A place for discussion of pre-WotC D&D, OSR retroclones, and OSR-adjacent games.>Is this a general?No, just a place to discuss OSR and related content.>Isn't there an OSR thread already?No, the current regulars of /osrg/ have made it clear they only want to see a narrow subset of OSR games in the thread.This means the name /osrg/ is somewhat misleading, but that's their problem.Please report and ignore any trolling.Previous Thread>>98463171>TQWhat's your fav 1st level adventure?
>>98493851>Someone mentioned psionics, and then went completely silent about it.Oh yeah, no one wants to talk to you about it, go figure.You really need to work on your whole "actually being able to talk about things in good faith" thing if you actually want people to talk with you about topics, instead of just pointing out all you can do is argue in bad faith.
>>98493855...Okay? Im not making any claims about how gary did or didnt play. Besides that, he largely played OD&D.>>98493860So... you just wanna have a tantrum instead of giving examples of the claim you made?
>>98493864>...Okay?That's some egg on your face.Look. Let's be clear about something.You're not cute. This whole /v/-style "if you don't like it, it means you need to git good" trolling doesn't really work here, and at the point where you've boxed yourself into arguing that even Gygax didn't like a pretty widely disliked bit of rules because of "skill issues" is where you really don't deserve any further attention.
>>98493875>that's some egg on your face....for what? I never said anything about how gary played, thats you. Your one and singular complaint about 1e RAW being too hard, is that WSF takes too much time to use. Youre also the bozo claiming that there is no tactical impact on using a longsword vs a 2h sword.Its okay to be an angry nogames, just git gud and play AD&D.
>>98493875>>98493880This anon(lol) had to backpedal from >there is no tactical choice to >I don't understand the choices to >Its no fun for me to be dumb
AI revolution edition>Cyberpunk 2020 vs. Cyberpunk RED?Cyberpunk 2020 is the second edition of the Cyberpunk TTRPG by R. Talsorian Games, set in a (then) future inspired by film noir and the dark science fiction films and books of the late 20th century. It focuses on simulationist gameplay and lethal near-future combat.Cyberpunk RED is the latest edition of the Cyberpunk TTRPG, set after the devastating Fourth Corporate War. It focuses on more balanced, streamlined gameplay and is currently supported by R. Talsorian Games.>Resources for RED:https://datapool2045.net/>RED has free DLC and extra content, including character sheets: https://rtalsoriangames.com/downloadable-content/>RED Easy Mode is available for FREE: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/409912/cyberpunk-red-easy-modeComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>98455914>Very nice. Drones are underused.I use drones the way they are used in Cyberpunk 2077. Not sure how canonical that is- but cops use drones, special forces use them and corps guard their spaces with them.>no sleep, can't be seduced>There's no quickhacks yet
>>98490255As the other guy said 90sp is basically untouchable especially when going over 300mph. And it has 8 hardpoints for anything ranging from automatic grenade launchers to rocket packs to miniguns to 30mm autocannons. I've never seen it used, but I also haven't played in that many games unfortunately, and never done enough in said games to warrant the Ref whipping it out. Basically any vehicle though can be a death sentence for a party, Trauma Team vehicles in the core book are described as having miniguns and there's a non insignificant chance they'll use them on you
>>98490857They're slowly moving away from the stupid Monopoly money system and are treating Price Categories more like Availabilty. So, for example, an item can be cheap but difficult to source or expensive but relatively easy to acquire (i.e., you don't need a Fixer). This is a good change.
>>98482663GM will have to offer a big gig for the crew so that they are initiated into the big leagues. It's a classic thing. Night City merc life isn't Farmville.
How do you 2020 people handle, if at all, the weird roles from the firestorm books like pic?
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>>98487570I love this.
>>98490545>>98488140>>98487611>>98486487>>98482504Do the world a favor and (please) kill yourself.
>>98429463I mean it.
>>98491297KITTY MOMMY MILKIES FOR THE FIRST GUARDSMAN TO GO OVER THE TOP
>>98493122The captain made a promise she is not ready to fulfill. >>98491633>>98491926thanks!
What's the most money you ever spent in a game that provided no mechanical benefit?
>>98493112Queen Rebecca of the Maple Syrup Kingdom smiles upon you.
>>98490481The fact that she was a princess probably had nothing to do with it to be honest...
an OSR game i played in had some organic money sinks. yeah it's OSR so gp = XP, but we were working towards fixing the church roof and snit.it all 'mattered' in the end, that's just how these games work (rebuilt church = oh cool, a new cleric in town). but it was part of the 'story' the same way as>my epic D&D courtroom case: a greentrxt dale.
Relative to how much money I actually made was a paladin who donated most of what he made to whoever seemed to most need it and never expected or got anything back for it.The most as in biggest number was a Traveller character who gave his savings to his parents because he thought he was going on a suicide mission.
I think we would need to exclude "at the end of the campaign" expenditures; those shouldn't count, because nothing has a mechanical benefit when the game is over. Otherwise, I could say "a tract of land and a farmhouse."Other than that? Probably only a paltry 100 gold pieces to get a kid out of town who only joined up with an evil group because he had no other way to make ends meat.
can we replace the insult 'nogames' with the term 'theorygamer'?there are all sorts of valid reasons someone might not literally, actually play games.
>>98492693Frankly, the majority of people who make those threads now just ask the question and never engage ever. Usually comes with an ai generated pic too. More people will take you for trying to make a sincere attempt at discussion if you provide your own thoughts and-or examples to give something to discuss, but not all.
>>98475769Lots of autistic players delve into rules without actually playing. Had a friend who had a very strong opinion about tactics and army list design in 40k without having ever played a game.
>>98492741Your friend sounds like he at least knew enough to talk about the game in mechanical terms and unit selection. He may be entirely wrong on all points, but that's still leagues ahead of the average nogames shit we see on /tg/ these days.
>>98492693>and ruining any chance of discussion.There is no fucking discussion to ruin. 'What colour and flavour are elf buttholes in your setting' doesn't create anything worth talking about. Nobody in those threads replies to anyone else. People saw the pointlessness of these threads and stopped replying.
>>98492708It's truly that simple. Nearly every one of these fucking worthless waste of space threads could be formatted and presented in a way that provokes actual discussion and engagement, but whoever keeps making them, bots, mods, or mod-protected subhuman shitstains, seems incapable of even feigning interest in spurring legitimate conversation about anything. It's genuinely not that hard to frame any of these things as something from a game, for a game, or that happened during a game, but they don't even try.So, with no real fucking reason for why they can't just frame their bullshit in a constructive way, what are we left to assume? That they're just retarded? Probably not, because that's too easy. A retard would have gotten bored by now, receiving the same dozen replies and total disinterest in their threads, followed by having to desperately bump every one the second they get to page 10. So the only thing we can reasonably assume is that these people are being antagonistic and malicious, as no other reason properly explains a dedicated, multi-years-long campaign of spamming pointless bullshit.
I decided to start this thread because i need to get out of my system a bit of frustration accumulated with the hobby, feel free to join in with your own.Here goes:>be me>get asked to join online 5e game by friend>not particularly fond of 5e and online games in general but whatever, i can still have my fun plus my friend wants to DM>say to him that i'm in but, since i'm already playing in a rl game, i would prefer to partake in something not very intensive>friend says that's fine>after a couple of days friend adds me to a chat group, rushes me to make a character and write an articulated BG because we're having a session 0 in the evening of the same day>wtf>explain to him that usually session 0 is for making characters together other than simply introducing the game plus he's walking me on a tightrope since i was working on some stuff that day, but since he was very enthusiast i said that i would work it out for the game anyways*strike one*>build up a character on my phone, write on the spot a concise bg and send everything to him>meet at the game>session 0 is literally fucking session 1 since we start playing immediatelyComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>98489972I host a weekly game at my place (I have a gaming table in my basement) and I cook a meal. It astonishes the two zoomers in the group, but this was a very normal thing 20 or 30 years ago. I have never asked for money, but if someone wants to contribute I tell them to bring snacks, desserts, or beer. That’s just part of game day for me. It’s a social event with people I know, so food and beer are mandatory.The rise of online gaming has been more damaging than some realize.
Friend of mine, chefbro, runs a pathfinder group. He's enthusiastic but he's made a few mistakes like having too many players. There's 7 players, so doing anything takes ages. He's also frustrated that only three of us, myself and two others, want to roleplay, the others just want to beeline the next fight and roll dice instead of interacting with the world he created, and ones a minmaxxer whom makes busted characters with insane plusses to stuff. But he can't get rid of the minmaxxer as he's got ties to three of the others, so he would know if he was missing out, and two of those have ties to one of the role players, so it's a mess.Also chefbro refuses to try any game other than dnd or pathfinder despite my efforts. Though I may have him, I agreed to run a pathfinder campaign for him and a few others on the condition I get to run another afterwards using a system of my choosing. I hope to break him out of the d20 cult.
>>98488481I’ve got color autism bigly and I’ve bought so many different shades and tones of the same colored paint to find the right one usually under the assumption the dried state is different from the bottle liquid form.I’m a bit stupid too because one minute I’m thinking of bright colors and thinking they’re too bright and another time I pick more realistic tones and think they’re too dark that they’ll look like black blobs at tabletop viewing distance.
>>98488481>>98488498>>98488501You sound like a whiny faggot. I was expecting something offputting to happen but its just you bitching about your friends behind their back.
I have come to the brutal conclusion after 8 years of playing thatD&D is a lot more fun in my head then in reality.I also think most people who DM this game think they can recreate the epic moments in video games, movies or novels on the table and it just doesn't work that way.
Has the patient gotten any better ever since Dr. Cook made his diagnosis?
>>98493572In his words>i wrote this in a way that was intentionally hard to understand, and thought that was a good ideaBut then i read something based on my work and i struggled to understand it, and now that its happening to me i dont like difficult writing any more
>>98493394Ivory Tower game design has its advantage. For one thing, skill expression becomes a lot more obvious when someone brings in an actually decent build. Secondly, if you obsess over balance and 'logic' too much you end up with PF where their endless attempts to errata and hotfix their own shitty ruleset just makes things worse in the long run, creating a perpetual motion machine of their own incompetence. Much like modern 40k.
>>98493547>I disagree. Explaining a process methodically is far from explaining the intended use or expected value of an ingame choice,They do explain the intended use or expected value though. That's what the Sword and Fist, Tome and Blood, Song and Silence, etc. books were about, guiding the players in creating characters and explaining the various options more in depth. They couldn't have all that information in the Player's Handbook because the PH was already a lengthy book and it was going to be the one that player's referenced most often. Instead of making players flip through a thousand-plus page monstrosity, they kept only the basics in the PH and all the expanded, more focused guides in the following books. >its obvious that all the other spells/weapons/whatever are tuned to a standard one degree below the "correct" choice. They often have gimmicky other powers that might lead to unexpected synergies. It's basically playing it safe, in case a spell that deals less damage than a Fireball but also slows everyone's movement by five feet ends up being combined with some other abilities and creates a situation where the enemies are unable to do anything.>Speaking of, fireball is not balanced around resistance. For one, lightning bolt is right there with the same damage profileLightning bolt is considerably harder to use to damage as many creatures as Fireball, and the balance is the less creatures resist Lightning Bolt.> elemental adept lets you ignore resistances alltogether.As an option, at the expense of others. And, it's not mandatory, largely because being a blasty wizard tends to be one of the weaker types. Fireball is appealing because it's simple, direct, and powerful, but it's often actually outclassed by spells like Fly or Counterspell or Major Image, which can often "solve" a battle in a fashion other than reducing all the enemy's HP to zero.
>>98493651What he thought he was doing and what actually happened are at odds with each other. He thought he was making something that would gradually evoke a sense of system mastery as players repeatedly hammered their own dicks trying out every combo of every character option until they achieved enlightenment and realized which ones were worth taking in high specific niche situations. What he created as a monument to shitty design and antagonistic autism.
>>98493726No, what he was doing was trying to make a case for why people should buy his friend's D&D for Dummies book, a pretty worthless and unnecessary book that really only gave advice that the books already had given.His whole thing about rewarding system mastery is kinda like a guy explaining to you that if you want to pick up chicks you need to know how to deliver cool and suave lines, before he tries to get you to buy his friend's "Pick-up Lines for Total Retards" book.
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>>98488806What, like a security blanket?
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>>98493649>particularly with regards to languageI'd have sworn that 90% of the French/Vietnese interaction happened under the bedsheets, judging from my "Vietnamese" ex, who insisted she was pure Viet, but had green eyes and paler skin than me.
>>98493664Ope. You killed the thread. You get to make the new one.
>>98493683Ope. I sure did. Baking.
Order up!>>98493725>>98493725>>98493725
>>98493677>green eyed asianDavid Lo Pan would like a word with her.
I wonder if the reason why the world is so high in a lot of fantasy settings is because dragons have a lot of magical powers right? As sorcerers of a generally high level, if they wish to do so they can simply go through the elemental magical planes in order to dine on some food after all, so naturally because of this whenever they come back to the material world, they begin to shit everywhere and it's highly unlikely that they would brown all over their caves. Even if they have a cloaca and not an anus, I believe that thanks to their precognitive abilities they would be able to predict when they need to go to the bathroom and as such have a rather strong sense of hygiene as well. This is probably why the elves are so snooty, they look up to the dragons and notice that their dens are not full of feces. Because of their body mass and volume of food they eat, the dragons help populate the world with their dung and spread it around across the world, feeding into the planet with their magical nutrients all sorts of plants gain magical properties from the elemental planes and through this animals also start to become more magical and even druidic magic comes to be usable to the elect few who can practice it because well at this point EVERY plant in the world is magical and also because of this, every single living thing in this planet is also magical even if they don't wish to. This is why the fighter doesn't die from touching magical weapons, the radiation doesn't bother the fighter because even someone who is as unmagical as a fighter has regular exposure to high concentrations of sorcery and through this they are able to power themselves up on magical gear. And this is like the least magical class, a barbarian is basically surging with magic because of all the magical creatures they eat on the regular to keep their muscles big and strong.
>>98493307>mana is broken down dragon poop Worked for Dune.
>>98493307Was it schizophrenia?
>>98493457I have how accurate this is.
>>98493307>Because of their body mass and volume of food they eat, the dragons help populate the world with their dung and spread it around across the world, feeding into the planet with their magical nutrients all sorts of plants gain magical properties from the elemental planes and through this animals also start to become more magical and even druidic magic comes to be usable to the elect few who can practice it because well at this point EVERY plant in the world is magical and also because of this, every single living thing in this planet is also magical even if they don't wish to.I know this is a literal shit post, but this is technically how magic is sustained in like over a dozen settings including, but not limited to: Conquest of Elysium, Dungeon Meshi, "sort of" The Witcher, and World of Warcraft. And for good reason: it's naturalistic, it has a lot of moving parts but is deceptively simple, and people think it's "neat". I know some people might say "Game of Thrones", but that would be incorrect as the dragons 'sustain magic' through some kind of sympathetic phenomena by their mere presence as opposed to an actual layered ecological process.
Ohayo EditionDiscuss elves.Post elves.Love elves.All elf lore, games, stories, and anything else elfy is all appreciated. No AI or anime, please.Thread question:In your opinion, which artist draws the best elves?
>>98490793Now this is content for the wholesome elf thread
>>98491408>Ynneadliterally abortion>harlequinswhat if I'm not talented enough for theater? and besides, not a given, it is more like a gamble with slaanesh and you hope cegorach is winning
>>98491412Pornfaggots Literally Only Want One Thing And It's Fucking Disgusting
a small gift for noldorfaghttps://files.catbox.moe/9u6np8.png
>>98489219elves were originally faeries, either a type of faerie or a synonym for them hence they were used interchangeably with goblin, hobgoblin, fairie, pixie, etc.keebler elves and santas elves are a holdover of those types of elves, where they are short humans with a whimsical desire to make toys/cookies for reasons beyond our comprehension
Give me the ultimate dude bro heterosexual man game. Extra points for edginess.
>>98473489No fucking way. Not even troons are that retarded.
>>98486479So... my the only chance for playing a shortstack is rolling the Eskimo?
>>98492911They're men who think they're women, what do you think?
lol your entire ideology was penned by a cabal of jewish pedophiles get a grip
>>98472864F.A.T.A.L.
Why does the Imperium even bother with Sisters of battle considering how ineffectual women soldiers are. Not to mention emotionally vulnerable, which is a much bigger deal in the 40k universe because literal demons exist. Are they just a propaganda unit?
>>98493371reread what I wrote>While they do have weapons fo self defence and they accompany other imperial forces on the battlefield>they show great courage due to being utterly indoctrinated from childhood>they are still able to achieve great feats of courage and strength from time to time they should remain nuns with guns but not elite fighters
>>98493386Why are you cherry picking your own arguments? You said yourself that they'd be more like cheerleaders, which is retarded, they should be nuns with guns 24/7, and an important part of that is SHOOTING THE GUNS. >their actual role is more to serve as inspirational figures>sororitas are jut over glorified "holy cheerleaders">but most tales of their victories and of their extraordinary fighting prowess is actually imperial propaganda which doesn't reflect their real battlefield recordYour retarded fanfiction removes everything that makes the SoB awesome, you're clearly just a marinefag or guardfag that doesn't give a shit about the Sisters in the first place.
>>98493386>they should remain nuns with guns but not elite fightersNTALame and gay. They're much sexier and more interesting as elite fighters. If you want >muh everyman bravery in extraordinary circumstances go back to the guard.
>>98475052>>98487068Good concept. The name is cringe, but I guess it's more recognisable than something that might attempting to be technically correct like "Pathological Diegesis"
>>98487068What about Thermian Syndrome? Obviously it's the same idea, but it better describes people who can't separate fiction from reality in general.
Succubus Edition>2024 Core Rulebookshttps://mega(dot)nz/folder/d2ohSCSL#5HnqSMJncr9Queh8KDzbSQ>2024 Official free ruleshttps://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/free-rules>2014 Official Free Ruleshttps://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/basic-rules-2014>2024 UAhttps://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/ua>2014 Erratahttps://dnd.wizards.com/dndstudioblog/sage-advice-book-updatesComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>98483641I want to be a Dragonborn Draconic Bloodline Sorcerer/Dragon Pact Warlock multiclass.Solasta: Crown of the Magister did a homebrew insect hivemind pact warlock that I think is a really cool idea.
Anyone scan a full copy of Arcana Unleashed yet?
>>98493495Makes me think of a Worm that Walks, what sort of abilities does it give you in Solasta?
>>98493571https://solastacrownofthemagister.fandom.com/wiki/Warlocks#The_Hive
>>98493582Huh, very different direction then I was expecting.
Is the 6 attribute system based or kringe
>>98486547>Conceptually I still think con is probably the weakest stat though.3e D&D did a number on Con's importance. In 1e and 2e, a Con of 10 meant that you had a 30% of dying every time you changed shape, get petrified or magically age and a 25% chance of failing to resurrect when raise dead and resurrection are cast on you. Haste was powerful but dangerous if cast on low Con characters and Resurrection could kill the caster as they magically aged you.Facing a Medusa was extremely dangerous even at high levels because failing a Petrification save (which were harder to make then Paralyze/Poison/Death saves) meant you need to succeed on two System shock rolls or end up a corpse.
>>98465229basedhave you seen the rifts attributes? there's 8 of them and it's overcomplicatedthe only way to simplify is to put str and con in to one, dex by itself, and a mental stat for int, wis and cha>>98486547>conceptually weakest statthat would be charisma. social skills are mental but they depend on the mentality of others involved
>>98473848>like extra spell slots, ki points, superiority dice, or whatever,I think gurps works exactly like that, hp comes from your str and health is rolled to resist pain, diseases and fatigue, that kind of thingsbut i don't like how gurps does the rest of the stats
>>98488812>I think gurps works exactly like thatIt is exactly how it works in GURPS. HT (the CON equivalent) gives FP (Fatigue Points), which you can spend to use any special ability (magic spells, psionic powers, bardic enthrallment, cinematic martial arts skills, etc.) or enhance any mundane capability (use Extra Effort to hit harder, run faster, jump further, etc.). It also influences Basic Speed (Dodge chance, Move rate, and Initiative) and and is used in Death saves, Stun saves, natural recovery, etc.Meanwhile ST gives HP, so the big strong guys are exactly as tough as you expect them to be. You can still choose to specialize into only HP, only damage, or only carrying capacity, but this is the default.GURPS is the only game I know of that does ST and HT the way it does, and honestly, after being introduced to the way it works in GURPS, it feels like the only way that makes any sense in any context. Every other game that doesn't do Strength and Health this way just feels automatically worse.I kind of agree with you on the other attributes, though. DX and IQ feel way too broad and too cheap for how much they cover. At least it's easy to fix with a couple tweaks. Raise the price of DX and IQ, or set a cap on them. That way PCs are encouraged to specialize into secondary characteristics, traits, talents, skills, and so on.
>>98465229>dex gives chance to hit, damage, chance to get hit, and defines your capability in several skills>str...uhh, does some of that, but not really as well.
