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I'm low IQ. Basically what you'd call retarded. I've been like this since childhood but it's ruining my life since I started pursuing a degree. How do I become smarter? I asked around but nobody takes me seriously.
I'm running out of people who are willing to put up with me. It's upsetting how little I understand of things. If there's no way to stop being retarded I need to find out a way to cope. Do I just give up on my goals?
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There are many types of intelligence that can't even be measured. I'm sure you have plenty of talent to contribute to society. Just engage with your interests as much as possible. Keep applying yourself and see where you curiosity takes you.
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>>35083539
• Embrace the "Feynman Technique": When you are trying to understand a difficult concept in your degree, try to explain it out loud as if you were talking to a 5-year-old child. If you hit a wall where you can't simplify it, that is exactly where your understanding breaks down. Go back to your notes and focus only on that specific gap.
• Write everything down: Stop trying to hold information in your head. Acknowledge that your working memory might get easily overwhelmed, and externalize your thoughts. Keep a dedicated notebook or digital document where you sketch out concepts, write down multi-step instructions, and track daily tasks.
• Exercise daily: Cardio and light aerobic exercise (like a brisk 30-minute walk) directly stimulate the hippocampus, the area of the brain responsible for memory and learning. It literally helps grow and connect brain cells.
• Practice single-tasking: Multitasking or constantly switching between your phone and your homework creates neural inefficiency. It burns mental energy and prevents long-term memories from forming. Train your brain by focusing entirely on one task for 20–30 minutes at a time, with no distraction
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>>35083539
Professor writing here.

Please believe me - NO ONE is "too dumb for college." I have watched students with the IQ of linoleum get through by way of a combination of hard work and accepting all the legitimate help they can get.

The top cause of failing in any college class is not doing the work. The grading system is rigged so that if you show up, pay attention and hand in the assignments you will pick up enough to pass.

The second greatest cause of failing is not getting help. Almost everyone who ultimately fails knows they're failing within the first couple of weeks, because they know they just don't understand what's going on. THEN (and not the end of the term) is when to go to the professor's office hours and say you're lost. You will get, absolutely free, a one-to-one tutorial on the basic premises and methods of the class. That doesn'r guarantee an A, but at least you will know what game you're playing. That's what we keep office hours for.
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OP here, thanks everyone for taking the time reply. I really do appreciate it. Had to be away from the computer for a while, sorry!

>>35085963
I'm going to try these. I do basically the opposite of everything you listed here. (shut-in, can't focus, no notetaking, etc.)
I know it's bad, but I'll try to break these bad habits this year.

>>35086038
To be honest, I've been avoiding my professors. I feel like I'm failing them, and they're probably tired of seeing my face on campus at this point. I know this isn't a positive (or even accurate) thought process but it's what I have ringing in my head all the time.
It's nice to have receive such a positive response from a professor.
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>>35083539
Why does IQ matter to you?
IQ doesn't equate to competency in life anymore than being tall guarantees you'd immediately be excellent at basketball. Experience trumps genetic luck. You want to be "smart?" Do things, often. Build experience. Establish a network of memories in your head. People aren't putting up with you because you're dumb. People feel they have to live your life for you, that you are trying to do things beyond your experience.

Read.
Fucking, read.
I know you're supposedly a dumb piece of shit, but what's near about books is you can download experiences from them. So if you can't go out and do things, absorb them through reading.

You want people to like you? Be useful. Do things that benefit people. You don't have to be 200 IQ to keep things clean, ready, clear, and consistent. Computers are smart but when they need repairs they are insufferable. Be the dumb tree that people can lean against, the shade they seek. Trees are dumb but they are wanted, and their absence is felt when they are gone.

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I think I actually do okay when it comes to getting to know a woman or even dating. The issue I have is even getting the chance or opportunity to even try. I don't consider myself a severe sperg but I know when I could be making someone uncomfortable and I respect boundaries etc. Like going from the step of not knowing a woman to knowing a woman is impossible for me UNLESS something sets it up. So if we happen to share mutual friends and such(which is uncommon for me). What can I do otherwise? Without having some supporting way of meeting women, I feel helpless. Online dating feels useless to me because women are inundated with messages. So even if I send good ones, she may never see it. What are my other options though? How do you secure even being given a chance?
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>>35083782
>>35084692
>>35087022
swallow your pride and ask your mother for help. you need help from inside the network after you miss all the natural opportunites of youth.
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>>35087223
Both of my parents are deceased.
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>>35087239
sister/in-law?
doesnt really matter who just need someone on the inside who cares enough to try. also you have to be a gracious normie about it and not be too picky
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>>35083782
yeah nowadays most gen z men only ask a woman out once it's "safe" and he's known her for some time in a non-dating context, for example as part of the same friend group. this is also why men always get crushes on their friend's gfs if she even semi-regularly hangs out with the boys and why the gfs friends start finding the bf attractive, familiarity breeds attraction.

i would simply suggest finding someone at work or through your social circle. make more friends and expand your social circle -> get invited to places with women they know and who don't have their guard up -> become familiar with a girl. the answer is simply expanding your social circle, it is infinitely easier than talking to random women you don't know and has better chances of success.
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>>35087022
>Meeting a woman that is into video games for example
Lmao. A woman into video-games is an asian chick who plays valorant and e-whores. Not someone you can talk to about metroidbrainias and 4x games. Just look for a normie woman and keep the video games private. A girlfriend doesn't & shouldn't need to share your interests, just match your disposition. Cooking classes don't belong to women either, that's fucking retarded

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How do you get rid of an acne cyst on your face?
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Dermatologist. Like, $30.

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What do you do with normie friends who don't share any of your interests, don't drink, and don't like going out, as in doing random stuff like bowling or exploring abandoned places. Especially if it's someone who doesn't really seem to have interests apart from work, talking about their OCD about germs, and taking walks. Yes I have no other friends and no I'm not any better I assume. I'm more nerdy and also more open to the idea of going out together.
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>>35087215
>I've noticed that during my life me going up to someone to talk never resulted in them liking me or starting a friendship
nta but same. everyone has approached me and then became friends with me, so its really hard as an adult seeing how people (mostly) stop doing that. the most socially successful people have some form of almost gravitational pull which makes others "orbit" them, i have come to the conclusion that its because they have something other people want. ironically, thats friends for the most part, and the people who are able to enter their orbit also have friends, so its kind of a catch 22 for weirdos without friends. there may be some merit to getting really good at a skill or hobby, you need something to get your foot in the door, but honestly im not good with people so idk, also i've never liked the "friends" ive had, or people in general
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>>35087215
>Friend just wants to basically hang out at either of our places and do nothing but talk.

Wait thats what I like doing. I mean usually we go to a bar to do this but its really just talking. Is that bad? Am I boring?
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>>35087581
I wasn't saying it's bad, but that I find it boring when the only allowed topics seem to be how life is going, and routines. Personally I prefer to talk about things me and the other person are into, interests or hobbies. I don't mind also talking about life stories and stuff like that, but it gets boring when the other person stops engaging when you try to talk about anything like music, books, video games, even cooking, and feels like you're only allowed to talk about small talk stuff like work.
>>35087545
We are the same then, I notice the same thing in people who have lots of friends. I'm good at a creative skill but it's something that doesn't offer much use to other people, not even easy entertainment value like playing an instrument for example. I also feel like everyone else has this "i already have enough friends" attitude, it's tough.
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>>35087607
you are probably just autistic, normies like drama and gossip, its their whole lives, its how they relate to one another. the reason why the people you approach brush you off is because you dont approach them with something *they* find interesting, information essentially. next time, identify someone who doesnt seem well liked, pick apart their behaviour and find something "weird," offer the normie group a favour (taking their shift, doing the tough part of the job, compliment, etc), then slide in the observation you made, try not to make it seem forced and make it as if they thought about it first, this will almost instantly gain their trust (or it could have the potential to backfire). this is just how they are, you try to start with hobbies or interests but no one cares about that crap, everyone exists on a low state of consciousness until proven otherwise
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>>35087607
Oh ok. I try to talk to my friends about anything and everything they're doing. Personal stuff can be the most meaningful, but its not always the most fun, so if it doesn't flow twoards that I wont force it.

But anyways to answer your question, I've got like one normie friend that I don't have any interests in common with at all. like he likes Golf and sports and doesn't like music so we don't have any common interests. But when we hang out like we just get along really well, so we just talk and joke and drink we don't really do any activities together.

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>love drawing
>love running and hitting the gym
>do accounting in college
>tfw too normie for artsy girls
>tfw too artsy for athletic girls
>tfw too lazy for career girls
I am in this weird in-between where I am not committed enough to the gym so I could land a gymgirl. At the same time I love drawing, anime and manga but I am too much of a normie and have a good physique so the weird fat arthoe/weeb girls also fall out of range.
Who am I supposed to date? No girl is attracted to me.
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>>35086012
> Just settle
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>>35085965
Cast a wide net often in the area where you know your type is. Fishing in the middle of a rain puddle will not yield the results you want.

Relationships are lotteries. Too often people have a few bad experiences and then curse the world. You are not entitled to a good partner, you must earn it. Grind for it.

Spend a lot of time reflecting on what you want and understanding if what you want would even want you or if you can become the person desirable to your ideal type. Research where these people congregate, spend time there.

In the grind you will get burned, you will get burnt out, you will lose hope. You will need time off to recollect your thoughts and not permanently fall into despair. Remember your research, remember it's a number game. Keep trying.
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>>35085965
You don't date by "interest" because it's all shallow posturing in the end.

>Who am I supposed to date? No girl is attracted to me.

Ok so date the fugly girl that nobody else wants.
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>>35085965
loving manga and anime is not artsy it's loser nerd shit separate from arthoes
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You could get any of them OP.

Clearly very few people on this forum know but having hobbies, interests, and goals you’re working towards are exactly all you need to get a girl. Here’s how:

At school, gym, art club, track event , public, talk to girls about anything neutral and in the process mention these areas of your life in conversation. If she asks a question, she’s on the hook. Keep it up and display yourself so she’ll know. Get her number and follow up next day. That’s it

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I'm a young man with autism, high-functioning. I can do everything I need to in life to have decent things, I've graduated school, worked jobs, and even dated. Despite this, my life is still hell because of something I cannot control. I'm just strange and unnerving and I can't really help it, it's apparently super visible to most people I come across. I shake constantly, can never keep my hands or body still, can barely hold eye contact and look natural, my delivery on responses in interactions is often poorly timed or toned. I'm not completely unaware to social cues, so I notice small things people do to treat me different from others. I am, at best, a very nervous and polite guy, though some people (esp closer to my age) just treat me like I'm retarded. How do I get better at appearing normal?
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>>35087262
masking is kind of a meme, just do your best to come across relaxed and have good hygeine, and if you're not sure how something will be taken in a situation just don't say anything.
masking too hard just ends up being read as uncanney valley and creeping people out, find autists to socialize with naturally outside of work.

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looking at the news (and internet "news") i think i'm wasting my life by giving my youth to my bf. it seems 100% true at this point that women who gave their youth to their man always get cheated on once the woman becomes old, so i realized i'm ruining my future by giving my youth to him instead of using my youth to get things and advance my own life.

how do i darktriadmaxx as a woman? i don't want to escort but cheating with a rich man who gives you nice things and access to high-income circles would be nice, things like that which at this point i have no clue about (yet).

i don't even have any social media, made the stupid choice to try and be a ""good girl"". would making a social media account like insta with thirst traps be a good first step? i'm only good at art but not good enough to become famous or anything, so i'd rather use my looks and the fact i have masculine interests except art .
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>>35087494
Give it a rest man, you lost. Just become like every other schizo on this board, let the bait die, then repost it again a few days later. You might have better luck next time.
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>>35087494
I'm curious why you're such a loser and so desperate for attention that you'd pose as a woman saying things no biological* woman (we don't use the abbreviation "bio," that's a tranny thing, thanks for tipping your hand again) would ever know or say
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>>35087499
now i've just gotten curious why does it think that, but you're prolly right. nobody else has gotten this obsessed when i've made a thread on 4chan lol.
>>35087509
hey tranny now i know you won't even answer my simple ass question, you are bait.
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Post tits or gtfo.
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>>35087410
Then why drag yourself down to the same level as them? Having a family with you is equally not worth it since you intend to cheat too. Just stay single if you can't find or be a decent parent for your kids

>>35087434
I can entertain hypothetical scenarios too and point out how ridiculous they are.

Even since I been born I was exposed massively to pornography and sexually flirted by men and women to the point of my autistic ass thinking explicit and weird shit is normal. I developed a hypersexuality brain from the amount of times I was being hurt and seeing other friends getting hurt to the point that when I was a adult the mindset didn't leave for a while. I ended up hurting online and I was just wondering if it's a better idea to just get myself arrested for my horrible acts I did to this one person or die, or if I should even forgive and figure out a way how to get better when everyone I cared about rightfully left me.

When I met the person I hurt it was in a fucking horrid ass roblox server that's still running that had like a constant problem with people being stupidly sexual with others and it was there that I'm sure I was exposed to CSAM cause of some fucking weirdo I met when I was still a kid and it fucked me up. Also got flirted on alot by adults so I just got mentally fucked thinking these behaviors were ok. I met a person who was doing commissions and she was sexual too even when I told her no, and tried to suicide before I was a adult when I wasn't helping her mental problems. I know I shouldn't have fucking kept talking to her now and she's been my biggest regret. Every time I wanted to not engage sexually after she would get sad and also flirt, and eventually I just caved and I ended up doing horrid things. I always regretted it and I accepted that she's going to keep stalking and finding me until something's done, so I'm wondering if I should die, self report myself, or just keep trying to live and where the fuck I can talk about the like thousands of childhood horror stories so I can not have this hypersexual tumor stuck in my head.
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>>35081534
There's a tonne of youse, like this guy >>35072077 although you've acted on it towards other people. Can't you make amends with the person you "hurt" (you still haven't said what you did, from what it sounds you didn't even do anything it was the other who was forcing you to do things)
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>>35081664
So, don't pick a career involving minors. That's the only restriction. Not everybody has to be saintly. Just don't hurt people and be kind to those around you. Even that is too rare in the world.
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>>35081717
Im sure they really dont want to hear any amends I can give, no matter how genuine I am. And to be blunt I was like asking this person for a commission cause I saw their art, and after this person got sexual and sent NSFW of themself, we both had a history of esex, i got uncomfortable from the amount of sex and therapy that I was giving them, they tried to kill themselves and left a suicide note before I turned into a adult (the reason I wanted to stop the sex and therapy), and from then I felt like if I wasnt doing sexual shit or lifting their spirits they would self harm or attempt again. It doesn't excuse the depravity I did but it keeps me up for years on end. Now they're semi motivated on keeping tabs and destroying any friendship and it keeps me thinking "is me being free hurting them"
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>>35081751
Sounds like they were the ones being manipulative and coercive, and are equally to "blame", or even more responsible because they were the ones not respecting your boundaries most of the time. Just because one of you was 17.95 years old doesn't suddenly absolve the responsibility
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>>35081707
Been thinking about this and like, I have done as much good as I can. I helped others out with money problems and I remember once having to weigh my moral dilemma of being a hypocrite and listening to a kid at the time who was being harassed by a ex-friend of mine rather than that friend since it seemed like he was never changing and deciding to go sexual. I think about that alot and still sort of just have that feeling that even the good actions I do wouldnt matter. I still will probably do as good as I can but under a sense of dread. Not sure if that's a healthy outlook on what I should gather from all this, its good to hear other opinions and thoughts though.

Ever be the girlfriend of a gentle non-martial artist guy of average fitness, bespectacled, doesn't know how to fight or defend himself, but is very kind, makes $200k AUD annually at a tech job, and has an 8/10 face, with a head full of hair ?
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Stop trying the throw MORE MONEY at the problem like a weird simp. You're just going to continue to get ignored and disrespected by these ladies.
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Honestly curious: why would you want a wife who could kick your ass at will? She won't respect you.
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>>35085566
Because OP is faggot and a spammer.
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>>35079596
>bespectacled,
I can't say, but I can tell you that she isn't going to date the type of nasally voiced allergy ridden nerd who unironically uses terms like these, and thinks that it matters.
Unless you have the shittiest taste in glasses imagineable, nobody gives a remote fuck

t. has been doing martial arts for a decade and can't see his own nose without glasses
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>>35087052
I SAYETH, LET THE BESPECTACLED MAN BE SPECTACULARETH

I like how when you remind somebody of their own shortcomings you are now a cursed of harassment. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

anyone here with stories how they got out of it?
what did you do?
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>>35075534
>>35075558
something doesn't add up here
so you worked a
>cushy pharmaceutical job as a CAD designer in a rural area
then were let go, then you turned 18, then your parents bought you a company?
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>>35082620
Stop noticing things
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>>35072538
I live in a garage. Its cheap.
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>>35083167
Do you live close to the equator? How do you take a shower? And how do you cook? Do you have any photos you're willing to share, that sounds interesting
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if you did not got out of the rat race, did you made a borderline stupid decision that brought you some satisfaction, so that you did not care anymore about your debts and work?

Grew up in a shitty home (parents fought 24/7, bad marriage). I have been struggling with mental health issues (depression) since 16 year old (now 26). I dropped out from HS for 3 years and then returned later, and struggled for the first two years at uni, so I am still a uni student. Last year though.
I never had friends IRL, literally. Today I was walking in the campus alone and I was waiting for my lecture to start, I had nothing to do so I kept walking back and forth. Everyone else was talking with their friends, walking in pairs, etc. but I was on my own, so campus security stopped me and had to check my university ID to confirm I belonged there.
It wasn't a big deal - it took 3 seconds of presenting my ID and then they let me go, but the fact I am painfully lonely stung me a bit.
I won't make friends at uni - too late now, plus they're hyper-supermaxxed normie for me to enjoy being around. I am a recognizable face, since my college isn't that large, and I am probably known as the lonely autist.
The girls are so extroverted, they smoke, and have large friend groups. I can't see myself being able to socialize with one of them. My only chance is to find my looks/personality-match, but I don't even know if that girl exists.
What to do?
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>>35086009
>>35086015
AI :( I guess my situation is beyond fixing
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>>35086023

The Reality of Your Situation

• University is a bubble: The specific "extroverted, smoking, large group" archetype you see on campus is highly visible, but it is not a reflection of the entire world.
• The "Lonely Autist" label is a projection: Because you feel isolated, it is easy to assume everyone else is analyzing you and labeling you. In reality, most college students are hyper-focused on their own stress, classes, and phones. You are likely far more anonymous than you think.
• Your timeline is shifted, not broken: You started late due to mental health and family struggles. That isn’t a failure; it’s a medical and situational delay.

Finding Your "Match" (The Girls Who Exist)

You asked if your looks/personality-match even exists. Yes, she absolutely exists. There are millions of neurodivergent, introverted, or low-energy women who also grew up in difficult homes, struggle with depression, hate loud social scenes, and are currently sitting in their rooms wishing they could find someone exactly like you.
However, you won't find them running in mainstream campus circles because, just like you, they are hiding from that specific environment.
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>>35086030

Actionable Next Steps

Since campus socialization feels closed off and unappealing, your goal should be transitioning your focus to life after graduation while building small bridges now.
• Target niche, low-stimulus environments: If you want to try one last time near campus, look for places where neurodivergent or highly introverted people naturally gather. This includes tabletop gaming clubs, anime/manga societies, robotics or coding clubs, and quiet corners of the university library (like the archives).
• Shift to specialized online communities: Look for spaces dedicated to introverts, neurodivergent dating/friendship, or specific hobbies you enjoy. Finding people who communicate like you do online can take the pressure off face-to-face masking.
• Pivot to your post-grad transition: You are in your final year. The university chapter is almost over. Focus your energy on securing a job or path after graduation. The adult world is much larger, less cliquey, and offers independent spaces where you can seek out communities that fit your exact personality.
• Prioritize your depression management: A decade of depression warps your perception of your own worth and what is possible. If you aren't already, utilize your university's student health services before you graduate to speak with a therapist who understands neurodivergence and childhood trauma.
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>>35085999
If you're autistic you're stuck that way until you die, there is no cure. I wish there was one but it doesn't exist. All you can do is manage your symptoms, life is never going to be easy.
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>>35085999
Therapy anon, you might be locked onto a retarded pov from your imagination and just need help to realize how wrong you are

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since i was 18 (now 24) i have only wished to only eat wtv is around and sleep and maybe have wifi to doomscroll, thats it
yeah i can have some dreams to have "a" nice car, big home wtv wtv but i dont really care i think im retarded my brain gets actually tried when i try to think about the future i kinda just wanna cry (sorry for sobmaxxing/venting)

tldr idk why im not trying to be normal or nice i wanna have the will and the dreams, idk why im dead


not to be weird but i wanted to be homeless and leave my family and just be alone (idk if thats related to my question or not but i constantly just think i wish i wasnt born/dead, maybe im depressed? but for 6 years? idk
im not on anything i barely have enough energy to post this or talk to u people

hopefullyh i find someone who went thru the same thing so while i was writing this post, one thing i remembered that i find happiness in watching porn... thats probably it, and as sad as this sounds but maybe ejaculating and post gooning or wtv makes me feel kinda elated and wholesome ig? idk
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Some people need to cast away their free will and be given a task or goal to set them toward the right path. The "you can be whatever you set your mind to" thing kinda falls short when you're not given any direction. You're still young enough to be given a goal you wanna work toward because yes your lack of direction and being stuck in your head all the time will turn you towards just giving up and not doing anything at all and wanting to leave everyone around you as to not disappoint them or become a burden to them. Life is just boring like that. You wouldn't survive being homeless there's unironically layers to being hungry and cold and you'll learn the difference between being tired and what real fatigue is fighting for your life every day in the streets. There's no "normal" just find something that you can stomach waking up to every day that allows you to comfortably have time for your hobbies. Take a career test and just autistically strive towards whatever is suggested and things will start falling into place once you have a goal, responsibilities, and things worth losing/worth fighting for. Follow one of your parents' careers too if you want some accountability.
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>>35085675
I think im just depressed i talked to someone today and they made me feel kinda welcomed and wanted, i got better slightly and the incentive to have a normal life came back
I would be kind of a lazy fuck if i made my well being dependent on others being here for me but yeah idk i really do need to be accepted i miss that feeling I think i live for it and u get depressed when i realize no one is coming and nothing matters

Sorry for intertwining my problems together

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for context i have a known family history of severe depression, alcoholism and i and some of my other family members have bpd. im working with a dbt therapist to try and work out my issues with bpd and so far ive been able to suppress my limerance so i dont become infatuated with someone i barely know and then switch back around to neglecting them but i still have a ways to go. ive also had multiple suicide attempts. i wont be having anymore because i cant legally buy a gun and every other suicide method is too risky for me to want to try so im doing my best to live an enjoyable life to the fullest. because of my mental illnesses, im starting to swear off ever starting a family. i never asked to be born and i dont want to pass that burden onto my kid. that and we should probably remove people with bpd from the gene pool.

the only thing is whenever i think about what it might be like to have a family or i see pictures of my parents with me when i was really little sometimes i start to cry, realizing im missing out on one of the most wonderful experiences in all of humanity. i dont want to adopt because i want to continue my family tree but at the same time i dont want to continue my family tree because i have way too many demons i dont want to pass down.

maybe this is a bad question to ask on the cynical incel basket weaving forum but am i being too cynical or am i pragmatic? im going to find mourning the loss of my unborn child extremely hard but at the same time i dont want to blow up their life and bring them into the world when i know what might happen to their brain.
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>>35086561
the thing is, it is for me. i like hrt so far and im excited to see it work more. thats what makes it so tough, i want to actualize who i want to be but i dont want to miss out on one of the most impactful experiences of one's life. its like half social pressure and half just generally a nice thought. its hard to know what ill want when im 40, 50 or 60 because i havent thought that far ahead up until recently when i actually decided i wanted to live past 40. a decision i made based off doing hrt and it making me more comfortable in my own skin. its just a really, really tough battle and i hope you dont take this as me trying to endlessly argue the point. im just so torn between these two things.

one thing that helps is i think of hrt as a low risk, medium reward option and not doing hrt as a high risk, high reward option. ive always been safe and pragmatic so i think its more true to me to take the low risk life that brings me happiness still rather than playing with fire and taking on the high risk option and it potentially blowing up in my face. ill leave that as my final rebuttal, i dont want this back and forth to go on forever. both of our time is more valuable than that.
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>>35086561
by the way, thank you for having a cordial, thoughtful dialogue about this with me. i appreciate you giving a measured response. it helps put things into perspective and challenge notions i have.
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>>35086442
Thank you for letting me know it was thought provoking, I hoped it was! I was also raised catholic and I am a gay man, so I would suggest you question that as well e.g. do you want religion for structure, to teach morality, for the child to have a relationship with god or spirituality. But if you do chose to go down that path there are plenty of interpretations of the bible that are inclusive of gay people. I personally do not believe it is compatible with christianity, I think if you're reading and subscribing to the text in earnest the god described is pretty prejudical and sadistic, but you're also building a highly important core of your life around a self-contradictory religious text.

In your responses here you reflect why you may feel shame about having kids or concerns for the welfare of the children but you're not expressing a positive desire to have children, why you might want children. Being gay or trans or nonbinary is a normal part of existing as an animal, some of the animals at a normal rate have differences because nature isn't perfect, which is why we have sexual reproduction in the first place - for genetic diversity. This isn't to say it is genetic, I'm saying it's a normal feature of being an animal that develops from genes, like how we have a "normal" rate of intersex people because we have 2 sexes and they are developed organically, so occasionally the wiring gets messy and you get intersex people at a regular ("normal") small rate in any population. I share this because your default state is not something to be ashamed of, similar to how although nudity is societally deemed as sexual or shameful, it's actually the default setting and the clothes are the non-nornmative thing. Nothing to be embarassed about, it's literally the body you find yourself in.

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I will respond to this in next response, comment too long.
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>but like i said, i want a hypothetical kid of mine to have a traditional mother and father. not mother/father and some weird half tranny thing thatll get them mercilessly bullied for.
You need to define which role you wish to play in this traditionalist parenting structure if you want to adhere to traditional gender norms. I can't really give that to you, and if you want two out of accordance things you have to decide what is more important to you, you cannot go to two different parties at the same night - this is part of what makes the choices meaningful because you decide what your priorities are: is truth or normativity more important to you? If you want to end bullying is hiding in the shadows and teaching this to your children the right means to do that? Part of parenting will be loss of control inherently around the child you care for and you have no choice but to respect that before you involve another person (the child). Your views on traditional gender roles may be a byway for other values like respect and family that don't actually relate to how you express.

I would also like to share that as a cis gay man, I find that trans and gender or sex non-normative people especially online, tend to overemphasize adherence to gender normativity and roles that is very much out of accordance with the cis experience. Everyone is very different and I never think about my identity as a man in the sense of "am i masculine enough, is this traditional man behavior, is this act too feminine" because it's who I am not other's fleeting thoughts, what matters is my masculinity. What matters is how you show up for your sex or gender identity today, like my grandmother's short hair does not relate to my viewing of her as a woman, we are not litmus testing our sex because it simply is. I show up to knitting as a man, it does not determine me. You can be traditional and gender non conforming.
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>>35086442
i want kids but i think that's just probably my lust speaking and not anything really concrete so maybe i don't want them. i do also tear up at family pictures like and stuff like you did though. shame we have to live this life but it is how it is, i personally can't have kids genetically and i don't find women attractive so i think there's nothing for me to do but just try and live out the rest of my life the best i can

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Is there any actual way to get a job involving children as a single adult male? Seems impossible, even if you're neurotypical
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Sure, but I don't want to help you.
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Yes. Male daycare workers exist.
>how
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