>24-70 f4, 50 f1.8, 100-400 f5-6.3Should i sell my gear and go canon?
>>4378766Yes.>24-70mm f/4, 50mm f/1.8, 100-400mm f/5.6-8And around in circles we go
>>4378766Yeah, but before switching you should buy bitcoin with the money you get from selling your gear. Imagine the gains.
Sell your gear and go fuji or leica and like two F2 primes.or..Sell your gear and go ricoh gxror..Sell your gear and get info fi- nvmor..Sell your gear and get a hassy with a digital backor..KEEP your gear and get an old piece of shit flea market digishit for 5 bucks and use only that for a while.a few "different" options for ya
I think I'll quit photography
>>4378785Okeidokey. That's completely fine too.
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>>4377575Is this joking that the lenses I picked would be filled with mold, or serious?
>>4377575>>4377726Probably because of “Cabi” in the OP. “Kabi” means “mold” in moonspeak.
>>4377726Both. Good lens choices, and see >>4377730
35/1.470-200>>4372614He's right, why not a Df, same sensor as D4 and weighs 1/3 as much
>>4378721idk i want the big fatso battery grip and dat fps
This one is going to be a big one that will likely hit the image limit, I have a *lot* of work, I'm still going through Bonneville 2024 and the volume has been overwhelming, there will probably be two threads, but fuck it, Sugar thread up. I have a little downtime now and I've been catching up.We will be starting probably beginning-ish of this year with underwater stuff.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeNIKON CORPORATIONCamera ModelNIKON D60Camera SoftwareAdobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic 8.2.1 (Windows)Maximum Lens Aperturef/6.1Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaColor Filter Array Pattern758Focal Length (35mm Equiv)202 mmImage-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiImage Created2024:09:29 18:46:50Exposure Time1/500 secF-Numberf/6.3Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating800Lens Aperturef/6.3Exposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo FlashFocal Length135.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBRenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlLow Gain UpContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormalSubject Distance RangeUnknown
bump because /p/loves brownnosinglardass tripfags
>>4372349>gearfag/=/experienced photographerUnless paying whores to take their pictures counts LOL
come on!dont think about the lardhes a tripfaghe deserves your obsequience!
>>4368839>HOLY SHITFATSO
>>4376734I deserve a lot of things but that's probably not one of them.>>4371897This is a photography board, if they had balls they would post the bad stuff too like I do. I'm not afraid of a harsh C&C and back in 2011 that's how it was before shitsux, you would get absolutely butt blasted but then they would point out where you went wrong instead of having a sperg moment about you tripping on an anonymous Mexican free tail bat enthusiast board.New bread in the works I've been busy at work running my tits off in the process of buying a house so I haven't processed much and I'm still way behind.
Any tips for street photography in Marrakesh? Apparently Moroccans believe a part of their soul is stolen when their picture is taken. I know people who have been accosted for simply holding a camera. How can I do it bros without being martyred?[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Camera SoftwareDigital Camera X100F Ver1.00Image-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width1600Image Height1066
>>4377818Are you unable to take interesting photos without easily identifiable humans in them? You might just be a street photographer.
>>4378121Umm autistic people rise up?
>>4378016I just started developing the film. I still got to "scan" them and convert them. Hope to make a thread soon
just do urban landscapes or street with no ppl.
>>4378576ThisIndustrial theme it. Power lines, cracks on the pavement, vacant parking lots, dumbster fires.
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Please help me, I want to take indoor pictures like this, I have a fixed wide angle, but I can't get this quality. What lens do you think I can use to get a photo like this?
>>4374855>>4375176>I can't get this qualityThose have quite moody, lighting. The look you want is evening sun, single point perspective. With single point perspective you really need to pay close attention to your lines in your image being straight, and hopefully you can find some left-to-right symmetry as well. In the first image, I would have moved the camera a bit to the right so the beam in the centre of the ceiling is in the centre of the image. Doing this also makes it easier to get all of your vertical lines straight. >What lens do you think I can use to get a photo like thisAperture won't matter, since you'll ideally be shooting at f/8 or 9 anyway. I would get a wide angle zoom. Personally I use a 16-28mm on full frame. That way you have an extra variable you can change when framing, and you dont need to constantly be changing lenses. If you're shooting rooms in a normal sized house, wider is really useful. I wouldnt want to go any longer than 16 on the short end. Also, always use a tripod. I can't stress enough how important it is to get your lines straight. Even if I get something as good as I can in camera, I will still end up using a bit of perspective distortion in LR. Lens correction is also very useful.>I'm about to buy a Tilt-Shift lens, and I want to know if that lens would help me solve the problemTo fix edge sharpness? No, tilt-shifts are for a unique sort of perspective correction, which can be done in post albeit at a slight cost to image quality in affected areas. Part of the reason they're not really making them anymore. As the other anon said, pretty much any wide-angle lenses are going to have some softness around the edges. The best remedy for this, if you're willing to spend the money, is a modern mirrorless full frame camera with a modern expensive lens. The shorter focal flange distance aids a bit in the construction of wide angles versus DSLR counterparts. That and they're just newer lenses with better optics.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeCanonCamera ModelCanon EOS 5D Mark IIMaximum Lens Aperturef/2.8Image-Specific Properties:Exposure Time1/25 secF-Numberf/8.0Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating100Lens Aperturef/8.0Exposure Bias-1.7 EVMetering ModePatternFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length16.00 mmWhite BalanceAuto
>>4374855>>4374856>>4375305Look into a tilt-shift lens, or even better, a technical camera (you can mount a DSLR or Mirrorless camera to them using an adapter, you don't have to use film)They're the only way to correct perspective in-camera, it's one of the most important photographic techniques in architecture, and it's a ton of funDo be aware it will also shift the focal plane though, so higher apertures may be necessary, but you're on tripod already
>>4375305What distortion are you having a issue with? All of the photos you've posted look fine to me, everything is reasonably straight.
Exposure blending
>>4375684NTA, but it looks a little bloated in the center.
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>>4241034The first known photograph of a climate girl
>>4355771>surely due to quack doctorsWe still have those, the excess death was due to unsanitary conditions along with misdiagnosed illnesses. For example back in the day the very few who had gluten problems didn't live long, leukemia was a death sentence, tuberculosis practically the same unless you lived in a salt cave to purge yourself injun-style, so on and so forth.Only le science fags claim it was due to alternative medicine which did come into play but not nearly as much as other shit, let alone famines which did happen a lot in the old days.
>>4241034Happy Birthday!
> Be me, concert photographer> female musician on stage "happens to show" hairy armpits while having meticulously shaved legs> westoid singer wears keffiyeh> guitarist has a sticker of a Palestinian flag on the guitarWoops, I didn't catch those momentsAlso, males with hairy armpits are just as disgusting
>>4378532shave it, you bum
>be wedding photographer>faggot couple wants me to shoot their satanic rite>say im sick>they say they’ll reschedule>say i have cancer and im closing shop, refer them to a liberal woman photographer>she shot their satanic rite on a canon r50 on auto mode>i ended up making more money selling insurance and had more time to engage in actual photography
>>4378506go back to plebbit retard
>>4378535>be gaylol faggot
>>4378546>rescheduling a wedding to book a wedding photographerThat's one ghetto wedding.
Do any anons have experience photographing CRT televisions? I have a few PVM’s and other consumer sets and I have been playing around with the Halide app on iPhone 15 pro. I’m curious about general dos and donts. Excited to take more photos tonight when the room will be dark, I’ll post more if there is interest.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Image-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiCommentScreenshotColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width2556Image Height1179Scene Capture TypeStandard
>>4372497match the camera's shutter speed with the CRT's refresh rate, or do a long exposure
>>4374673Cozy setup, I would use CRT's myself but the whine gets me so bad. People say it goes away as you grow old but im 30 and I hear it as well as I did as a child so idk.
>>4374673The ideal thing to do is actually divide by the refresh rate. The more samples the better.60Hz?Use a shutter of 1/30 (2x), 1/20 (3x), 1/15 (4x), 1/10 (6x) etc.The use of an ND filter will allow you to do long enough exposures if 1/30 or so is too bright.>Plushie>CanoScan in the backgroundAny chance you could scan your plushie's butt and upload that?
>>4374675CRT monitors like in my pic don't audibly whine. They run at a much higher refresh rate than TVs, far higher than what humans can hear.I have a TV too which does whine, and yeah it can be pretty annoying, although when I'm playing a fun game on it I usually forget about the whine.>>4374681>The ideal thing to do is actually divide by the refresh rate.For capturing static content, definitely, but not for moving content unless you want a bunch of overlapping mismatched frames.>Any chance you could scan your plushie's butt and upload that?kek, maybe tomorrow
what's wrong with this pic? way too dark? inaccurate colors? i used a 30 year old tv
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>>4376232Very cool>>4376280Look up liminal spaces
>corners of buildings>backs of heads>flowers>catsthanks for uploading your whole sd card of snapshits. this >>4378378 has some documentary value at least
>>4378460If you applied that to your own post, you'd realize how useless it is. But you already knew that
Can heat fuck cameras or lenses?I work as a delivery guy on a scooter and I never find enough time out of work to go out and take pictures. The only place I have for my gear is under the sit, but that's just above the engine and it gets really hot when driving.
>>4378283Keep it padded at least so the constant jostling and vibration doesn't wear or loosen anything internally. Prolonged exposure to high heat can weaken adhesives and cook off the lubricants on some contact points inside the camera.Don't keep your camera under the seat.
Yeah on mirrorless the sensor can delaminate and the weather sealing can dry up.
>>4378283Yeah, this would be a great way to ruin your camera, anon. Both because of the heat issue, and also the repeated jostling which will inevitably cause you problems as well.
>>4378283Just about anything will break a sony.
Why does Sony have objectively the worst color science out of all the cameras?
>>4377708>nikon fucked up so bad they had to replace the camerasAnd still you dont hear of their other problems like consistent, dslr and mirrorless, tendency to have tilted viewfinders until you leave the snoy hate, pentaxnikonpanalympus shilling circlejerk of /p/
Anons I'm going to do it and fall for the a7c memeI can get one used for $800, any recommendations for lenses?
>>437773440mm f2.5 (it was made for that camera)
>>4377734>>4377735Get the viltrox version for 1/4th the price if you decide to go with a 40/2.5. No need to buy overpriced snoy.
>>4377708So what you’re telling me is that Sony, Nikon, and Pentax have had failure rates so high that they triggered/supported class actions? And only with Canon can it truly be said any reports of failure are “just a few bad examples like in any production line”? In other words out of the four only Canon knows how to build cameras?Awesome, glad I chose the right brand and didn’t get cucked. Explains why Sony is stuck at #2 despite going FF mirrorless years before Canon.
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>>4377839Also 7am when white people finally wake up
>>4377846>Wake up first thing in the morning>Fuck, I better post on 4 chan before it's too lateI get that we're all degenerate autists on this site, but I don't even think of 4chan until I'm taking a shit at work
>>4377847i need the blue light or else i pass out and miss workyesterday was bar hopping and tonight is a birthday party thats also bar hopping so mornings dont go well
>>4377864My friend you need rest, relaxation, and hydration. Self care for yoself, or you're gonna burn out and kill yourself driving home from work one day or some shit.
>>4377649Off-topic: do we know anything about the A7 V?
I'm going to put my slides in this thread. these are practically found objects, the intention isn't in the principle phortor..graphry, it's in the digitization & processing, and even that is a blindfolded break. They are just the stack of slides that are in my way on my desk, minus any other editorial commentary. Comp nerds, take 5. Some of these I shot with crappy P&S's when I was 10, some are shot with shitwizard amazetard machinery and don't look any better. Some of the film is ektachrome, some is kodachrome, some is cheapshit generic flakes of ass-paste & developed with hot smegma for all i know. plus i'm pretty sure my grandma shot some and they got mixed in, idgaf anymore, as previously discussed, it doesn't matter anyway until you say it does, and I don't, yet.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Image-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width1600Image Height2400
>>4375703>I'm going to put my slides in this thread. these are practically found objects, the intention isn't in the principle phortor..graphry, it's in the digitization & processing, and even that is a blindfolded break. They are just the stack of slides that are in my way on my desk, minus any other editorial commentary. Comp nerds, take 5. Some of these I shot with crappy P&S's when I was 10, some are shot with shitwizard amazetard machinery and don't look any better. Some of the film is ektachrome, some is kodachrome, some is cheapshit generic flakes of ass-paste & developed with hot smegma for all i know. plus i'm pretty sure my grandma shot some and they got mixed in, idgaf anymore, as previously discussed, it doesn't matter anyway until you say it does, and I don't, yet.we get it, you just discovered gravity's rainbow
Hi everyone,i have bunch of 220 Provia 100F and i've been shooting them alot.Great color and exposure even though expired.My question is should i cross develop them with c-41 since it's cheaper then ?Is it true that provia 100F works well for cross processing ?I've been shooting and sending them to lab individuallybut thought about getting c41 chems and doing it all myself(e6 chemicals give me what....6 films ?!)
>>4377417Don't do that!!
>>4378321Explain ?!?
>>4375750kino shot>>4378446negatives are not beatiful to the naked eyedrink bleach
I am a complete newbie. I want to decorate my home with a few giant prints. After some reading I thought that prints under acrylic might be nice, but then I realized that literally the print itself is 1/8 of the price, and 7/8 is the acrylic glass. Fucking bonkers.Apparently the acrylic glass is supposed to protect the picture from damage. In my case the worst offender would be UV. In particular, a few photos need to be hung right behind a window which gets shitload of sunlight every day.On the other hand though, I can literally re-print the same picture 8 times for the price of one acrylic print. Okay, maybe I could lower the costs by buying some standard-sized frame on Amazon, but this only reduces the problem, doesn't completely eliminate it.This brings me to the crux of the question: suppose I print something and place it right behind my sunny window, without any form of protection. How long should I expect it to last before it fades? Will it be at least a few years? To be precise, I want to print using this:https://www.whitewall.com/eu/photo-prints/ultra-hd
>>4378356I'm sorry to hear that
>>4378340your unprotected prints should be good for 2 to 3 years until you really notice any fading. that's for those in direct sunlight. the others will last 10 years+
>>4378403I found this thing:>Hahnemühle Digital FineArt Protective SprayDoes it actually do something?
I needed some polycarbonate for a project last year, and found a local place that put me in touch with their supplier. I was able to get a 6x12 foot sheet. It was very expensive but still about 1/3 the price per sq ft as buying a cut piece.
>>4378411yes, it makes you poorerthere's people who swear by those sprays and there's people who don't.re-printing usually is not a hassle and you will want to change your wall decoration every few years anyway. so I wouldn't spend extra on a spray unless you have some high value print you are absolutely sure will be hanging for 10+ years or it's some signed work by a youtuber faggot