What do you do with disengaged players? My group has a couple of games a week. When I run, they seem totally uninterested in NPCs or any plot that does not directly involve them or their backstory. If another player has a plotline happening they only put in the minimum and don't talk to any characters. The group has been on a ship travelling with a group of five Marines for almost a year now. Those marines have had arcs and stories, and the players couldn't name one. The paladin couldn't even point to the one his kid brother had a crush on and constantly followed around on the ship. As a player it's worse. The other GM has noticed much the same, saying I am the only one engaging, but I talk and roleplay with the group and do everything from revealing major secrets about big players in the story to saying we might have to kill the wizard and they don't react in any noticable way. I'm out of ideas, what can I do here?
>>96644324No, the pic invents categories that affirm your preconceptions so that you don't have to think very hard and feel good while doing it. It's not helpful, because it's not appealing to anything real. It's just appealing to your biases. Which are about you, not your players. So learn social skills, instead, if you want to be effective in social situations. On which quite a lot of scientific and reproducible research has been performed.
>>96644352There are scientific studies on levels of player investment into ttrpgs? No? Then the pic stands as the most prolific treatise on the topic
>>96644389Your ignorance is your problem, not mine. Wanna believe that an issue of Cosmo can tell you which of the ten types of boyfriends make the best husband? Get together with your girlfriends at a sleepover, and run craig and jack through the quiz. You'll learn nothing but hey: maybe you'll come out of it with a perm.
>>96644223I blame the spoiled self worshipping first world society we live in that causes people to have a wanton disregard for other people’s time. If you doubt it ask yourself when the last time someone showed up to a meeting with you 10 minutes early. Social, work, otherwise. I can’t name one. People will just cancel on a whim nowadays and whine about how no one wants to dm.
>>96638408>The group has been on a ship travelling with a group of five Marines for almost a year nowThey're bored as fuck with the "story" you're telling them and are only showing up because they are your friends and want to hang out. Scrap the entire thing, put them in front of a megadungeon, and stop trying to write a novel instead of PLAYING A GAME>The paladin couldn't even point to the one his kid brother had a crush on and constantly followed around on the ship. I really hope that kid brother isn't a fucking NPC who has a crush on another NPC lmao you seriously think your players give a shit about any of this? You can write fanfic on your own time
>Previous thread:>>96608724>What is /awg/?A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre, let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.>Examples of games that qualify.A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,Deadzone, Dropfleet and Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Gaslands, Judge Dredd, HeroClix,Kings of War, Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,Oathmark, OnePageRules, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam, Stargrave, Sludge, Urban War, Void, Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenotactics......and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96643817Bolt Action is a great and fun game, if you play 2nd edition. 3rd edition was completely unnecessary but for some reason they made it anyways as a GWesque cash grab and its decidedly worse than BA 2e
>>96636907 hereTo the guy who suggested xenos rampant. Thanks. I'll admit I went for it first because it has the word "xenos" in it, which is a word used a lot in 40k lore, but it's aspect of supporting many different genres of science fiction may be why I'm feeling a liking for it.Not that I'm throwing away grimdark future also thanks for suggesting that. I need to give that a read now.Thanks /awg/. I'm feelin' it.
>>96644291If you don't mind explaining, what makes 3rd worse than 2nd from a gameplay perspective?I just picked up a second edition rulebook from ebay, so I've got that nailed down, I'm just curious to know what I'm missing.>>96644315You're welcome anon, happy to have helped.
>>96644315OPR is in flux one now, as the 3.5 beta is ongoing. Xenos rampant was more of a one-and-done thing. There was a faq which clarified some issues and I've heard some people play it with chit activation, which sounds interesting. I've used the 12/6 attack dice split now that I've been playing with my son, but I have mixed emotions about it. On one hand it makes the game faster and deadlier, on the other it kind of flattens the difference between elite and super heavy infantry, especially if the opponent brings a lot of heavy weapon upgrades on their units.
>>96644193its games workshop 40k slop so no its not
New Space Kinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFgU_Rtta2w
>>96638795The sweatshirts are genuinely high quality, the shirts probably are too.>t. bought one from the last wave
>>96640640that's the fucking point you retard.every nerd hobby has been degraded because trying too hard to be inclusive of foids who don't actually care about the hobbyExplicitly stating "no girls allowed" is a breath of fresh air.FUCK OFF MINDY
>>96644143Man you are going to be pissed when the Not!Sororita or Tomboy shows up next episode.
>>96632402>peloOnly on SPOOKY MONTH and to do moky christmas. shame i miss his videos.Speedoru is still around i guess,if you count smiling friends that's 4 in total.Sad days.
>>96644207NTA, they've already said there won't be any sisters of battle equivalents.
Previous OP put crypto miners in the links EDITION.>Previous Thread>>96615497>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>WoD5 Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>STV content foldersComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96644330>crypto minersSeriously?
>>96644345>Broooo just click my trolled links, nothing will happen just trust me bro xDDDD
>>96644345no, the previous op did vandalize the links, but they didn't redirect to anything malicious, they just went nowherefor the mega links they still try to go to the original source, but he changed the password part of the link. for it to be malicious he'd have had to change the address parthe told you the wrong password to get into the clubhouse, he didn't give you a false address to the clubhouse so he could mug you in a dark alley
>>96644369And why would someone vandalize the links? And why would you trust them about not injecting some weird shit there?
>>96644404>why would someone vandalize the links?either he's a troll having a laugh or he works for paradox and is trying to take down our easy access to their pirated content>why would you trust them about not injecting some weird shit there?because I'm technologically literate and can see what he did and I know that he couldn't have done anything malicious?to use everyone's favorite, food analogies, since my secret club analogy from the last post didn't stick with you, imagine you're at the store and you're buying a box of whatever food. you notice someone has taken a sharpie and written "penis" on it. there's no sign that anything else has been done to it, it's still sealed airtight. you're assuming that the person who wrote penis on the box also opened the box up and put some rat poison in there, even though it's still wrapped in plastic and clearly hasn't been opened up.
"I try to create a lot of situations in which the player has to face small but crucial choices. My device is 'one good for one evil'. What I mean is that, if the player can choose something really good for him now, this must create a weakness for him on another aspect of the game."Previous: >>96611224Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/h8Tz2ze8Survey results: https://pastebin.com/YJPZ44rqThis general encompasses all board game genres - Eurogames, Ameritrash, Ameritreasure, Fillers, Party, Abstracts, Wargames, and especially the game that one anon is autistic about at this very moment.TQs:- Which designers got better with age and which ones got worse? - What component would you like to see more in games?- What's the genre you like the most and the one you like the least?Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96642203Redditors do from what I've seen on their forums. I can't help but imagine a nu-male looking guy sitting in front of a crying child, forcing them to play while explaining the multiple factions while another kid cheerfully chews on the pieces.
>>96641441Have you tried Kemet? That sounds right up your alley.
>>96632852>GoA2I've found it's much better at the 6 player + category. We played a 10 player game at the last con I attended, and it was incredibly satisfying on the 2 lane map. I would also be cognizant of everyone's experience levels with MOBAs and choose teams accordingly. I've played it maybe 6-7 times now, and I always try to self balance the teams ahead of time to keep things close.
>AP Hell: The GameI swear Five Tribes was designed to induce the most arresting kind of AP limbo. It features enough complexity and clarity to make you think that the best possible turn is within your grasp, that if you think just a little bit longer about it, you will get there. But you will never get there. You're trapped. You are trapped staring at meeple vomit.
>>96644283why do people even get AP? it's a completely self-induced phenomenon. just play the game lol it's not that serious.
Evil races be like:>skin color: black / grey or just something dark>eye color: red or white >teeth: always showing and mouth never closed>body: either muscluar or covered in spikeswhy do most people do them like this anyways? if you want evil races just look at humans as they dont look like that yet are capable of some really fucked up things lol
>>96643860its not even cool just retarded and forced
>>96643678Traditional games?
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>>96643898I honestly pity you for being too far up your ass to enjoy things.
>>96644189>dude, you're a pretentious fuckwit if you're not like me, and enjoy the same exact thing cynically shat out over and over with no creativity or divergence
Get yer pen out edition.Previously on /slop/: >>96612096 ▶ Thread Task: Pictures based on quotes, quotes on pictures, famous plays, movies, books. Hell throw some philosophy in there.▶ It's been confirmed images are not saved on Microsoft's servers forever, only for 50 days. Make sure to save your images.>▶ Generators>https://bing.com/images/create/>https://designer.microsoft.com/image-creator>https://huggingface.co/spaces/black-forest-labs/FLUX.1-schnell>https://huggingface.co/spaces/black-forest-labs/FLUX.1-dev>https://fluxpro.art/>https://replicate.com/black-forest-labs/flux-dev>https://huggingface.co/spaces/multimodalart/stable-cascade>https://huggingface.co/spaces/google/sdxl>https://clipdrop.co/stable-diffusion>https://www.mage.space/Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96644104Oh also as a fun note. If you add gold necklace and chains to a prompt you will have a decent chance at making the character black. Wonder why that is.
>>96644157There's a joke in my country that goes like that:>What's the difference between a black man and a tire?>When you put chains on a tire, it won't start rapping.
>Emogoatposting
Second Council of Nicaea EditionPrevious thread:>>96506341>Thread Question:Has any non-military historical event inspired you to start a new army or get into a new game?>Community Summary of Wargames:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11JoUpGIRDp5DZdgJ24rijKHgyY-qvvR5QnVtHIp57Tw/edit?usp=sharing>List of Historical Tactical, Strategic, and Military Drill treatises:http://pastebin.com/BfMeGd6R>ZunTsu Gameboxes:Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96637436>SPQR has, apparently, been discontinuedI see no problem here. No DLC slop was every released for SPQR, all you need is the core book which you can find online for free.
Konflict 47 looks so fucking gay now
>>96643682>>>/tg/awg
>>96643723No, you gotta keep him.
>>96643682It looks awful, does it even play with Bolt action rules anymore?
"Remember the days below" edition>What is this?/TG/ DEVELOPED A GAMEIT IS PLAYABLE. IT HAS BEEN PLAYED.EXPEDITION is a ~1880s era, Jules Verne-inspired retro-futurist, underground blood soaked adventurescape.It is a Skirmish wargame. Two players with their own expeditions, on a hexgrid map, explore & fight each other for victory and profit.3 versions of the rules exist, 2 of which have been playtested. The main one is 2e, to be found :>https://www.mediafire.com/folder/us7vnek39dc6k/AgarthaRulesas with maps, tokens and lore resources.>TL;DR Dochttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1LxdaGoBlJRTMuziMDupG5TeeFwNDnsIW2pfaRAcFDgA>Main Lore Doc, including links to anon-written short stories and additional lore in "Recommended..." sectionComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96528583Bump for interest.
Not much to report on this end, just sculpting and sanding and sculpting again on various Mu things.
>>96632162Post game analysis from the Austrian side.> I feel like I lost the game at the list building step, because the Expedition I had didn't have much else in mind but the Hund Bomb, and the parts I used didn't entirely support each other. The Peasants were meant to force the enemy to move forward and get into positions upon which I could either throw a single Hund supported by its Geb, or if the target was juicy enough, spawn the whole mob of doggos. It may have been useful against an artillery list, properly screened, but in this case Atlan anon doesn't need to feel shy about engaging me, hund or no hund, he had enough numerical superiority to keep pressure despite the attrition. > The Captain was meant as the one melee option to pick on stragglers, perhaps flank around, but as usual, committing your Leader to melee is, well... most often really dumb. > Tyrolean Hunds seems a bit overcosted at 5, I think 1,2,3 for the doggos could be fine. > Hunds should roll for Ethnicity. Why? Because its dumb and I want to.> Inat! should specify that it never turns anything into a Critical result (its kind of already implied by the fact Criticals are supposed to be natural rolls but adding the mention wouldn't hurt). > Gebs are definitely strong, but basing a whole list on them at 150 is probably a mistake. At least, It'll probably work a lot better replacing the Captain with the CEAIC Financier and the peasants with the Violinist so you can get a bit more Silver toward recruitment. I should be available for games this week starting Wednesday evenings, then Friday Saturday Sunday again. > Pic unrelated. Gorgs are always on my mind.
Thread #001 Autumnal Equinox EditionWelcome to /schreck/ where you can rp your VTM character! For all questions concerning the World of Darkness, please consult the WoDg and CoDg thread>>96590318Brief rules>We have no story teller, we are acephali>Threads are v20 based, although the night is long and full of whispers, lies, and half-truths. Decide your own canon but all will not believe you>all nicktuku will be diablerized on sight>all OOC discussion should be spoilered let me know if I should add anything to the op post yall. And welcome back to oldfags and newfags alike!
>>96643440Kill yer gargoyle and the poofter
>>96638800>under thrall of a blood bondI don't feel very thrally, if that means anything. She's just a hot older woman with more to offer than the regular sort of hot older woman. I'm not a fan of being told practically nothing while being sent to fetch shit that may or may not be giving me shadow cancer, or doing other dumb, dangerous errands like that, but it's still an okay deal. Immortality's kind of a good thing. This way I don't have to worry about ever losing what gives me any sort of value, at least. I don't get much beyond the whole immortality package, sure, but I don't really give much, so it's fair, sort of?>There is a very likely chance that your Sire will soon grow bored of you and cast you aside without a second thoughtYeah, I know how being superficial arm-candy tends to go. I'm fine with it, I'm not under some delusion that she's deeply and innocently in love with me, and I'm not that with her. And I'm vaguely guessing her 'soon' is 'a few decades on the low end', which is kind of a lot. It's not great, but I can live with it, you know? Or unlive? Whatever the fuck. And if it'll be sooner than a few decades, I guess I'll have to figure out something.>draw your own conclusions.If I do that I might walk away from this convinced that I am obligated to worship Satan since all the cool vamps saying weird shit do it. Using my own head sounds risky.Really though, what's with the snake thing? Offer me your side of the snake thing story, the guy with the dated Conan reference has something going for his side.>>96639541Switching to using an actual screen name because I guess I am getting all my So You're Dead And Cigarettes Spook You 101 info from here, might as well.>How many "siblings" do you have, if you don't mind me asking?I honestly have no clue. A lot are out of town, either doing stuff or just off, doing their thing, apparently. My Sire (this is so gay) doesn't really mention ones who aren't around that much. I personally met six.>cont'd
>>96643726I won't go into too much detail unless somebody cares, that seems like oversharing. But of that six, four are like me, picked because we're appealing. The other two look like her a lot, and while I don't really know for sure, I think she might've made them into vamps in part to get to use their civillian identities. I guess it's hard to pretend to be the same art professor for more than like twenty-five years without people asking why you do not age. I had to do some jobs with them, so while we don't really hang too close, I got to chat a few up. They mostly don't seem too interested in me, which I guess means I'm not special and there's a bunch of us. Or I am just boring, which is fair.No clue how old any of them are. It's kind of fucked up, hearing a five-foot-two-inches, nineteen-looking goblin wearing literally every shitty emo fashion piece item I've seen, down to mismatched fishnet gloves and whatever those dumb little star stickers are called, tell me she had some intense fucking opinions on Dreyfus back in the day. I told her I don't know who or what a Dreyfus was, so she spent fifteen minutes autistically detailing 120-year-old political drama she picked up from the newspapers and gossiped about with her cohort of exactly as psychotic teenage socialite women. I'm at this point just praying only she got made into a vamp and the others died of old age, because I don't think I can handle more than one of her.From what she and my Sire said, I'd guess I have like fifteen 'siblings' total? Maybe more? It's a really vague guess. She's really old, and she implied a bunch that she kept herself sane by playing at being human a lot. Given how she is about pretty things, so I'd guess the real number has to be way more, but I don't get the logistics of it, if that's the case. >>96640087>They grab anyone they can, the homeless, nighttime joggers. One time I heard a group of them went into a micky-d's at 3AM and did the whole restaurant.What the fuck.
>>96643894Can confirm. Graduate of Shovelhead U, Magna Cum Laude. Not quite valedictorian though, sorry to say.I was a moderately athletic college student that got lured into a mass embrace under the false promise of pussy. To be alive again. Might've been under a charm looking back at it. Turns out the "shovel party" was a lot more literal than the girl in my Russian Lit class said it was. She was a ghoul of the guy organizing it. They hit me over the head with a shovel, which by the way doesn't knock you out quite like it does in the movies, and then I was drained dry, embraced, and thrown into a shallow grave. They made me dig myself out. The worst part was sputtering like an idiot in front of the big vampires, because we don't breathe automatically anymore. I was so heated someone had to point it out to me. They kept me real hungry for a few nights, always on the edge of frenzy. Then I and about... thirty other sad sacks were sent at the Camarilla's big boys as the vanguard. Of my mass embrace, I was one of two that survived the year. I got to become "True Sabbat" after I presented the severed head of some unfortunate Camarilla neonate to the Bishop. Most Sabbat these nights got the same start I did, but some nepo-babies (that's what the mortals are saying now, right?) get made True Sabbat immediately. I despise them on general principle. The trick is to find a Nomad Pack. It's more dangerous than being a city pack, but immensely worth it. City packs have to kowtow to elders. Nomads come and go as they please, I have never had to drink the bath blood and I never will. When I found a group of nomads that'd take me, I made sure to kill the bitch who tricked me into the mass embrace on my way out. She was just a mortal after all. I'd be happy to answer any questions about the Sabbat you have without the used car salesman routine most of my sectmates like to put on for even slightly overworked enemy licks. Oh, and seconding the "never trust Setites" thing.
Tremere cuckold (the one known as the Chicago Cuck, you know which one) tried to argue with me so I just said>lmao whatever you say cuckand instead of replying both he and his loyal gargoyle went on their phones and started typing.Are they calling in reinforcements? Should I be worried?
>+++ADMINISTRATUM PASS KEY ACCEPTED+++>Loading message...Welcome back, revered clerk of the Administratum.Your efforts in compiling the information on [Vokaris Sector] and its eight subsectors have been received with satisfaction, and thus you are encouraged to continue your holy assignment to collect information about this sector in our grand Imperium.A brief reminder that as data comes in via the servitors around you, you will have to compile it and make this sector whole again.May the God Emperor continue to guide you clerk Anon.Hello there, Anons of /tg/. If anyone is still interested in this fun project, here is the whole sector - updated with the discovered planets so far - where we can continue to create together, using the planet generator found on 1d6chan.>https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Planet_generatorThe previous thread:>>96616211
>>96643308Smaller than the last one, it seems. Maybe all the big planets in this sector are gas giants or something. Or it was a very dust-poor region of space to begin with.
>>9664330822.000km circumference>Axial Tilt 1d100Lots of small worlds now, if the last planet also ends up being small I might just rename the sub-sector to like the "Solpearl", or the "Bauble Region" sub-sector, something of those lines if you Anons also think it would fit better
>>96644204Forgot to mention that I added the cemetery world. Let me know if you want anything changed as well.
Rolled 3 (1d100)>>96644204Im going to offer this idea: Perhaps this (so far fairly poor and weak sector) has lost its original Capitol to exterminatus or enemy incursion, and is suffering the aftereffects of having to do without one of its original strongpoints.
>>96644359None, so no tilt>Length of Day 1d100-10
I've really been enjoying reading through Runequest, so I don't understand why it seems so underrated in modern gaming.There doesn't really seem to be much interest in the current edition compared to early ones.I was hoping that there could be more excitement over its potential.Especially with the changes coming.
>>96639021Does Tekumel even have a metaplot?
>>96634928>I see nothing desirable whatsoever in keeping up with a setting where nothing you do in game could ever matter at all because the mary sue is already destined to ruin the setting in short order.So just decide that he doesn't? If you're the GM then you could have Argrath die off screen in session one and continue however you want.
>>96639329I already do. I'm saying i'm getting pissed with their focus on it and I feel actively disinclined to buy their stuff due to it.
>>96640268Really, what focus on it? Outside of King of Satar they don't really have any official writing on the future of the game after the game start. Just up to about a year after 1625 with the death of Kallyr and the uncertain future of Dragon Pass it brings. Barely any of their RQ:G stuff even alludes to it. Just that Argrath is an up and coming major power player after the Prax rebellion.
>>96642878We saved Kallyr in our game. There’s an official adventure where you go kill cursed ZZ revenant and take a piece of Ernalda’s mirror which grants one use divine intervention, no roll, no POW loss, no question asked.
Game shilling edition>RPG Rulebookshttps://rentry.org/40kRPGLinks>Homebrew Collection (Feb 2025)https://rentry.org/40RPGHB>WANG/Imperium Maledictum Newshttps://cubicle7games.com/blog/warhammer-40k>Bestiary, armoury, weapon quality and NPC databasehttp://www.40krpgtools.com/>Dark Heresy 2e Character Creator:https://apps.ajott.io/dh2chargen/>General 40kRPG Encyclopediahttps://www.scholaprogenium.com/>Offline Combined Armory (v6.48.161023)Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Are inquisitorial retinue cells usually led by an interrogator, or would it be reasonable to have autonomous cells acting on their own?
Would your life be better if you lived in your setting?
>>96626254As long as i don't end up there during a Grave War, in the southern badlands where everything was fucked in an ancient war, or in the greenskin empire i should be fine. Things would be real bad otherwise.
My setting is ruled by magical women who are hostile to men, so no.
>>96641871What's the system?
>>96626254Do I isekai in with all the knowledge of the person who invented the setting? Or am I just rolling the dice and going in blind?
>>96643980Femdom settings rock
>>96315518OP here, sorry for disappearing, am back. Was busy with work on some competition. Thanks for all the interest!>Elemental is an online 1v1 card game where players build their decks and take turns playing cards from them. Their decks start weak, but they can improve them by buying better cards or removing weak ones. Each player also has some mana (used to play cards), gold (used to buy cards) and HP (if it reaches 0, the player loses). Some cards give gold, deal damage or restore HP, while others provide various forms of utility, shielding or buffs. Seven elemental dice determine the strengths of various cards: Chance, Fire, Earth, Water, Nature, Gold and Magic. They are rolled at the start and stay as they are. However, some cards can change the values of these dice, thus changing how strong other cards are.>Elemental scaling is Elemental's core unique mechanic that sets it apart from other games in the genre.>Many cards' descriptions have an element symbol instead of a number, e.g. "Deal Fire damage to your opponent". This means that the amount of damage dealt is equal to the current value of the Fire die. We say that this card scales with Fire. Note that the die is not rerolled when playing such a card.>This mechanic makes dice control (using cards that can change the values of the dice) crucial, as doing this can drastically change the strengths of other cards. One player might have a deck that is on paper 2x stronger, but if all dice it scales with are 2s, while all of the dice the opponent's deck scales with are 7s, the opponent is still stronger.Did some more work on the AI opponent since a lot of people seem to be playing against it.New gameplay showcase is now up: https://youtu.be/F1p0CdXhxBUComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>96626260This is much better. Does a lot better job selling this, nice.
>>96552480Any tips for using these please?
>>96479550Hey OP, got any other projects in the works?
>>96633054That's good to hear.>>96635940For using VS Code and Make? Not really, VS Code is just a text editor, I have no fancy setup. And Make is a standard Linux util for building (I use it from Windows, but it is the same).>>96639156Well I also have a regular job, so I've got my trying not to get fired project in the works.
>>96640143I feel you. I swear my job just seems to drain me.