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I know not a single branch got it due to politics.

How well would it have sold worldwide?
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Welcome back, F-20 Tigershark.
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>>65441551 Temu sure make an ugly Tigershark knock off.
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>>65442067
You mean Grumman.
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>>65442079
retard
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>>65437068
Range is shit

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When you don't need stealth in the skies anymore.
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>>65442512
Depends is this Amy or Andrew?
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>>65441584
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>>65443503
That, is the art of Roy Cross.
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>>65441584
When air denial beats air superiority
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHsSZ7lUvKM

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It seems a lot of the anti gun people I've discussed or debated to about guns and their necessity, ultimately, their problem always seems to stem from fear of guns

Their talking points

>guns cause the most violence and victims
>they can go off and kill anyone around you easily
>the US's crime is because of guns
>you like guns cause it's in your nature as a culture

Their points always sound like a scared kid saying them.
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>>65400837
most of the people who hate guns wouldn't trust themselves with one because they know they are retarded, sloppy and emotional, that's literally it.
they're too dumb to handle guns and know it, so nobody else should be allowed to have them because admitting a large portion of the population is simply smarter and has better self-control/discipline than you is very insulting to the ego.
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>>65400837
>Their talking points

1. Ignorance. Many have zero experience with firearms.
2. Cowardice. Many are too cowardly to defend themselves or their communities. Banning guns give them an excuse to pass off the defensive role to the "professionals" with firearms.
3. Projection. Many project their own lack of self control to others and think that people are incapable of making sound decisions with firearms.

They are little more than cattle that want to be tended to by the state, and they expect and demand you join the herd as well. Never will.
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>>65442665
Gun bans don't stop mass casualty events, they just turn them into sword/axe/knife/bomb/truck of peace events instead of shootings. Picrel: today.
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>>65442665
>/noncredibledefense
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>>65443205
>Several wounded vs 10 dead is the same

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My birthday is coming up and I'm thinking about purchasing myself a new firearm. This is what I'm considering:
>tp9
>hk mk23
>sp5
>sp5k
>aug
>beretta silver pigeon
>a nice AR build
>colt python
I don't really care about "practicality" or whatever since this would just be a range toy. The Beretta would obviously be for clays. What should I get and why? Alternatively, what should I eliminate from the list?
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>>65441773
>As someone who has never heard of this, what the fuck is this from?
SA
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sp5 > sp5k
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>>65442873
Wasn't it an /a/ meme at first?
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>>65440483
>The old ones are made of cheese-grade "steel", and they wear out and start losing timing after an embarrassingly low number of rounds.
This. I had a 1979 Python and while it's a great shooter (I got it that way), I've had to take it in for repairs twice.
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>>65440404
Henry lever action .22

new Russian refueling plane rolled out, and while some online claims point to China as the buyer, the contract that's actually confirmed is with Algeria.

https://defence-blog.com/new-russian-tanker-aircraft-rolls-out-algeria-contract-cited/
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>>65439569
>Egypt has a decent air force, lot of rafale, they're getting some chinese planes too.
Egypt does not have a decent air force.
Not only are their planes barely adequate, but they don't get viable missiles because of Israel.
They were trying to become a real air force by purchasing Su35 jets with R77 missiles, but then the US/Israel stepped into to prevent that.
Also Egyptians are some of the worst soldiers the world has to offer.
The Chinese planes are their only hope and they are getting them because the Rafale are deliberately gimped.
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Xinnie the Pooh's loyalty test make his military weak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jad_Sfy32L0
What's the point of the best equipment if the people operating them have to worry about their politicial official dobbing them in?
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>>65441400
>Su35 jets with R77 missiles
isn't the R-37 the best missile?
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The Vodka Burner is rolling.
https://youtu.be/ZyvY2GK9B3M
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>>65439988
>>65439995
If anything, buying tankers for long range operations instead of tanks for parade is a sign that Algeria means business.

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Low Altitude Stalking And Strike Ordnance (LASSO) is a US army kamikaze drone program started in 2023
>https://www.smgconferences.com/documentPortal/speakerPres/134638.pdf
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>>65440610
Who makes these shitty diagrams
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>>65440833
DEI jeets and nigs
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>>65440833
I love these diagrams, maybe you need a high IQ to understand them
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>>65440833
They're meant for a slide show to be delivered by a guy explaining as he goes, they're necessarily obtuse when viewed in a vacuum.
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I'm not really hopeful for the US drones they have pervasive inertia when it comes drones apart from reaper-likes.

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When the recent ruling leading to less restrictions on short barreled rifles, I'd love to hear what you think would be the optimal home defense setup.
>What rifle would you have?
>What caliber would it be?
>What would be the barrel length and overall length of the rifle?
>What specific ammo would you keep loaded in it? (HP? softpoint? good ole m855?)
>Any attachments or accessories?
I personally have a pistol-braced AR with a 10.5 inch barrel loaded with 55 gr ballistic tip .223 with a Sig Sauer red dot.
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>>65440365
God I can tell I was exhausted when I wrote this.
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>>65438769
11.5 556 AR with a can using barrier blind soft point or MP5 with a can using federal HST. Lower threat level go with the MP5 higher threat level grab the AR. Optics on both would be reflex sight ie red dots and holographics with 1k lumen flashlights.
>>65438840
>just use this shit ass blowback instead of amazing roller delayed dead reliable PCC
No thank you
>>65439692
based FBI they also use 40 round Pmags which is also based
>>65439575
Trurkroach MP5 is good
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>>65440346
I have shot indoors without earpro. I much prefer shooting indoors with subsonics and a can.
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>>65438833
TBF used by SAS better of with MCX rattler in 10 inch .300blk sub
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>>65441827
Right. And 135dB indoors is a lot better than 165dB indoors without compromising ballistics.

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I haven't seen any combat footage of these guys in ages.
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>>65441799
It's from the wars in Chechenya. Russians needed a way to destroy city blocks, and a Russian commander's authority only carries as far as he can yell so range is irrelevant, he needs to be able to grab Ivan Conscriptovich by the ear and point at the hospital he wants him to shoot at.
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>>65427846
It's fucking kino when you get one off in Warno though and the enemy's town turns into hell on earth with no survivors.
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>>65434922
I just imagined some poor russian bastard shoving and old pipe down one of the barrels hoping it makes them look like a tank
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And I was taught that the appearance of this thing would be a major indicator of enemy force concentration. Basically, this would identify where the main enemy effort is likely to take place (or it could be a major feint too I guess).
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>>65425655
SRM carriers almost never survive contact with the enemy, anonymous.

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>>65444031
>they are capricious and select "accused" seemingly at random
This again ignores all the other logistical problems if that were to happen. Does everyone need to turn them in or register now? Why wouldn't you just announce that without raiding people? Do you think any agency of the government will willingly do that much additional paperwork all at once? Every agency on earth would beg for grandfathering just to avoid that.

>Adamiak
Maybe the poor bastard was railroaded by the justice system, but that case always made me extremely suspicious. It's supposedly been brought up to the current admin before and nothing happened. I suspect he directly told an ATFaggot he'd bend a MAC flat for them or something.
>Malinowski
I don't know much about him but google says he was boomer genius #857 who found out he could buy a hundred guns then sell them at a gun show to people who didn't want to have a background check. Then shot at the ATF when they showed up to arrest him, resulting in him being shot and killed. Am I being given some goyfeed fabrication? That all sounds entirely normal and even dare I say reasonable. If you shoot at cops they'll kill you. Buying 150 guns on 4473s yourself then selling every single one private sale at a gunshow to anyone with cash will likely result in the ATF figuring out you are a straw purchaser.
>but if it does i'll kick in for your legal fees.
Here's my own olive branch, lighten up and join the rest of us, ATF basically confirmed it's all good. https://www.ammoland.com/2026/08/ffls-pass-atf-inspections-after-transferring-suppressors-on-form-4473/
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>>65444065
>boomer genius #857 who found out he could buy a hundred guns then sell them at a gun show to people who didn't want to have a background check. Then shot at the ATF when they showed up to arrest him, resulting in him being shot and killed.
Lmao based and he didn't break any laws unless he intentionally sold to felons.
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>>65445342
I think the issue was he broke the law when he started shooting at the ATF agents who were coming for him.
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>>65444065
>>65445342
guns that Malinowski sold were (allegedly) being recovered from crime scenes. They no-knocked his house at 5AM, he probably thought one of his customers was coming to rob him. Malinowski had a designated parking spot at the airport, ATF could have snatched him there without any issue, but chose the worst option.
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>>65445492
I don't feel bad when pigs die trying to terrorize citizens instead of handling it like adults within the bounds of the law. The point is legally authorized terrorism and execution of american citizens without due process. The pigs should be charged for their fellow pig's death, same as when someone dies robbing a shoe store.

Even if guns are recovered at crime scenes that is not probable cause he sold them to felons and doesnt justify a raid. Once its out of his hands he has no responsibility.
>ATF knocks on his door
>I sold them at a gun show to someone who wasnt a felon. I'm not required to provide any records because I don't have any. Bye
End of story.

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What if you used liquid hydrogen as the fuel for SAMs?
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>>65441978
They would be extremely unreliable because liquid hydrogen leaks straight through solid metal (due to the atoms being so small). Also needs to be fuelled directly before launch because the cryogenic fuel needs to stay cold, can't just have it sitting in the tank or it will all boil off. So even by the time you fuel it whatever you are trying to shoot down has been and gone and then if you then try to launch it (without rigorous inspections) chances are it just blows up.
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>>65442640
>i hate nature the rocket
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>>65442019
>>65442098
>>65442640
Been done before.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KX-0Xw6kkrc
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>>65442954
They had lots of exciting ideas to evaluate.
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>>65442954
The radioactive self-heating is the innovative part that hasn't been done before. It saves the weight that would otherwise be needed for insulation.

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Where do you buy your surplus firearms from?

I want a k31 or at least an Arisaka or something but I’m not sure where to find them at reasonable prices
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>>65435622
Some quick googlefu got me this for your price range if you select the cheapest options.
https://max-arms.com/product/wf-swiss-k31-rifle/
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>>65436829
The entire point of milsurp is the historical value of it. Old hunting rifles don’t really have that. Why would you track down an antique hunting rifle when you can just buy a Tikka T3x at any big box store for less than 1000 bucks?
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>>65441061
Yeah, but a Sako Forester L579 in .243 pre-garcia is pretty fucking cool for not being surplus.
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>>65435233
Fucking mart-sharters. I recently bought a G11 for 200€ and my K31 for 380€.
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>>65441061
Just because a gun was used by a military doesnt mean it has any historical value. A gun used by my countrymen to sustain themselves has much more historical value than some rifle that was issued to some dude who likely never fired it outside of training, got put in storage, sat for 50 years, then got bought by a U.S. importer. Unless a rifle has PROVENANCE there cannot be historical value

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So NATO just tested bumfucking Kaliningrad out of fucking nowhere.

On August 18, NATO conducted large-scale air maneuvers near Russia’s Kaliningrad Oblast. Approximately 25 aircraft from various Alliance countries took part in the flights, which originated from Poland and the Baltic states.

The AirNav Radar service identified the following aircraft in the air group: American C-40A Clipper and EA-37B Compass Call II aircraft, an E-3A Sentry long-range radar detection aircraft, Polish Gulfstream G550s, Airbus A330 MRTT refueling aircraft from the Multinational Fleet (MMF), a Lithuanian Let L-410UVP, and U.S. AH-64E Apache Guardian attack helicopters.

Separate activity was recorded in the Skagerrak Strait between Norway and Denmark. There, a British P-8A Poseidon patrol aircraft, together with a German military aircraft, flew over a designated area for several hours.

A distinctive feature of these maneuvers was the composition of the air group, which combined reconnaissance, command and control, electronic warfare, aerial refueling, and strike capabilities.

Main functions of the aircraft:

EA-37B Compass Call II — an electronic warfare aircraft designed to jam enemy communications and electronic systems;
E-3A Sentry — a long-range radar detection and control aircraft that provides airspace surveillance and aviation coordination;
A330 MRTT — aerial refueling aircraft that enable other aircraft to remain airborne longer;

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>>65441830
No. It was a monumental error that cost them money by requiring massive extra defence spending. This failure should be brought up any time a lefty says anything about loosening defence export controls or softening relations with a hostile authoritarian nation.
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>>65441770
You send a Compass Call on an exercise to get an electronic order of battle for defences the exercise will provoke.
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>>65442003
>n-nafo trannies
lol seething.
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>>65441803
>Does 1917 not count?
not really in the context. The core for 1917 was the czar fell because he was perceived weak and had no appetite to start shooting anybody standing in their way. The one feeble attempt in Pidorsburg was followed with immediate regret. Same thing happened later with Gorbachev who could have ordered the machine gunners to shoot anybody standing on the Berlin wall, or balts standing in the baltic chain later, but chose not to.

Monke certainly has zero problems with that as his personality is aligned with the rest of the hard liner tyrants mentioned. No humanity, empathy, morals and equates fear with respect
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>>65441787
a warning. No matter how weak the political escalation managers and fifth columnists are, nato intelligence knows exactly the fuckery they are up to

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> greatest rifle ever ™ sucked and got people killed
> we came up with an update that shall fix these problems, here's our newest prototype
> It's an AK but with goofy tiny controls
Ke
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>>65441945
IIRC the 89 is the incestuous bastard child of the AR-18 and FNC.
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>>65441242
>goofy tiny controls
I think you mean "ergonomic"
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A report dated back to 1968:

https://thecoltar15resource.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/report-of-the-m16-rifle-review-panel-app-3-1.pdf
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>>65441272
Taiwanese t91?
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>>65441942
>doesnt know about the "M64" (actually just the original M70) with actual bolt hold open

This is my first ever 4chan post, so I'm sorry if it's dogshit.
I recently turned 18 and I've REALLY been wanting to get my first gun. I live in a state in the US with pretty loose gun laws, so I think that it'll be fine actually procuring the gun. The only real issue is which gun I should get. I've thought about this before and I think a "good" choice is a Remington 760 chambered in .30-06. I should probably clarify that I'm NOT thinking of getting this because of it's bad history. What do you guys think? What should my first gun be?
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>>65436884

I agree with a 10/22, but why a glock 19 over a 17? A full size handgun is much more pleasant to handle than a compact.
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>>65435711
>What do you guys think? What should my first gun be?
Since it's your first gun, you should considering something easy and fun to shoot, that's not much of an investment.
.30-06 is an expensive round for plinking, so I would suggest considering something in 5.56.
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>>65436876
>some other obscure bullshit cartridge thats over 5 dollars per round
>8x56 is 4 euros per round
It hurts
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>first
Ruger 10/22

>second
Some flavor of 5.56 AR15

After that, get a carry pistol and a pump 12ga in whatever order you see fit. After that, the world is your oyster.
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>>65435711
Didn't bother reading other replies. Get a Mossberg Maverick 88 Security, they're cheap, 12ga can be used for hunting birds, deer, pigs, used for home defense, or just used as a cheap range gun to learn on if you're new to the hobby.

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Post poor gun etiquette and stupidity

>ohio man freaks out when hot casing goes down his shirt and ends up shooting himself through the right cheek. he survive
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>>65438534
>even on an anonymous Chinese anime and flecktarn collectors forum the redditor cuck must fellate the negro he worships
And back you go
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>>65409363
Retards stay winning.
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>>65408780
>you're not a deal /k/ommando if you don't practice like this
>deal /k/ommando
How does one learn this power?
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>>65407886
Its pretty suss when Glock 19 users' carts fall out on the dirt
Other than that it is an easy to fire weapon
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>>65409100
Naw dawg don't do my nigga Gucci like that
Lemonade
The Burrprint?
Pussy Print?
Ya'll niggas can't fuck with my nigga Gooch


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