>'member when Primarchs were CLONES of Thy Emperor and not his sons with Erda ("Goddess-Empress" meme-turn-canon)>'member when Erda didn't exist and didn't ruin the Imperium by ejecting her sons to the Warp just to piss off Thy Emperor>'member when 40k was actually absurdist Grimdark and not mature, deep, serious Hopepunk>'member when the Imperium was actually xenophobic and not species-mixer with Eldars and Tau>'member when Salamanders were "reverse albinos" (Caucasians with actual black skin) instead of space wakandans>'member when Space Wolves, Ultramarines and Cadians were 100% whites>'member when Custodes were 100% males>'member when Mortarion despised being Nurgle's slave>'member when Magnus despised being Tzeentch's slave >'member when Necrons were space egyptian terminators and not space B1 droids with spooky body>'member when Thy Emperor was a tragic idealist man and not "CEO of galactic daddy issues">'member when SM armors were actually cool and had beaks and not the current clusterfuck of iconography and stamps Membermarine 'members. And you?
>>97217250I 'member GW being terrible at the numbers game.
>>97217250>Thy EmperorExplain why you keep typing this.
>>97218001See how he recoils>I've been caught
>>97220252Perpetuals are the worst thing the HH books introduced and everything about them is shit. But that story was too obviously made up even in the context of 40k's silliness. So I don't agree that it was ever a powerful metaphor for anything more than, "people really will believe the weirdest shit".
I literally don't remember half of these, no, because as someone who bought the Book of the Astronomican when it came out you've made most of them up.It was never directly stated that the Primarch's were clones. Heck, they were just Chapter Masters and when they got firmed up just before 2nd Ed they were always stated to be genetically engineered, so they weren't clones. Logically bits of their DNA were always taken from others.The Imperium were literally breeding with Eldar in the RT rulebook.Salamanders were just black guys (actually it was never explicitly painted and probably just a coincidence from the guide from the paint set but lets roll with that) and the ashen skin guys was itself an incredibly dumb retcon.The custodes were 100% nothing because there were only four lines of text about them until fucking 8th edition.LE2 had a beaked helmet, but literally the second marine model ever, LE10, didn't.The Emperor being dead was always fannon that had a few bits of in-world evidence but just as much that directly contradicted it.The Emperor's motivations were always shady, given he was literally nicked from Dune and that comes with it.
>>97171444 >What is /awg/?A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre, let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.>Examples of games that qualify.A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,Deadzone, Dragon Rampant, Dropfleet and Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Gaslands, HeroClix,Kings of War, Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,Oathmark, OnePageRules, Open Combat, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam, SAGA, StarCraft, Stargrave, Sludge, Urban War, Void,Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenos Rampant, Xenotactics......and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97221935Hard to say without having them together. Might need some putty work to get everything together, but if the scale works together, I don't see why not. Not a huge fan of them though. They kind just look like they're about to go for a bike ride.
>>97221822I know they didn't tell you this, but. If you root around for a bit in the past threads and know the PDF sharethread customs, there's a trove of all the rules for KDM. You can find readily-available recasts as well as 3DP proxies/scans elsewhere for a lot cheaper than plastic.That said there's not much else that does the highly-tactical PvE boss fights and freaky monsters thing you seem to be looking for. Sadly. You could try to scrounge up the official Dark Souls board game. Or hit up /3DPG/ for information on STLs inspired by stuff like Blasphemous and Souls. Be aware that they're pretty fucking cancerous.
>>97222004thanks for the info ladyes while I was waiting I was already searching for printnplay kits for KDM (one would think that there should be some), but seems like I'm going to make it from scratchGlad to have a direction, I'll fish for that rulebook aroundAnd for what I can understand, looks like the player minis are basically just stand-ins anyway, I'll probably go for some Bestiarum hero minis
>>97221891How do you even complete a model without completing the base as well?
>>97222047That's what I just realised. They aren't actually completed at all but for some reason I convinced myself that they are.
Ok real talk. Do you think design choices like this were what ultimately killed AoS? Or were there other factors at play?
>>97222086But the Cause is to make money
>>97217497>being the confluence of Chinese gatcha games and world of warcraftJoke's on you, my Chinese gacha games have far superior aesthetics to WHF, AoS, or 40K. Better writing and worldbuilding too, AND the females are still allowed to be attractive.
>>97222118This. Fgo and Nasu fucking mog gw as a whole.
>>97144970It seems okay as a generic skirmish system. I have Dark Elves, Chaos and Goblin armies so it irritates me that those three all somehow ended up in separate factions. MESBG seems better to be honest, I'll probably use that instead, as someone has already ported the Fantasy armies to it.
>>97222125Fgo isn't a Chinese Gatcha game though it's just a Japanese Gatcha Game
Excess Dragonballs EditionHere is a thread to discuss trading card games other than the big three.>Build Divide>Force of Will>Final Fantasy TCG>DBZ CCG>Wixoss>Keyforge>Gundam>Legend of the 5 Rings (L5R)>Digimon>Flesh and Blood>Gate Ruler>Battle SpiritsComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97219214I think the biggest issue with the game retaining players is how harsh the transition from thinking you've almost won games into realizing that getting your opponent to 1 hp while he has 5 cards wasn't close at all.
>>97221306Unfortunately so. That only bothers me because some have really good art that I wish were in paper. Mechanics are whatever because DMP is technically a different game with different rules.That said, they have brought over some DMP exclusive cards to paper with the DMPCD products (last one in 2023)https://duelmasters.fandom.com/wiki/DMPCD-03_DueMaPlay%27s_Collaboration_Deck:_The_Fierce_Dragon_Hero_and_the_Original_Wicked_Eye
>>97219387contact distributors. it seems like in europe, italy is the hub for getting the trading cards straight from distro for the low lol . Card sales in america are so interwoven with baseball cards, a uniquely american thing, that I wonder how pokemon cards and such are sold in other europe.
>>97221501>That said, they have brought over some DMP exclusive cards to paperI saw that, it's mixed feelings mostly just depending on the card. I don't mind for the vast majority but it usually boils down to like one or two I hyper fixate on. Gives a good opportunity to try shit out without harming the mainline product.
Amazons Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97213499Don’t you guys find it weird that Tzeentch’s followers in fantasy are much more diverse than the one in 40k? Like, it’s just sorcerers in 40k opposed to many kind of followers he has in fantasy
>>97221004Dunno if it's perspective but those dwarf models look huge
>>97218408Well, elf spearmen wear more extensive armour than greatswords, but have only light armour, while latter have dull plate.Do you think TOW has redundant rules that just add extra dice rolls without much impact to the actual game. If so, what rules would you file under this description?
>>97222058chaos in 40k is cucked by having to be marines, and thousand sons even more so
>>97222058Tzeentch was the main focus in WFRP campaigns like the Enemy Within so which allowed greater development early on
Why is it so common for fantasy rpgs that try to do the "Deep Lore" stuff to always default to Gnosticism or H.P. Lovecraft in a trench coat?
>>97208974>why is mysterious, obscure and esoteric lore inspired by mysterious, obscure and esoteric lore??
>>97216545>Buddhism is Gnosticism, just for East Asia.That's quite a shallow understanding of Buddhism>>97216570I agree. Glorantha has quite an interesting take. Too bad Chaosium is running Runequest into the ground with their schizoid indecisiveness on where to take the game.
>>97216420Simulation theory was implied in both Star Ocean 1 and 2. The problem with 3 was that they tried to turn it into a mid-game twist and that made a mess of the game's story.
>>97214013>Plants are what is wrong with everything in the world. We must return to Photosynthesis.
Familiarity is important.
what do you think of the wordbuilding and lore of vermis?
>>97214202It's a nice coffee table book.If you are a "coffee table book" person.And it might get your friends curious enough to rope them into some sort of game, as the visual representation is attractive.
>>97214218>this is an acid slug>it's a slug>it spits acid
What does /tg/ think of other Hollow Press products?Manosinistra and Pilgrims of the Murkdome seems pretty interesting in their settings as ttrpg
>>97222116I mean they publish Blanches art books
>>97221345alternatively>before you enter the city of sludge a dude gives you an anti-sludge potion>you make take the anti sludge potion to negate the effects of sludge for a single night
Have you tried Space Gits? It's an unusual skirmish game by Mike Hutchinson (made Gaslands). It seems to be the ultimate casual skirmish that you play while chugging beer.A lot of mechanics are dexterity based, for example instead of losing health or wounds, your fighters add D6's to their dice tower, which has to be moved alongside them (and when it drops over, they drop down). Shooting is also quirky - you roll dice equal to the number of shots and then trace lines between a shooter and each die to see if you hit the target. Landed shots use die's result, so a single roll is made to-hit and to-wound, which I think is neat.I'm going to try it this thursday. My only two complaints so far is that close combat seems bland (its basically rock-paper-scissors) and it's really easy to deny it by spamming shove. My other complaint is that the rulebook's art is atrocious vomit.Everything else checks out though, it even seem to have a basic campaign system.
There's like five gorillion quirky skirmish games and like 3 decent and played agnostic wargames so I just don't care. I don't wanna play star krump or sludge fight or city punch or robot nipple twisters or whatever else if it's just another 7 niggas fight another 7 niggas on a 2x2 board.
Another Infernals edition edition>What is Exalted?An epic high-flying role-playing game about reborn god-heroes in a world that turned on them.Start here:http://theonyxpath.com/category/worlds/exalted/>That sounds cool, how can I get into it?Read the 3e core book (link below). For mechanics of the old edition, play this tutorial:http://mengtzu.github.io/exalted/sakuya.htmlIt’ll get you familiar with most of the mechanics.>Gosh that was fun. How do I find a group?Roll20 and the Game Finder General here on /tg/. good luck>Resources for Third Edition>3E Core and SplatsComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97218804No Inspire action is pretty meh for Social Influence. Teamwork is also way too strong, I'd cap it somehow.Other than that, I have a way better time with it than 3e because it actually feels playable and doesn't try and obfuscate the differences between Exalt types by breaking them up into hundreds of fiddly literal who charms.
>>97219954IMO they named too many of the Eight generals. Also they did that thing with Ipithymia that they did with the Lover and made her sexless.At that point, just make a different character so that people who liked her can feel free to port her forward without much hassle.
>>97221979For whatever reason I didn't mind what the changes to Ipithymia nearly as much as I did those to Lover. In part it's probably because I always found loli genderbent UCS sex street pretty silly, and in part because Ipithymia, unlike Lover, at least gets a pretty interesting new deal to replace what was removed. It's true that just having the new Ipithymia be a new character with a new name would've been better, though.
>>97221979>At that point, just make a different character so that people who liked her can feel free to port her forward without much hassle.You could say the same thing for 3e in general though. Just make a different game.
>>97222115Nah, 3E as a whole, for all its flaws, is definitely Exalted and obviously written by people who care a whole lot about Exalted. The worst parts about 3E, setting aside the mechanical issues of the core, aren't ones where the writers seem like they'd want to write something else but ones where they half-ass things due to obviously being embarrassed of something from the past editions but simultaneously too fond of that something to really let go and change things. I mean things like Raksi being sort of a cannibal monster still but kind of not, or Lilith, or Lover, or, to a lesser extent, Ipithymia.
Post-Apocalyptic Fantasy? >A world rocked by cataclysm>landscapes filled with chaos and wonder>mage storms>An enduring mystery; what happened, and what happened in the intervening centuries?>An atmosphere of hope and renewal, as heroes rise, and mysteries are investigated.>Darkness and evil await in corners and ruins, like pools of dank water waiting for the sun>the brink of a New Age Interesting setting? What elements would you include? I'm just gonna throw zombies at them.
>>97219487I means nothing.It's an argument starter about a total non-issue.
>>97220563>I always like having the moon be damaged and falling apart.How do you feel about no moon at all? When I've searched online for what other people think of the idea, it was often met with genuine confusion as to why anyone would do that. Some thought it was fine. I was really surprised by a lot of people's gut reaction being quite negative.As for why, I just want the nights in my games to be really fucking dark. That, and it fits with the MO of a lot of the rest of the world, including its ecology.Also what the fuck is this new captcha, jesus fucking christ.
>>97221736You're a salty fucking thing, aren't you? The generals recycle the same damn content; the same discussions constantly repeated for years on end. So much so, I wonder if there's a human voice save for the jannies running a business ad. Not that you would admit it, if you even could.
>What elements would you include?Lighting, Ice, Void, and Metal.
>>97221787These /wbg/ threads also recycle the same damn content, though.Are you actually reading the posts you're replying to?
When did Warhammer go from being a game about making themed armies in cool campaigns into being a sweatlord tournament game where people whine about balance and how your models must be Games Workshop approved with the right weapons and no kitbashing? What even happened to campaign play?
>>97217099Understandable, have a good day.
>>97203960Ask me how I know you enjoy the stench of unwashed dicks, fauxgrog.The "oldhammer" you LARP as loving existed for about four months in 1987 and was never even the intent of the people creating and publishing the game, it is purely an artifact of them being an actual small business at the time and so having to serialise the publication of their game and setting. Rick Priestly has said in numerous interviews that barring a few irrelevant details the "tidied up" version of 40K that arrived with 2nd edition was always the version they had in mind and were working towards with RT, and again barring a few irrelevant trivialities 2nd and 3rd are completely consistent as regards the setting. Orks being treated more as "sometimes amusing but an actual threat" rather than "LOLELEPEEPEEPOOPOO LE RANDUMB" - which was always to some extent an exaggeration anyway - is about the only serious "change". The rules were changed, certainly, but they'd also changed with 2nd and you groglarpers always pretend that wasn't a big deal despite it being a huge shift from pseudo-RPG combat system to genuine wargame, with 3rd being a comparitively much smaller change from bloated character focused wargame to slightly streamlined unit focused wargame. Also first major pricehike? Lol. Lmao. Eat shit buddy, I remember actual shouting matches between customers and staff because of price rises in the mid 90's.I don't know whether you're a pretendy-grog trying to pretend your imagined "original & pure" 40K actually existed or simply a Latehammer faggot maneuvering to try and pretend all the rancid slop you enjoyed as GW steadily ruined their IPs in the mid 2010s onward, but either way it's not gonna work bubby, some of us were actually there.
>>97196529Among friends, you wouldn't be enough of a cunt to buy a mini knowing all your mates hated SCs then try to guilt them into letting you play it. Every club I joined and every gaming group I played with banned SCs outright all the way up until around the middle of 4th edition, and even then it took a couple of years and 5th's heavy pushing of them for army building unlocks before you weren't considered a massive twat if you tried to use them outside of prearranged narrative games where they would actually be present.
>>97218765>I remember actual shouting matches between customers and staff because of price rises in the mid 90's.Then you're too old to post here. Leave.
>>97195868Go to Mutantpedia (the Warzone/Mutant Chronicles wiki). Find the issues of Chronicles From the Warzone and Chronicles magazine. You can literally watch the process happening in real time as the FAQ section progresses. It was happening at the same time (1997-1999) and roughly the same pace in 40k, Clan War, and several other games. BattleTech had the same thing start to happen a few years earlier in ~1993-1995, but a mix of brutal pushback from the rest of the community and the type of organized play events that were happening largely killed it off. Everyone agreed that tournaments were fucking cancer and consigned them to the Bloodname melees at GenCon, the other events all stayed story-related or were shits-and-giggles stuff like Masters and Minions
Whi built the dungeon?
>>97199531I like this idea, the adventurers delving into a massive dungeon in search of treasure, riches and fame, with the unknown prize being the undead lich Whi waiting patiently in the center. Echos of the Temple of Elelmental Evil and the Caverns of whatchucallit.
>>97197677Its essentially the metaplot of Earthdawn, which is the prehistory of Shadowrun.
>>97216032/thread
>>97207618>those aren't dungeons, those are just... dangerous places. what's the point of saying that they are "dungeons"?Dungeon is just a catch all term for dangerous places now. Originally it started out as the term for a castle's keep building. It then began to be used as the name for a castle's underground prison cells. When the massive dungeon system under Castle Greyhawk was discovered and explored along with the cave systems below it, late comers started calling the entire system a dungeon rather than just the finished upper levels of the underground. It didn't help that Zagyg sealed a bunch of demon lords in the lower levels making them in effect actual dungeon levels.
>>97184679This is very cool. Did you wing it or is it from a setting?
Horus and the Gigachads edition>Previous Thread: >>97202453>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPSComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>97218262Hey, yes, as the other anon said, the "tablet" is from the Spartan spruey the one in guns, tech marine and other stuff.The table is from the tetarded primaris impulsor. This table is glued on a bit that I think comes from the Leman Russ tank, but not sure.
>>97221697>Predators cannot get into melta range of anything without being in charge range where they have fucking ARMOR 10 not 14.What sort of American boards do you play on?>>97221715If you didn't know, they can activate Lost to the Nails for free at the start of the charge phase as >>97221215 mentions
>>97221841you have to be within 12" of the enemy units, retardo boy. That means on their turn they move 7" or more, then setup 1-6" closer, then charge 2d6-pick-highest.And that's being nice and assuming his tank is in front of his army next to his infantry. If it's screened Behind any other units, you won't even be able to EVER get within 12" of it with a predator, dumbfuck.
Anyone have the lore tid bit about EC delimbing their members to put inside Saturnine armor?
>>97221862Which is why you do the opposite of the normal tactic with Rhinos charging to soak Overwatch and have your rabid legionaries (you were escorting your tank with infantry rather than charging down a road Russian-style, right?) charge his infantry to tie them up while you get in to slag his tank
I haven't kept up with 40k lore in a long while but I just found out that they brought this guy back for no real reason and I find it really cringe. What I liked about the old lore was that humanity was in decline, the Imperium that once was is a long distant memory, the heroics of the past is shoruded in uncertainty and ambiguity and all that remains is the rot and decay. Now we have a dude from the past that has just come back and he is totally badass and cool and is gonna fix everything and also any ambiguity that makes the past mysterious and interesting is now gone because there are people alive who can backup what happened. It feels less grimdark and more marvel super hero shit. I don't really like it.
>>97221995Bringing back Guilliman (and later Lion) is proof of GW being bankrupt.But that's the peak of the iceberg. These two coming back is just the peak of the cringe iceberg.
Nu-Warhammer is gay slop shit. Congratulations anon, you're about 20 years late though.
>>97221995Oldhammer was in the glory days of the 90s, life was too good, so getting lost in a grim dark dystopia was a form of escapism.20s is dystopian af, life is shit, so grim dark hits too close to home and now everything is noblebrigh as a form of escapism. The good guys swoop in, have a tough battle against evil and prevail, unlike real life.
Valakut editionPrevious: >>97129473>News & RemindersWorld Championship 31 won by Seth Manfield (Izzet Lessons, United States, he/him)Complete winter achievements for rewards December 16-January 6From November 18, 2025–January 19, 2026 Golden Packs will temporary contain cards differently than before due to "various pieces of internal nonsense"https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/announcements-december-15-2025>Useful Linkshttps://pastebin.com/QFA0hqaA>TQHave you played the brawl challenge, and if so, which commander?
>>97221987>>97222019this is literally every dayare you new?
>>97222069Usually it doesn't happen this often.I literally don't understand how you could be so slow.
>>97221987>>97222019I unironically do that sometimes because I know it makes ADHDtards ragequit, specially when they're one of those players that spam the your turn emote
>>97222077Emote spammers get the rope so fair enough.
>>97222072there are actual mouthbreathers who don't even have a pc playing on their phonesor just weirdos playing on the toilet probably>>97222077>>97222078I mean when you're roping every turn some spam is warranted no?
