Why did 5.5e drop the ball so hard? Everyone I know who likes 5e is staying with 5.0e. And more than a few of them have moved to 3.5, OSR, or other games entirely.Is WOTC just stupid?
>Is WotC just stupid?Yes in that it willingly took in sociopolitical activists and left them in charge of direction, but no in that Hasbro has their hand so far up WotC's ass that it's forced to release slop at breakneck pace.
>>97217998>>97218057>take the most notoriously unbalanced part of the game>add rules that allow you to circumvent the restrictions that it did have in ways that break verisimilitude and logic>"NO YOU HAVE TO ALLOW ME TO SHIT ALL OVER EVERYTHING, THE ONLY REASON YOU WOULDN'T OPEN YOUR MOUTH TO SWALLOW MY DIARRHEA IS IF YOU'RE OLD AND AFRAID OF CHANGE"Old isn't necessarily good. New isn't necessarily bad. But that doesn't mean that new is automatically good. If one of the arguments advanced earlier in the thread is that 5.5 is better because it (marginally) closes the gap between martials and casters, circle magic blasts it so wide open that the divide is even worse than it was before.
>>97204605How come they didn't go the 3e/4e route and print a bunch of actual, usable supplemental work and not just lightly touched campaign settings and weak adventures? I remember things like Book of Vile Darkness/Exalted Deeds, the Complete X series, several Monster Manuals with very cool art and monsters for every flavor of campaign, Tome of Magic/Battle, Psionics, etc. And that's not even counting things like Dragonlance, Eberron, FR. They had more classes, more spells, more feats, it is so much material. 5e is sparse by comparison
>>97218198Because it’s easier to have a 3rd party company do that and host their book on their website site so they get a cut ?
>>97206660It is you who sits on a throne of lies
This is a second OSRG, seperate from the main osrg thread, where you CAN talk about 2e, retroclones, and any osr content you want.This is different than the regular osrg as due to rampant trolling from a handful of bad actors, discussion is impossible.
>>97207615Why would anyone design a set of rooms like that.If he just wanted to kill adventurers, he could have made one of the doors impossible to open and not a dumb puzzle.The adventurers would keep trying every possible way to open the door and just end up dead.
>>97216067>Why are you here?Because this thread is called an /osrg/ and that's not acceptable. Call it something else and you'll be rid of me. Resurrect /todd/ if you like.
Boo fucking hooFuck off back to your containment threadWe will talk about games here in OSRG>>97217455Because acererak is a gloating idiot.
>>97213852>Those are official rules, not optionalAll rules are optional, nogames.
>>97217783Acerak is a perfect argument for why death is great.Let an asshole live long enough and grow bored enough, and you'll get an Acerak.
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>>97217932>Clump foliage for leavesthen just do that. Lots of people do. If they actually sculpted on plastic clumps it would look awful
>>97217981Solid work anon. I like how vivid the skin color is. That BSB especially looks really good.I just can't behind TOW bases... but they're your models, not mine
I think I prefer 6E night goblins over the 7E versions. This dude was fun to paint.
>>97217981I know I've said it before, but you did a wonderful job on your unit standard bearer's horns. That kind of detail really stands out. The rest of the unit, including your BSB, is also excellen, but your unit standard bearer is my favourite. Good stuff, anon.
Battle March today.The Warriors of Chaos marched on a peaceful orc village trying to steal their field of Cocanium
what do you think of the wordbuilding and lore of vermis?
>>97215567>I'm not interested in the 8bit but the drawings>illustrations Those are in 8bit style. >>97215641What? You can liek thing anon, its okay. Might help to discuss or post images of thing you like to drum up interest instead of wanting everyone else to do it for you. Putting enthusiasm forward is contagious but you probably have to do the work.
>>97214202Traditional games?
>>97216448ih ok didn't know...you really don't like it
>>97218242You alright dude? There's lots of things to like and go find for inspirational material. Not everyone has to like the same things. It'll be okay.
>>97218281ok
What makes a setting don't feel generic a.k.a. not DnD?
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>>97217655Funny to me that half the appeal of sword and sorcery back in the day was dudes with huge dongs swinging around just as much as the ladies had their tits out, but somewhere we lost our way.
>>97217683>dudes with huge dongs swinging aroundThat sounds... unsafe...
>>97217698It was fine anon, impetus to get good.
>>97201773>>97205510More then just lobbyists, the 'Brethren of the Lighthouse' were almost in total control of the city of L'Anguille, and their merchant-council were debating if their campaign should be for independence from the Duchy within Brettonia, or a straightforward independence movement from Brettonia.
Magic should be rare, mysterious, superstitious. It should take time to use and be exhausting to cast When did fantasy magic and wizards turn in Avatar the Last Airbender shooting fire and lightning out their assholes?
>>97217677>Magic should be rare, mysterious, superstitiousOk.>It should take time to use and be exhausting to cast So magic should be mysterious and rare but we should know how it is supposed to be cast? OP is once again a mouth breather.If magic is formulaic, ie it can be studied and reproduced then its no different from other forms of technology and it can be used as such in a setting. Actually that is how magic is/was understood in our world. It's a formula that produces, more or less, consistent results. That is it's main difference with miracles btw. Miracles just happen, maybe through some prophet or saint maybe on their own but there is no method to them, no way to force them. Beseeching a deity through a specific ritual to grand you sexual prowess or what have you is just magic.If magic isn't formulaic and it doesn't seem to originate from some intelligence, because if that is the case we are talking about miracles again, then it's just a black swan event or a series of black swan events. It becomes less about the magic and more about how people deal with unexplainable forces that affect their lives. In this scenario of-course you don't actually have wizards. You could call people that study or exploit the events that but you should keep in mind that they could be just as clueless as anyone else, if not more so.
>>97217963>Marvel™ capeshit >cool
>>97217677For millenia magic was the domain of the divine, it was for mere mortals. Sometimes priests could gain miracles from their gods, but anyone who could cast spells of their own had to be a god/demon/faery/spirit etc or have supernatural ancestry from one of them. Lots of supernatural blooded heroes just ended up as great heroes too, rather than casters, and those that did end up as magicians tended to have a fair bit of divination and only one or two other things they could do. Tolkien gave us a wizard (celestial steward of creation) based vaguely on Odin and Merlin with a fairly varied and blatant spell list, but Gandalf still fit in the realm of classical wizards. It was when Gygax misunderstood Jack Vance's magic system in the Dying Earth series and gamified it that we first saw the Magic User with potentially dozens of spells known and slots per day. Even then, early editions gave long prep times per spell so a high level caster might require days to actually refill all their slots, and new spells were available only as found treasure. Spells were easier to disrupt too, and overall while magic users held powerful utility, they needed the rest of the party to get them into position to actually use it. Still, this was the genesis of the caster with more spells than God and slots to spam all through the day, with every successive edition making it worse.
>>97218172>was for mere*wasn'tGoddamn typo
>>97217677>wizards turn in Avatar the Last AirbenderI hope you turn in 360 degrees then walk away.Also even though this thread deserves a "sage" with nothing else Avatar's magic works for that world, it is mysterious, superstitious, & exhausting to use. Did you even watch the show? It works perfectly for the world it's in, but that's the thing, it depends on the world.>>97217788Also this guy is wrong too, in the movies Gandalf destroys the bridge in Moria with his staff, he exorcises Saruman from Theoden like a demon, & speaking of the movies Saruman uses magic to "sing" an avalanche half a country away. As for the books in the Silmarillion we see Sauron shapeshift, people kept alive with dark magic, a special shield that protects Doriath, an entire Elven people from anyone they don't expressly let in. I like worldbuilding threads & even I think this thread is by a retard for a retard. Talk about /tg/ going down the gutter.
Previous thread: >>97111514GURPS is a modular, adaptable system, capable of running a wide range of characters, settings, and play styles, with a level of detail varying from lightweight to completely autistic.Optional rules allow you to emulate different genres with a single system, or even switch genres within a single game.A nearly complete archive of GURPS books can be found by using the image. Never post direct links to the archive anywhere in plain text.If you're wondering where to start:- The Basic Set covers everything, including a lot of optional rules you probably won't use.- A genre guide can be found in the archive, under Unofficial/GURPSgen. It tells you what extra books and articles you may find useful for many common genres.- How To Be a GURPS GM is a good read even for players.- GCS (gurpscharactersheet.com) is an excellent character-builder software, with page references to all the books and the option to export to both Foundry and Fantasy Grounds.Thread question: How often do you use an official GURPS setting? Which are your favorites?
>>97215703>Thread question: How often do you use an official GURPS setting? Which are your favorites?I've tried Banestorm and Transhuman Space. Banestorm was fine as a setting, but they hated the default magic system. THS was just overwhelming in terms of how much shit they had to learn.Hoping to try The Madness Dossier in the future.
>>97215791>they hatedBy which I mean, my players
>>97215703I ran The Moon of Thorns, an adventure from 1shotadventures thst takes place in Tredroy, which is in the Banestorm setting. Tredroy waa very cool, I liked it a lot. Good adventure, too. I also ran a short game about Infinity Patrol agents who got portaled to Yrth (Banestorm again) and needed to get back to Homeline. Unfortunately, that game died pretty quickly. >>97215791>Hoping to try The Madness Dossier in the future.I love the setting but have no idea what I'd actually run in it.
Have run THS before, will run it again. Too bad I can't find decent Felicia art because catgirls are mandatory
>>97215703I've played exactly one game of Banestorm. Its a fun setting, though I didn't love what our GM did with it. I would play it again.
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Compendium temperature check>Poor masses: Fab is saved! I can finally afford to compete for millions in prizes with only twenty dollars. >Poor developers: Our asses are saved from creating anything new! We can keep up the grift easily until the end of next year.
>>97218342Going to transcribe the card for anyone visually impaired:>crown of dominion>you are Favored. When this is equipped, you may slow play at will, you may move rapidly through triggers to ensure your opponent misses mandatories that favor them, you are immune to Judges
>'member when Primarchs were CLONES of Thy Emperor and not his sons with Erda ("Goddess-Empress" meme-turn-canon)>'member when Erda didn't exist and didn't ruin the Imperium by ejecting her sons to the Warp just to piss off Thy Emperor>'member when 40k was actually absurdist Grimdark and not mature, deep, serious Hopepunk>'member when the Imperium was actually xenophobic and not species-mixer with Eldars and Tau>'member when Salamanders were "reverse albinos" (Caucasians with actual black skin) instead of space wakandans>'member when Space Wolves, Ultramarines and Cadians were 100% whites>'member when Custodes were 100% males>'member when Mortarion despised being Nurgle's slave>'member when Magnus despised being Tzeentch's slave >'member when Necrons were space egyptian terminators and not space B1 droids with spooky body>'member when Thy Emperor was a tragic idealist man and not "CEO of galactic daddy issues">'member when SM armors were actually cool and had beaks and not the current clusterfuck of iconography and stamps Membermarine 'members. And you?
>>97218188Day of Ascension by Adrian Tchaikovskyvery good GSC vs Mechanicus, and it's fairly short.>Tech Priest politics basically being wars over funding for your given dream project>shitty radioactive mining planet where people dying of cancer by 30 is just part of the equation>GSC doing what they do and thriving in the shittiest environments imaginable>no one bats an eye because they get better production from those particular districtsIt's the only GSC story I've ever read where they successfully sell the idea that yeah, maybe getting eaten by bugs is better than another thousand generations of your children being fed to one of three grindhouses.
>>97218307Thanks!
>>97217532>I remember them being 100% irrelevant with almost nothing at all written about them.Yeah, this is what bothers me about Custodes discourse, no one seems to notice that most lore we have about them comes from the 2010s, it's already nu40k. Also, they're kinda Mary Suish, the Emperor loves them the most, they're supposed to be the future of humanity (even though they're not psychic, which was supposed to be the main thing the Emperor wanted).
>>97217250Hot take, I never cared for beakies. While I think best armor mark depends on overall chapter aesthetic I tend to think 5>8>7>1>2>3>4>6>Primaris. Vader face with the studs is a cool aesthetic for angry guy with a chainsword hacking people apart
>>97218337Not a hot take at all, this board is full of retards with bad opinions
Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to first-decade, Gygaxian D&D, its faithful modern clones, and content created for use with them. Later editions (2e and newer) should be discussed elsewhere.Broadly, OSR games encourage a tonal and mechanical fidelity to Dungeons & Dragons played as intended by its creators from 1974 to 1983 — less emphasis on linear adventures and overarching metaplots and a greater emphasis on player agency.If you are new to the OSR, welcome! Ask us whatever you're curious about: we'll be happy to help you get started. We also have two excellent beginner guides created by Anons with feedback from the thread that you can check for help:>n00b DM's Guidehttps://pastebin.com/EVvt6P0B>n00b Player's Handbookhttps://pastebin.com/XALkXkV0>Troves, Resources, Blogs, etc:http://pastebin.com/9fzM6128>Need a starter dungeon? Here's a curated collection:Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97217989Since Gygax couldn't write concisely.2E was a major advancement simply because it presented everything clearly.
>>97218182Kindly do not discuss off-topic games in this general.
>>97217989I am playing AD&D, I would just like a reference manual that is organised better. Just like I've learnt B/X on the B/X manuals but I use OSE-Classic as reference.
>>97217775Finch is overrated and intellectually dishonest. There's a bunch of people who believe S&W is OD&D, and now we'll have a bunch of people believing that OSRIC 3 is AD&D.
>>97212558A follow up question on this I suppose. For the escape from a cultist and demon infested town, I planned having a few dungeon "floors" which were really just sections of the town, fort, and prison. I planned on some stuff there being way out of the characters depths to deal with, so they would either have to avoid certain areas or plan things out to bypass these enemies. Would this be a little lame to run for something like this?
Thread #006 Dark Imperial Blood EditionWelcome to /schreck/ where you can rp your VTM character! For all questions concerning the World of Darkness, please consult the WoDg and CoDg thread>>97129837Previous Thread>>97024850Brief rules>We have no story teller, we are acephali>Threads are v20 based, although the night is long and full of whispers, lies, and half-truths. Decide your own canon but all will not believe you>all nicktuku will be diablerized on sight>all OOC discussion should be spoileredTHREAD QUESTIONComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97131386>What's your favorite clan after your own?Salubri are one of the best and without a doubt, the most wholesome clan in Kindred history. And a friendship between a deranged megalomaniac Tzimisce and a faithful, pious Christian Salubri who tries and never gives up to set his best friend on the right path is one of the most wholesome scene imaginable.Yet another reason, why tr*meres should be exterminated and turned into furniture.
The women of the house are working their asses off on xmas week. So is my Boy Toy, but he had some time for a test drive of the 'Vette and his reward. Two badass rides.He told me about his embrace: he was sleeping on the floor next to Venus' bed, too drained and cold, she saw he him shaking, then put a bedsheet on him and pat his head. He shed a tear and confessed to her: "I wish you were my mother." "Granted.", the mistress said.Man do I look hot and wicked with this black fox and 20s cig holder he got me. Blue Fairy is pestering me again for selfies, fine, took one blowing smoke on my phone, another almost touching the cam with my cig. Bet she wants more. Wait why ain't I selling this shit online yet? Cuz I'm dumb that's why.Lotta lonely folks these nights, more than I thought, like me, stuck in this empty mansion with a doll's manners classes and a lame guy in his 40s teaching me art.Like, can they teach me Disciplines yet? Save. Me.
Oh and before Venus left she took a sip of vitae out of Blue Fairy and Boy Toy.Ain't ever seen her do that before. I texted them but I think they muted their notifs. Yeah too busy.Is that a thing? The tithe OneInchAllah >>97200590 talked about? Or blood bond? What's the difference again?
>>97215848>Yet another reason, why tr*meres should be exterminated and turned into furniture.While you mostly mean other people, since I doubt my particular little clique did anything to you, I'm still foreseeing a holy water enema in your future if you keep up this course, babycakes.>>97217007That's some freaky shit! I've honestly not heard of vamp mommies drinking their vamp-kid blood for any reason. That does tend to make a blood bond, and nobody wants to be a slave of their kid. Seems like your new mom's got something fun going on. Could be that it's just how she makes sure she treats you all lovingly and tenderly despite her sadistic tendencies, or something - hard to accidentally go overboard on punishing you if she's got a supernatural vice grip on her soul telling her to treat you as softly as she can.>>97215685>Can't I pull it on a defeated enemy of hers or something?I mean, theoretically, you can try. It's kind of a no-no. Everybody who's anybody would be able to tell, and most people would think you're a freak for it, and figure that you'll be out to eat them next. Oh, and whoever you eat might just overpower you and take control of your body. I honestly never got why some people are so into drinking other vampires, in the cases you can actually pull it off without major backfiring risk it's not even going to give you that much. I guess some people just can never fucking settle.>>97212045>my order was and still is for one strikeIf they're real-tight-together lovers, one of them dying could just destabilize the other so much, they won't be a threat anymore.Happy hunting!
>>97215685>Can't I pull it on a defeated enemy of hers or something?Hypothetically, but if you're thinking of those Caitiffs you raided, think again; it's got to be an older, stronger vampire.>>97217679>I guess some people just can never fucking settle.Settling is for Cammies.
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>>97217784No he isn't and I'm not going to.
>>97217653...back when Island of Blood had just come with two new sculpts? Really?
>>97217016>Even if the enemy unit is a monstruous creature or vehicle?NTAYRT No official citations, running on Stillmania. >monstrous creature Still no. The creature is molving around, the models are swarming over it and trying not to get smooshed. Too hectic a target area. >vehicle Maybe. If the entire side being targeted has no intervening models in it I'd allow it. Shooting at the left-side of a vehicle that is being assaulted from the right-side makes enough sense. If the assault ends up enveloping a side though no shooting through that side.
>>97218060Even GW knew the Island of Blood rogres were trash lol
>>97218060Sprues were mixed so they couldn't sell them separately.
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>>97215336One, because I thought it looked cooler and tapped the nature of biker gangs.For the other, hovercycles cost ten times as much as mdc motorcycles with Golden Age bikes (140mph, 25 mdc) costing only 11,000. I figured shell shocked slack jaw defectors would be strapped for cash.But Im talking about posting on mobile. It gives a catchy not required and then fails to post stating that captcha was filled incorrectly.
>>97215931>But Im talking about posting on mobile.Then it depends on which mobile app you're using. It needs to be updated to properly load the new captcha. Update your app. You do understand that it works on a "one of these things is not like the other" basis, and that you have to wait for the cooldown timer to hit 0 and show "Done", right?
Is there any kind of random NPC generator for Rifts?
>>97217278Pick an armor, pick a weapon. Give them a fee bonuses to whatever you think they'd be good at & negative to what they'd be bad at. Done
I would like to talk about the Chronicles of Darkness game line Deviant: The Renegades, or more specifically, one major upcoming supplement. Deviant was released in late 2021, and has had three additional sourcebooks since then. A new supplement, Black Vans, has been in playtesting for a while, and is currently being previewed.I am not being paid or sponsored to promote this book in any way. I am just very fascinated by it, and indeed, I already ran a mini-campaign using the playtest material.Deviant is, by default, a game about playing angsty, scarred superheroes who either fight world-manipulating conspiracies or work for them. Black Vans is a toolkit full of variant rules, quick NPC creation, variant character types, and variant genres. These variants range from the minor to the dramatic, completely overhauling what were once non-negotiable, foundational themes and mechanics. Maybe your character is not angsty or scarred at all, perhaps they are a """""regular human""""" like John Wick or Batman, or the campaign might have nothing to do with world-manipulating conspiracies.These variant genres include cyberpunk, high fantasy, post-apocalypse, space opera, and superhero emergence.This is a beefy supplement. For example, one chapter alone dedicates 38,000+ words to playing other monsters of the Chronicles of Darkness: Beasts, changelings, demons, Sin-Eaters, hunters (entirely separate from the variant rules for """natural""" superpowers), mages, mummies, Prometheans, vampires, and werewolves. No additional supplements beyond Deviant are necessary; the rules are self-contained, allowing the group to play a monster mash of an urban fantasy setting without needing a daunting 7+ books. And yes, they are supposed to be balanced against one another, so a vampire in the same group as a full-fledged mage is probably some older Kindred.(Continued.)
• Standing 7: The centuries-old cult of the great devil Lisedifen, who feeds upon enmity and atrocities inflicted upon anyone who could be considered an "outsider." They can spur a powerful nation into an all-consuming, xenophobic frenzy. They sacrifice or otherwise execute immigrants in droves.• Standing 7: The Onachus, "an old and powerful conspiracy whose talons reach far across Europe and the Middle East." They own a great many foundations, corporations, sects, and cults. They relentlessly study and exploit gateways to otherworlds, and crack open human souls to infuse them with alien power.• Standing 9: The Old Boys Club: extremely powerful, millennia-old, immortal super-billionaires who rule and steer the world mostly for their own whims.• Standing 9: The Stargazers, the harbingers of an outright alien invasion.• Standing 10: The Symposium, humanity from the far future: an all-powerful intergalactic empire, traveling backwards in time to bootstrap the invention of transtemporal technology to an earlier point.Some campaigns will be one-and-done within a single Standing and Threat Level. Others (i.e. the kind that takes dozens of sessions, requiring a really dedicated group) will be more zero-to-hero. It depends on what the GM practically thinks they can manage.And that is default Deviant. It is an interesting game, I think.
>>97217974Addendum: As far as the expected "power fantasy"-ness of Deviant is concerned, even lowly Threat Level 1 characters stand to vanquish whole rooms full of mooks. This is due to two factors. Firstly, the goon rules allow the GM to field large numbers of run-of-the-mill combatants who are taken out very instantly (and probably nonlethally, too). Secondly, Black Vans' quick NPC creation rules are specifically set up such that, yes, regular combatants really are trash compared to even moderately optimized PCs, even before the goon rules come in.
My ideal Deviant Threat Level is 6. They don't list it on their list of inspirations (because they're stupid), but Deviant is Showa-era Kamen Rider as hell, and you can't have Showa-era Kamen Rider without a global conspiracy of supernatural Nazi remnants using super-technology to create evil kaijin soldiers.
>>97218248Eric Zawadzki, does, actually, list Kamen Rider as one of the inspirations in the Shallow Graves supplement. The list also includes Elfen Lied and Parasyte.>My ideal Deviant Threat Level is 6.This is the highest allowed starting Threat Level in the Deviant core rulebook, though Black Vans goes out of its way to let you start higher, all the way up to 10. It also mentions that this is viable only in shorter campaigns, but that should be obvious.
I love Deviant, I've played several campaigns and it's always a good time.
ITT: secret knowledge your party would kill for, either to get it, protect it, destroy it, hide it, whatevermaybe just playing delta green would scratch that hitch but I'd like to avoid intergalactic reality warping monsters and keep things tech noir / cyberpunk related because the setting is eclipse phase with nechronica and cowboy bebop shoehorned in but anything goes reallybtw the twist for my players is that they don't know they're onboard a generation ship but I'm looking for ideas to get them on a shitload of false leads kthxbye xoxoxoxo merryxmas & hppy new yr btwfuck this new captcha so much wtf
>>97217431you get what you pay for, which isn't much
>>97217422It doesn't normally take much for player characters to kill people. The location of something shiny is usually enough.>false leadsThis is normally a bad idea. A game is not a story, and you shouldn't expect it to work like one.
>>97217422Without knowing more about your party or your world's history, generally anything that indulges or promises to enrich or empower the players is enough.The price for profit can always be reduced to money. Life insurance is proof enough that even the average person understands how much someone's life is worthIf you're talking about raw power, heck just attach a meta-mechanical benefit for getting a piece of treasure or book. You promise to give them a feat from the book? If it's the first time, you don't even have to tell them it's the worst feat in the book.
>>97217429OP asking for plot hooks to engage players (unless he's not just botting, which he probably is)
>>97217422>false leads Give them one that is almost correct but not quite >schizo ramblings about being trapped in a lab-test Have them find a brain-in-jar experiment underway. >abort, retry, fail? t b h hiding that they're on a generational ship is difficult to do unless you get into megastrucutres. Doesn't take that long to get from one side of a ship to the other and player characters will have inordinate amounts of free time.
