The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.Previous thread: >>7946810Some resources:/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asgBooks:Understanding Comicshttps://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/Making Comicshttps://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255dComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>7957093last thing I expected today was a fill from an OC thread from 2022, I appreciate it.
>>7957119>>7957154yeah im covering these so the page doesn't get flagged/blurred when I advertise it. that happened to alot of the chapter 18 pages, and the chapter 19 cover. I don't need to show nip every time this form appears ether.
>>7956642I'm too slow, I don't think I'll make it for the deadline. Fuck my stupid life
>>7957210Don't sweat it. You still get practice in and once the next contest rolls around you have a comic loaded and ready to go.
>>7957155>OC thread from 2022Damn time flies... Also thanks for the drawing too! She is reminding me of an actress(or a singer) but I forgot the name
>try to draw a chick flick comic that appeals to women>mostly male characters doing things that should appeal to women>bunch of MMA fighters punching eachother and wanting to be the strongest>some came from rough backgrounds and are ex convicts, with flashbacks about their time in prison>the main characters have like 2-3 girlfriends and fwbs each whom they pick up and carry like war prizes>one of the characters befriends a stray cat, showing his sweet soft side, which women apparently like>men bullying eachother and then weightlifting in the gym with tears streaming down their faces, talking about how they can get stronger and better>male characters balance becoming strong enough to beat up other men without scaring the women away and showing they still have a soft side>drawings of men in locker rooms with water running down their muscular, scarred bodies as they think about the girl that got away who they would've given up their harems for>500 subscribers on patreon>only one is a woman and she is trans
>>7955671put it on webtoons first and foremost. second look up famous series that have a largely female audience. third combine those tropes with something you would actually enjoy drawing.
>>7955585this picture leaves more questions than answers
>>7955700isn't this basically every comic that features vivian james (except the ugly person is just saying something vaguely progressive)
>>7956134that last part is a requirement for all stories worth your time btw
>>7955671draw horse fucking woman... that's it.
A place to spam one billion low effort sketches
>>7953409so carrot knife or carrot gun would be more appropriate?
>Basic programshttps://opentoonz.github.io/e/https://www.synfig.org/https://motorpen.comhttps://tupitube.com/https://youtube.com/shorts/b4t-bS6zdUo?si=y1oY-ZGhK9Vzw6ZD>Where should (you) start?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDqjIdI4bF4&t=674s [Embed] [Embed] [Open]https://www.mediafire.com/file/cqz7iwex4mtzidu/ <---- [The Animator's Survival Kit *Video* course]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuNW9vLUxu4 <---- [The Animator's Survival Kit *Video* course]http://www.animatorisland.com/51-great-animation-exercises-to-master/https://bitey.com/pages/fx <---- [2D effects animation course:]>Resources, Reference and SuchComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>7953441the poop on his dick really ruins that animation
>>7957109tableguy, stop
>>7956985This is amazing, and whatever blog you have, I hope the movie brings you lots of followers and shit
>>7956985I have a question, how do you animate gradients? or am i wrong?
I feel like something is wrong with the arm/hand here, but for the life of me I can't figure out what. Does anyone have advice? Even if that advice is that I'm wrong and it's fine.
Unfinished alternative
>>7956669I liked the more dramatic lighting of the first one. And the deltoids are still too small relative to the trapezoids
>>7956669soulless photocopy 2bh
>>7951983its not small enough.
How about lighting like this?
Post some inspoArt you likeArt you loveArt that inspires you
>>7954706what's her flow?
Gustave Doré
>>7955374>>7942365I know we're just talking art we like here but how many posters on /ic/ are -actually- inspired by old illustrators like Dorè?Like, I've never seen anyone post art or even studies that look like they want to make pieces similar to them
ITT: Post your work and your socials
>>7954963>Been drawing for some time, trying to improve.Look at the light hitting the rocks and how it effects the color, now look at your drawing, I think you kind of did it but I would push it more towards that pinkish hue.Also who's the guy in the rocks?
>>7956571Surprised you noticed him, kek (it's Trent Reznor).
>>7956624Where the fuck is trent
Would but my instagram is attached to my name
Hey there fellas.Back at it again with the drawings.https://x.com/VTCric
General dedicated to posting and discussing art of either:1. Manmade objects, vehicles, tool, weapons etc. (of any kind and any historical era, as long as they fall in the ballpark of "technology") and fictional derivatives of such2. Objects,vehicles, creatures etc. that aesthetically fall into the visual space of mecha/robot/artificial/cybernetics etc. regardless of level of realism.Helpful to mention the level of realism, if any, you are taking into account in the art.
>>7717291yet another schematic i'll only finish halfway.
>>7950371I'm pretty bad at it too, pic related. What does your stuff look like? I don't really plot anything out exactly, I try to eyeball+freehand it, probably shows lol. I suppose it also depends on how accurate you're trying to be. I usually try to think in a mix of 1) general style I want to go for + imitating artists I like 2) trying to think out how it would actually work (even if it's fake/impossible/whatever), "form follows function" type of stuff, referencing details from real machines, scale, etc. I find the 'smoosh 3d shapes together' thing only really helps for very basic blocking out and maybe plotting out shadows, beyond that it's not very helpful.
Stop recommending drawabox Nobody likes it and it just burns out beginner artists Beginner artists shouldn't even care about taking any "courses" whatsoever until they've been drawing for at least 6 months You'd be lucky to even learn something from drawabox. The whole thing is needlessly tedious and forces artists to do something they don't understand because the jeet owner thinks that somehow helps them
>>7948941>he needs to draw boxes and use construction to make a draftNGMIhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/lF7CqTbkLLU
>>7957043>Show's a person using construction Huh.
>>7957043gouache gods
>>7948539>The whole thing is needlessly tediousThis. Extremely tedious for how little it teaches.
>>7957166I didn't see no boxes or cylinders
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I like the other schizo better. The pixel art guy
Why does modern "serious" western animation tend to have such bland art styles? I'm not talking about stuff that's the equivalent of mediocre seasonal anime, even some of the most praised examples and "hidden gems" tend to play it safe purely visually speaking, pic related>Adult Sci-Fi show inspired by the likes of Serial Experiment Lain, Ergo Proxy and Texhnolyze>Has the blandest pseudo faux-anime/serious cartoon art style imaginable similar to Vox Machina or Invincible instead of looking anything like it's influences
>>7957137I don't think you can really use Edd, Ed, n' Eddy as an example of western animation. Anything that comes out now is riffing on Avatar almost exclusively. It's very much just anime that's not good at being anime.Apart from the Family Guy-likes and the universally ugly Adult Swim specials.
>>7957143The problem with post-ATLA/TLOK stuff is that it wants to LOOK like anime while not following the design/animation principles. Less frames, strong emphasis on key frames, detailed designs, dynamic lighting, dynamic shot compositions to cover up the lack of frames, etc.Instead we get designs with an awkward amount of detailing that are expected to be animated more than your typical anime design, so things end up wonky and the lack of interesting lighting and shot compositions make things worse.That's not even getting into the lack of cultural resonancy: most American cartoons are rooted in American culture and Christianity, so everyone walks and talks American and echoes American things. Japanese anime is rooted in Buddhism and Japanese culture.So the recent American stuff is like some kind of skinwalker going "look, I look like anime" but they don't really and underneath the hood is still a cartoon.
>>7956984Sure, Europe is big into manga, but when did that happen, and when did it overtake superman? 80's? 90's? 00's? 10's?Regardless, you're being pedantic, since it was besides the point, which was about sales =/= quality.>>7956987>In terms of pure animation quality, detail, smoothness, etc, I've simply never seen a non-movie western animation that matches to random shitty romcoms I've seen, nevermind actual high-quality anime.>SmoothnessThen you just haven't watched much. Anime for a long time was parodied for it's choppiness and lack of production quality, and indeed the animation was noticeably choppier until around... mid-way through the 10's? Look at how enter the spiderverse and others are copying 'anime style animation' by making their animation choppier. Even now, I suspect that anime's animation is still choppier, but I just can't notice it anymore because I've gotten used to it.Regardless, the original claim was:>Western animation has just never been that great outside of a select few films tbqh.Which ignores the looney tunes, Flecher cartoons, All of the original Disney shorts too, etc. etc. I just think what was said is wrong.I'm not saying western cartoons are better than Anime, or that Western cartoons output is so high quality that you can't compare it unfavourably to anime, I just think it's an obvious bias to claim that western cartoons were 'never good' bar a few films.Like I said, it also just shows a complete lack of willingness to even try to engage with western cartoons just a little, since there's still great stuff coming out, even if it's not at the number of great stuff coming from anime.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>7957157>Anime for a long time was parodied for it's choppiness and lack of production quality, and indeed the animation was noticeably choppier until around... mid-way through the 10's?Not the anon you're replying to, but this argument is a pet peeve of mine.It's disingenuous to compare animation frame rates of tv and OVAs to theatrical shorts and movies. The difference in budget, in the sense of both money and length of production, can be between tens to hundreds of times. On a drawing per dollar basis, even if we equalized pay, anime has a far better return.Second, this might trigger some people, but actual western TV animation has *never* been good. Not for a lack of talent, but because feature length-style full animation has never been economically feasible on TV. US studios adopted limited animation very quickly. Limited animation has a specific meaning here - it's animating bodies in pieces, like a puppet. Everything is a reusable asset. So it's actually impossible to have a fair apples to apples comparison on frame rates, because western productions do not use full drawings. Anime still did.The Japanese and American approaches to low frame rate, low budget animation is actually worth discussing. But basically the American approach was limited animation that served as the basis of modern rigged animation. The Japanese instead poured their energy into changing the way inbetweens are done. If I could make a video game analogy, western animation is like a game that runs at 60fps, but has fewer polygons and all effects turned off. Anime runs at 20, but on a high polygon count and has motion blur turned on.
>>7957122>Tumblr noseThis was true ten years ago. Artists don't draw like that anymore, the hip new thing right now is the Y2K style like picrel
Is it a bad thing if I use ai generated images for references
>>7956906>meaning muscles, bone, what have youthat's what anatomy is, there's no lower level anatomy than thatwhy the fuck would you need a reference for proportions, are you retarded?
>>7956378holy projection
>>7956172Nah i've been using it to plan my future career
>>7956576Kek
>>7957090I like how zooming in you can tell how fucked and copypaste that shit is
After analyzing many artists I follow, I started to notice this weird correlation. It is almost like the more you draw, the better you are at drawing. That can't be...
"The more you draw, the better you get" advice is obvious and true, but there's a caveat to it;you need to actually push yourself when drawing. If you just draw the same old thing over and over, there's going to be little development, if any at all.You can't expect to draw muscular men well, when all you do is draw waif women.You'll need to push yourself, try other styles, other topics, other drawing methods.
>>7956734drawing 30 mins once a week to every couple of months doesn't mean shit, anon.
>>7957262I think people just don't realize that over time the amount of time you put into art begins to ramp up. 30 minutes used to feel miserable. Now I can easily do 4 hours of study before getting to actually drawing what I want to do (usually incorporating things from my study) which can take anywhere from a couple hours to even longer if I get particularly motivated. I've worked up to this though because I can easily recall a time where I felt miserable just sitting there doing what felt like nothing.
>>7957266>I think people just don't realize that over time the amount of time you put into art begins to ramp upthat's the biggest factor. People would blame their "lack of" talent for their skills, when it's more of them not actually drawing. All these tutorials and guides means fuck all if you don't even draw in the first place to utilize it. I'm sure you seen many post from artist online that would gloat or say they don't want to do studies because it's "too hard" or "boring".
>>7957069Practice isn't a sufficient condition for improvement. Preserving mental health and intelligence is far more important. Thus stay away from dopamine rapists like social media and narcissists (catecholamine autotoxicity).
Is it any good? Does it lag with all the fancy dynamics?
>>7956968Tradfags aren't pretending to be digifags lol
It's kinda funny how easily people who don't paint fall for gimmicks and convince themselves it resembles trad, it's like boomers not recognizing AI
Why do traditional anons get so mad? Of course the digital is not as good as the original, but the point is not to be. It is to emulate the mixing and textures better than your common digital software. And it is good. This is not a replacement tool, it is just giving more tools for artists when doing digital.
The pretentious elitism in this thread is ridiculous. Are you that threatened by the existence of this software? Lmfao, like holy shit there is no way this isn't just a troll trying to get people riled up because there is nobody that should be this invested in the conversation. You're actively walking into this thread to get angry lmfao
this software is comfy
Where do you archive your art if not google? I'm worried this will happen to me. I've already had a previous google account suspended for uploading art but I still use their platform
>>7946553I have an external SSD drive on which I save my shit regularly
>>7946655I have a NASI can tell you as a fact an external harddrive is more "secure" since it's unplugged and less at risk of being infected or wipeda NAS is more responsive, so it can be continuously backing up your folders and if anything happens to the drive locally you'll have a very up-to-date backup but it's less safe to a virus or ransomware attack
>>7947840He said he uploaded the manuscript of an old published manga, so it could've ended up in a database The problem here being that Google is treating fictional works the same as real scam by keeping hashed databases of them
>>7946558a 1 TB sandisk SSD is about $100 last time i checked, although i bought mine during COVID and it was like $400 lmao.MEGA is good for file-sharing big APNGs but i'd never use cloud storage for anything i wasn't prepared to lose permanently.
>>7956545they have AI for detecting porn now, hashes are more accurate but less flexible because rotating an image 10 degrees or adding static can usually beat a hash.wouldn't be surprised if google drive has a blanket NSFW ban too. if that's the case, then the AI can be even simpler.
