting me use their identity?
Poop corn
Is it legit? Does it help in better reflecting on the things you read?
>>24851462the dog track and EMT episode this season had me laughing my ass off but yeah overall it's way worse
>>24851409I don’t like seeing them old :(
>>24851402Buddhists always saw meditation as voiding your mind
>>24851581Well I'm not a Buddhist and I don't believe asceticism will free my eternal soul so I couldn't give a shit. Meditation has existed in the west independent from buddhism
>>24851386Yes because the modern media environment overstimulates
I just finished Harlot's Ghost by Norman Mailer. I don't know if his idea of Alpha and Omega is based on any real psychology, but out of all the philosophy and theology I've read, it's the only thing that makes sense. It has always felt like there are two different people in my mind fighting for control. I also agree with his description of narcissism. I've never been able to love or hate another person because I used it up on myself. When I read Stendhal, Dostoevsky and Nietzsche I thought there were some great ideas, but nothing like a profound revelation Mailer caused in me. Where should I go from here? I don't think novels are doing me much good. I would prefer to read something non-fiction. I already tried Plato, Aristotle, Lucretius, Schopenhauer, Kant and a bunch of Christian doctrine. I've avoided Frued because everything I heard sounded nonsensical. Is Jung any good? Or Epicurus? I've heard many interesting things about him. Would it be pointless after Lucretius? I feel like I'm wasting my life and need to discover my identity before I die. There's not enough time to read everything. I have no clue where to start with psychology and I'm not even sure it's any different than philosophy. Seems like the same thing under a different name. Science vs. metaphysics.
>>24848872You have to read Herman Hesse
>>24849019I always wanted to read Narcissus and Goldmund by Hesse and The Myth of Sisyphus by Camus. Would either of these help me? There are a million Greek and Roman poets I don't have time for. I still haven't gotten around to Virgil and Catullus. I also heard about a psychologist named Sherrington from an Aldous Huxley book on witch trials. Maybe worth reading? Or Huxley's (grand?)father? I heard about him in Proust's In Search of Lost Time. Seems like an important figure.
>>24849057crucial question here, how old are you
>>2485012025 and I'm not an inch closer to figuring anything out than when I was at 17. I know I'm lazy and stupid, but, God, have i tried. Most people don't even bother with philosophy, they already know their beliefs the moment they're born.
>>24848872what's so insightful about it?
Get the fuck in here faggots, it's autumn, it's Trakl time
>>24847953the twilight and autumnal forests are his most common motifs
>>24848309post your favourite
>>24843921The translations capture the original German version. While it's correct that muendens primarily use is about rivers, it is also commonly used metaphorically like in your translation
>>24850084Which English translation do you think are the best? Personally Daniel Simko's translation speaks to me but I am an ESL and don't know German
What do you guys think of Georg Heym?
Why hasn't he won the big one yet /lit/? He's more than deserving.
>>24847749You don't even know why you like it dipshit. No one with unironic bike-cuck psychology (as the book advocates) is a basket weaving forum user. Not even our trannys.You like it because you want to be seen as the sort of person who likes him.
>>24842420My Murakami > Your Murakami
>>24849253both Murakamis suck though. what a cursed surname
>>24848588Not the same anon, but he's just comfy. And it's ok to be comfy.
>>24842420>He's more than deserving>Russians holding the line against NATO>China advancing without ceding an inch to liberalism.>America embroiled in dysfunctional, postmodern Caesarism >only 30 years after history "ended"The only thing fukyomama is deserving of is a one-way plane ride back to nipstan.
