>>25185445
This is probably the first post that ever made me consider Bakker’s books. Added to my cart

>>25187879
I also love being mentally ill

>>25185992
Kek hadn’t read this one in a while

>>25187789
>Could you reiterate what this reply is meaning to clarify,

Bakker takes the Platonic distinction between 'truth' and 'opinion', and gives instead a trichotomy:
1. social conventions ("speaking oil")
2. powerful shit of natural / non-social origins (also, answering the Euthyphro dilemma)
3. actual cosmic-horror shit ('truth'), that keeps undermining and mind-boggling you the more deeper you look


>>25185866
>"People do things and they dont even know why". Gee really? Science to this day has no idea why the universe exists,
You don't need to know why the universe exists to miscue/exploit human heuristics. Science is very powerful, however.

>>25187784
>Just like how he tells you that Esmenet is smart because every character says that
Esmenet in her POV gives, for example, a master-vs-slave-morality character-analysis on Sarcellus and Achamian straight from Nietzsche's "Genealogy of Morals" (albeit, mistakenly, because Sarcellus is actually a skin-spy):

" Those first days after her rescue, Sarcellus had seemed utterly unfathomable to her. Though his anger was violent, expressed with the ardour of a child’s tantrum and the conviction of a prophet’s condemnation, he never begrudged those who angered him. Though he approached every obstacle as something to be crushed, even the inconsequential snags that filled his day-to-day administrative life, he was graceful rather than crude in his methods. Though his arrogance was feckless, he was never threatened by criticism and more able than most to laugh at his own folly.

The man had seemed a paradox, at once reprehensible and beguiling. But then she realized: he was *kjineta*, a caste-noble. Where *suthenti*, caste-menials like herself and Achamian, feared others, themselves, seasons, famines, and so on, Sarcellus feared only particulars: that so-and-so might say such-and-such, that the rain might postpone the hunt. And this, she understood, changed everything. Achamian was perhaps every bit as temperamental as Sarcellus, but fear made his anger bitter, liable to spite and resentment. He could also be arrogant, but because of fear, it seemed shrill instead of reassuring, and it certainly did not brook contradiction. Sheltered by his caste, Sarcellus had not, as the impoverished must, made fear the pivot of his passions. As a result he possessed an immovable self-assurance. He felt. He acted. He judged. The fear of being wrong that so characterized Achamian simply did not exist for Cutias Sarcellus. Where Achamian was ignorant of the answers, Sarcellus was ignorant of the questions. No certitude, she thought, could be greater. "

>>25187687
>The closest I've gotten was Roth.
Probably because you have read fewer than 50 books in your adult life

>>25187695
Tweezerman

>>25187697
Better Roth than pynchon

I don't even know what the hell European style is supposed to mean. French, German, Russian and English literature are quite stylistically different.

>>25187687
henry james?

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Is Familia Romana a good place to start?
(I know it has probably been asked many times)

>>25187717
Yes. You’ll do great. For the love of all that is good please use the familia Romana companion unless you have a lot of prior experience with language learning, tolerance for ambiguity, and are willing to promise to fix your own problems instead of coming back here a few chapters in complaining that you don’t get it.

That plus a lot of independence and looking stuff up as you go.

>>25187717
Yes but I think you should supplement with a full autism grammar like A&G.

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>>25187719
>>25187726
Thanks. I got this companion. We'll see how it goes before having to go into serious textbook materials.

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>>25187445
τί δὴ νῦν νοοῦσιν οἱ λατινισταί;

>>25175603
It's hard for me to justify subscribing to them. I'd rather spend the money on a book instead. At least it'll last longer and you know it'll be good. I like the idea of keeping up with literary culture though

i just read lit. why tf woud i read a retard's interpretation

>>25186759
you don't have to read magazines with criticism, and you don't have to read the criticism sections of the magazines that do have it. you can read new stuff :D

>>25186759
The whole thread has been discussing fiction and poetry in magazines.

>>25175603
>Granta
Never read the magazine but their "Best of Young British Novelists" has a crazy good track record. Is the magazine worth reading? Don't know if I want to subscribe to it, but I might if it's worth it

>>25187273
me too. It's not that impressive anon. It just means you picked up the nihilism that filtered down in the culture from schop in your formative years. Wisdom is realizing you know nothing without he accrued knowledge of the past.

>>25186146
Camus is a very normie philosopher, though.
>>25187346
Hehe le cat is le long

>>25187384
>it's not that impressive anon
It is and I am most impressive! I am schopenhauer jr lol.

>>25187339
By who? Psychology is for retarded pseuds and stupid women.

Just need a catgirl tranny fascist dancing in the background with Deleuze above them

>>25186126
Philosophers are but failed novelists

Homosexual predditor thread

from what i remember 372 pages is pretty obnoxious. they had the "okay... whatever THAT means. what is the author even trying to say here?" syndrome where you dont actually try to understand what the author is saying, even after you ask that. not enough time in the day for podcasts about reading when you could just be reading

>>25187731
These are the books they've covered: https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/135754.372_Pages_We_ll_Never_Get_Back

>>25187915
from what i remember of the ready player one episodes they didn't give the author any grace

>>25187198
Fixing:
>therefore the cause must also move, and eternally; and this cause Aristotle identifies it as the concentric spheres of the supralunary world
I wrote "must also move ITSELF". No (at least not in a sense, but yes in another).

Also, the Unmoved Mover can't be the efficient cause because the concentric spheres are moving in circular motion because of its matter AND soul.

The efficient cause of elemental motion is its cause of coming-to-be; and aether doesn't have such thing.

The relation between an element such as aether and the soul of beings made of aether are really tricky. Looks like they have the capacity for perfect motion because they are made of aether, but such motion is only possible if there is also a soul that contemplates the ultimate good. For this reason, the stars are said to have accidental motion (for they don't have soul (or their soul doesn't contemplate the ultimate good, i don't know), yet they are made of aether and are able to perform perfect motion only accidentally because the concentric spheres move them).

>>25187198
There is a difference between a substance being eternal and motion being eternal that you are not considering. The two are not related to each other as Aristotle spells it out.

First, motion involves a relation between two substances which causes a change, specifically an agent substance acting on a patient substance. The efficient cause would be the agent substance soliciting the effect in the patient substance. Furthermore, Aristotle argues in Physics VIII that motion has to be eternal NOT because there must always be a cause, but rather because to say that motion is NOT eternal would require a motion (a change from rest to activity, potentiality into actuality) for motion to be brought into existence, which is a paradox.

Moving forward, if motion is eternal, then that means that you always have this relationship of agent substance and patient substance that is ongoing in the cosmos. Aristotle rejects self-motion in the Physics as well, so we need two objects. Even if the cosmos could be simplified to a simple Newton's cradle of two objects "taking turns" being the agent, we would need this mutual pendulum action to go on forever, because you would need for there to always be an agent and patient dynamic to satisfy the requirement of eternal motion.

Thus, we would need an infinite chain of efficient causes.

To comment on your interpretation of the scheme, I don't understand how anything is enabled to move without infinite efficient causes besides what you appear to be implying was some kind of spontaneous self-movement that initiated everything, since the Unmoved Mover isn't efficiently causing anything to move.

Alternatively, we could understand "no beginning", "eternal motion", and "infinite efficient causes" as all being semantically equivalent. Since you could say that that pattern of agent-patient relationship that I am breaking down motion into as always existing in the heavens and sublunary world.

>>25187251
Also, so I can make the case perfectly clear, the Unmoved Mover does not need any explanation that refers to efficient causes, since it always was and never had potentiality. But everything else is fair game for the question "What is its efficient cause?". One could say that the cosmos as a whole never needed an efficient cause as its constituent elements were always there. But matter isn't a substance, and the individual substances of a cosmos would all have potentiality and thus need an explanation of efficient cause (which we could posit to both be infinite and eternal without contradiction, especially since the system as a whole is eternal). We would have essentially broken down Aristotle's cosmos into a part with pure act, the Unmoved Mover which does not efficiently cause anything, and a part that allows for potentiality, which has infinite efficient causes, both which are eternal but where the enmattered cosmos is necessarily subordinated to the Unmoved Mover for its final cause.

>>25186065
Individuation is difference.

>>25187889
Difference is act which is form. But there is the famous passage you are thinking of in which he says two individuals (Callias and Socrates) are one in form and two in matter. The problem with your reading is that it is Platonic - there is an actual form or idea common to the two individuals, and difference is due to matter on an ontological level. (This would be drawing on unwritten teachings of course). But one of Aristotle's main theses is that there is no such common 'something' to individuals. Also, Aristotle says in several places, including in that same book, that individuals have their own particular form. How is it individuated by matter if it is also individuated by its form? The problem here is the systematic ambiguity of Aristotle's language. Form can refer to the intelligibility of a thing, which really is common to multiple individuals but is not any separate entity, and really is individuated by 'matter'. These two hammers have the same form and different matters. But can also refer to a thing's actuality, which is particular. You can find abundant instances of both throughout the corpus. This is the only way to make sense of all of the apparently contradictory things Aristotle says about these issues and it is also philosophically sound. Your reading turns into the view the Metaphysics is aimed at overthrowing.

As promised:
https://rentry.co/lwcMar2026_Critiques_by_ineptia
(I’ll do the late “Pelagic Spine” submission later on.)

>>25183867
>I remembered about the competition in time to participate and it so happens that it's the 1 year anniversary of my last entry.
When all calendars are contraband, and nobody can tell what month it is, the whole world will rely soley on your appearance to herald spring, DollFucker.

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~Requirements~

Character: Has a body mod (body modification).

Theme: Invisibility.

>[Countdown to submission deadline]
https://countingdownto.com/?c=7011492

>>25184958
Finally, a place for my premise of an invisible rapist to shine! And would you guess what the body mod will be...? Hehe

63 hours remain.

52.

>>25187397
He was pretty handsome, tall, witty, and athletic (he played football throughout his life); as well as le deep and edgy. He was also a womaniser and serial cheater who was emotionally cruel to his women. He was basically everything a girl seeks in a man.

>>25187397
>back then
Houellebecq is still doing it today bro

>>25187397
There's women for every niche, they hunt the dick down like truffle pigs

>>25187742
>Houellebecq is still doing it today bro

isn't Houellebecq's whole thing being incredibly bad with women?

>>25187476
almost but not quite, women are attracted to competence ie outward proofs of intelligence. camus pulled not just because he was intelligent, but because many, many other people saw him as intelligent/a good writer. the competence boost is extremely real

>>25185600
>my feeling has always been that /lit/ is full of
>academics
Lmfao

>>25185600
Even the best posters here are nowhere near academic level. Honors undergrad at best. There used to be a few academic posters but they’ve been gone for years.

>>25185600
>/lit/ is full of male academics
absolutely the fuck not, /lit/ is full of lopsidedly-read autists. neither is /lit/ full with people who have equivalent academic-level knowledge. it is filled with people who both think academia is retarded and think they have that level of comprehension, which is funny to watch. VERY rarely you'll find someone who has deep knowledge of one writer/field of literature, but cranks, schizos, and shitposters outnumber them 25:1

>>25186766
only people who've been in academia think about academia at all. in fact, it's a solipsism characteristic of academics to imagine that not only do non-academics waste a single tired brain cell on academia but that they regard it with the same fear and loathing that an academic does. only an academic can be simultaneously so self-important and yet so provincial.

>>25187796
generally speaking I think you're right, but there's a common type of resentful /lit/ poster who feels insecure about the fact that they're not an academic and reacts by attacking academia with /pol/ buzzwords even when it's not at all relevant to the conversation/idea being discussed

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>>25187409
I'm pretty sure it is.
I mean, I've seen it before.

>>25187465
Ubik

>>25187465
Infinite Jest’s characters were about as frustrating as this, so that.

>>25187409
it's a semi-regular thing, idea's been around for a while. search the archives for hundreds like it

>>25187395
Meditationes de Prima Philosophia

>>25187807
I shan't.

>>25187815
I don't care what you do, I'm just telling you what you should do.

>>25186051
There's 8 billion people. For any single thing a person can do, someone else has probably done it, usually many people, and if you hate that person for it, you automatically hate all the other people in that group.
The stupid lazy (but in reality tribal) part which I don't subscribe to is if there are other things that the group shares and you start hating anyone who has any of those traits, sometimes even to the detriment of the original reason.
If you hate black people because they rob, that's fine, if you hate them because they're black, that means you hate black people who don't rob, and are okay with white people who rob, and you are the plague of society.

How to step in the same river twice:
1) Step in the river.
2) Step out of the river.
3) Repeat step 1.

>>25187901
But that's not the same river and you're not the same you anymore

>>25180627
All great works of literature are objectively chud-like. Without any exceptions. If you don’t agree with that, you. do. not. engage. with. real. literature. on. any. level

>>25180651
wtf are you talking about, you would consider most great authors chuds by default

>>25183767
how does one not come to the conclusion as they age that leftism is inherently retarded?

>>25186919
Not even close to true. Most people calling themselves an incel could get laid if they weren’t their own worst enemy.

>>25186889
I'm not even a tranny lmfao you people are so funny. Do you see trannies under your bed at night? Hiding in the closet when you're trying to sleep?

>>25186850
It's a misunderstanding that poems are written in lines. They're written in sentences and the line breaks are there to denote the meter. It's meter that determines how the sentence is constructed, but when modern poetry dropped punctuation while retaining line breaks, each line became its own phrase or image.
In this context, the enjambment technique became more versatile in that it allows you to split sentences across two lines for added effect. Because there's no punctuation to signify it, the continuity between the lines when a sentence is arbitrarily separated by a line break is eroded. The second line becomes its own phrase or image while also grammatically completing the sentence, creating a surprising effect with little effort.
It's a lazy way of creating double meanings, but you should still play with it because it's easy. Another example is anaphora, which you can say it sound fancy, but it just means starting several lines with the same words. It begins to sound like a chant and any idiot can write something cool.

If poetry was the best form of art, then even shit poetry would still be a bit good. And it is NOT.

>>25186817
Do you like this? This is a favourite of mine. Lawrence Ferlinghetti was a giga-hippie beatnik, and I guess the verse could be slightly freer and some faggot purist might come along and find a rhyme and disrespect me, but I think this poem is awesome.

https://poets.org/poem/world-beautiful-place

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>>25186901
>competent literary fiction two notches above poetry
gigatarded

>>25187895
If he means poetry in general, yes. If he means poetry that constitutes Milton, Shakespeare, Dante, Homer, Hölderlin, Blake. Then he can kill himself.
But again, what did he even mean by competent literary fiction? >>25186901 (YOU), elaborate.

>>25184907
If that's what thou callest art,
A concerto is my fart.

>>25187447
Genesis

Ecclesiastes for OT and Revelation for NT

>>25187447
Ecclesiastes