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AIRSOFTISMANLYSPORT Edition

Old Thread: >>180399

Keep strictly real-steel related topics in >>>/k/, gun and gear porn's cool as long as you don't spam.

If you have a useful guide or want to rework one for the OP, post it and someone will add it to the next one.

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>>195298
are you gettting as scope too?
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>>189806
>not a single BMI below 30
The Reich's legacy :)
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>>195358
Yes but will have to be a long eye relief one mounted on with an adapter. Lever gets in the way of a regular pu scope.
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>>189855
It would be more true to history if you also tried to have a minimal level of physical fitness too, butterboy.

I'm too self conscious to bring myself to go a local boxing gym. Never thrown an actual punch at a human in my life apart from my piece of shit mother when I was 14 years old (the cunt wouldn't stop beating me and had to be taught a lesson). But I've been watching some Chris Eubank Senior videos recently and now I'm hooked. How does a person get started on a budget? Also I can't have any hanging bags, I rent so can't damage the walls or ceiling.
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>>195111
Is making money with boxing your only goal? How silly.
In that case you've already won, because you found other, better means of making money that don't involve getting punched in the head for the enjoyment of strangers.

>its not like I can get good
I guarantee you can become better than you are right now, you no-training faggot. Fucking bizarre, I don't understand you. Do you want to do boxing or not? It's perfectly valid to train as an amateur hobbyist, in fact the overwhelming majority of people training are amateur hobbyists. Only a small portion of people who train are competitors, and an even smaller fraction of those are paid professionals.
If you don't wanna train, fine, do something else. But don't let fear of embarrassment prevent you from doing something you want to do, and then pine away over misspent time.
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>>195162
>you found other, better means of making money
uh
No I really want to do it but I know Ill never be good and going to a gym is literal torture. Im fucking terrified of people
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>>195288
Don't know what to tell ya, chief. I'm not a psychologist. "I'll never be good" is not a valid reason to not do something. "It's scary" is also not a valid reason not to do something. If you want to do something, then do it. If you want to do something, then do it.
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>>195291
You just don't get it. Its too scary. And I want to be good. It's I can't be then there's no point
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>>195328
What do want him to say? Oh yeah mate you should just stay in your room and shadowbox you'll be "good". The questions been answered and clearly the problem is deeper than just logistics.

[spoiler]I'm rooting for you. I'm hoping you take this new interest as an opportunity to better yourself.[spoiler]

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I used to do martial arts for like 6ish years in highschool but had to stop. But I kind of miss it and want to try it again but can't really go to a dojo due to lack of money and driving ability.

What are some good martial arts that I could learn from home relatively inexpensively. I don't really want to learn to fight and mostly just want to learn katas and actually exercise again
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>>195177
nope sorry i dont particularly do it i just know that it is suggested along side thnigs like yoga for low impact long term health, best bet would be to start by looking for the largest youtube videos that are beginner and do different videos till you feel pretty good and then look to buy books/online courses for advanced and more technical stuff. if possible just pirate things
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Muay Thai or Kickboxing basics or learn traditional martial arts like Karate or Kung Fu is fun as fuck to do at home. You can even have fun and do full weeb shit like this guy:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxenkaB7HWQ&t=195s
Then do katas/taolu. I think the best thing to do is you will still go to a gym/dojo and learn the basics of a system then just do that at home.
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Some karate styles made documentaries showcasing their style's basics, warm-ups, stretching exercises, katas, supplementary exercises, power training, and history. The problem with learning these things online is that they can be dangerous. Get strong for a week then get crippled because of improper practice fucked up your ligaments or your heart or something. Specially that Sanchin kata where you tension your whole body while breathing in a specific way and in a rhythm matching your movements.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTmCpD6FA7I&t=176s
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RmCzJ0m1Xs&t=372s
There's probably better stuff out there that can teach you in how to do it safely. Better learn the basics first before solo practicing at home for exercise and fun.
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>>195183
you forgot the most important of them all

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>>194982

Tai chi is really good to prepare for shaolin. If you're not yoga flexible then it's not gonna be for you. Tai chi is a basic movement art that can spread into she shaolin fighting styles, and it's one of the styles itself.

Really can't learn any shaolin without a teacher to know what you're doing and put it all together. Their forms are a guide, though it looks kinda dumb to most.

Can't really learn wing chun either, all the wing chun sites on the internet aren't really scams, they're more or less for people that have taken them and do it time to time, or moved or something and there isn't a teacher around.

I could suggest tae kwon do, very good to get kicks down, or maybe the traditional muay tai?

Lots of running and strong legs will give you a slight advantage also.

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Why do KO rates differ so much?
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>>190348
Source for this graph? I had researched this before & got much larger numbers for UFC. Around 60%. For this graph to be true I am thinking it must be meaning only standing KOs?
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>>190353
I think you only researched KOs and submissions without including decisions
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>>190348
Slightly different rulesets favoring either striking or grappling styles. Additionally they may draft talents from different backgrounds, like ONE being a Muay Thai promotion dressed as MMA.
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>>190348
>Matchmaking
If you delibretly make lopsided matchups there are more likely gonna be finishes
>level of competition
For regional shows like LFA and CW, there are a lot of guys making their debut or very early in their career. So a lot of guys who haven't realied yet the sport isn't for them because they tend to quit, or have bad defence, or are naturally chinny.
>what kind of fighters promotions are looking for
This is more so a theory to explain why Bellator is so low, the UFC generally looks for and is more favorable to finishers (look at how Jon Fitch go cut after one loss, but Carlos Condit stayed on the roster after 5). Meanwhile Bellator tries to get whatever other high level fighters that aren't in the UFC. Which includes UFC reject that were let go for being boring, like Phil Davis, Ryan Badder, Corey Anderson and the aformention Jon Fitch.
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Nearly all street fights end with a KO/TKO
Professional fights don't end they way as much

The correlation would suggest the higher the skill level the lower the instances of a KO
And on its face that makes sense because defense is an easier skill than offense so although offensive capabilities increase with pros the defensive capabilities increase more

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But at the same time I also want to know how to throw a punch without looking like a retard. Am I going to have to sign up and pay for 2 different classes?
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>>195063
I am that guy and I kinda bailed on this thread for a bit because it sure seems like I'm wrong. Maybe I've just been lucky and come up in a good gym, but I've had no major injuries in years of grappling and competing and my current gym has had no major injuries as long as I've been here. We're not a mcdojo, either. We have a strong comp team and a few amateur MMA guys.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that any activity is going to have risk and while grappling may have more risk than running, you can mitigate that risk by how you train and who you train with. The spazzes in our gym are quickly taught how to not spaz or asked to leave if they are being dangerous. The higher level comp guys only roll with other comp guys or know to chill the fuck out when they're rolling with someone new or a hobbyist. I fully trust everyone I roll with to have my best interests in mind and even in the harder rolls I don't feel in danger. I've caught knees and elbows by accident and done the same to others but, thankfully, nothing serious besides some bruises.
It definitely sucks that you got cracked by someone's knee and I'm sorry you got hurt that way but it does seem like you've got some shit training partners. I've dropped into gyms where I felt like everyone was trying to just "win" and didn't care about their partners and I didn't like it, so I'm sorry this is your experience.
I'm definitely biased by my positive experiences with grappling and it seems you're biased by your negative ones. I still think grappling is the lowest impact legit martial art that most anyone can get into if they train smart. I've had way more minor injuries and headaches from training striking than BJJ but that's only my experience.

Anyway, hope you get better and sorry you got clocked like that, bro.
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>>195084
Look at this guy being uncharacteristically gentlemanly around here
He just might make it
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>>195097
Sorry, forgot we're on 4chan.

Fuck you faggot, git gud.
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>>195071
>PRP and stem cell injections, meniscus dissections, knee and hip replacements, ACL reattachments, labrum repairs, mufuggin back surgery, arthritis
Dude if you had all of these you are either extremely unlucky or trained poorly (overtrained, spazzed, ignored injuries). Injuries are a known risk but I know pretty serious black belts with only a knee or shoulder issue (that could be mitigated without surgery)
I also know people who have torn knee ligaments because they stepped off a large curb incorrectly.
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Bjj has many positions where your spine is a second away from having 200lbs of idiot smashed into it.

>welcome to the gym anon, today we're learning [technique], [counter1], [counter2], and [counter3]
>time to roll
>opponent launches [technique]
>heh, no problem, [counter1]
>suddenly [counter1counter] to instant tap
>repeat
>get fucking smoked nonstop for an hour
>repeat 3x/wk for a month
Why am I being set up for failure? Why am I giving these assholes money? When will they teach me the secret techniques? And why do I keep getting hit in the nuts "accidentally?" And why are protective cups forbidden? Am I enrolled in in a gay BDSM dungeon disguised as a martial arts studio?
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now that the retard has burned himself out the adults can start talking again

effectively what it comes down to is just because a person has a skill doesn't mean they're good at relaying the information, and since most athletes fall into the category of low IQ individuals the only way they can teach something is to say "just look at what I do and then copy it bro"
do yourself a favor and stop listening to what the "instructor" is telling you to do all the time, you need to be focused on personal skill goals you set for yourself. If you're forced to do static karate drilling and kata the way most bjj schools do and that's your only choice then just play along, then use the open mat time for personal development which is where you'll see actual improvements
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>>194719
>You will learn much faster and much more completely with your understanding If you are the one making the discoveries
I feel like there's a middleground between the brazil monkey see monkey do approach and the hands-off approach. Mindless repetition doesn't build critical thinking, but fumbling around in the dark with the occasional hint isn't leveraging the expert's knowledge efficiently.
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>>194881
It shouldn't be fumbling around in the dark, the instructor should be putting specific constraints on the player to Force a desired behavior to emerge
I think it's really a more active teaching style because the instructions will change depending on how the class is behaving

As an example I will give an exercise to play with
Then we bring it in and I ask everybody is there something they learned during that process, or is there something you maybe had trouble with during that which stands out to you?
And it's a group brain storm at that point where students can mention hey I realized putting my hand over here was a really effective frame. Great
and someone else can say oh I was having trouble moving towards the back because of where his knee was
Ok anyone have an idea about what he can do there?
"His right arm is free so try posting the elbow to give yourself a better angle?"
Ok let's go back and do the exercise again, keep in mind what we just talked about about
Doing it this way is immediate feedback dozens of times in a short amount of time
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>>194498
I bet you can't fight for shit and are a DYEL as well.
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>>194872
Great advice.

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>Hanging out at a party
>I find out some dude is a TKD blackbelt
>He starts doing these faggy party tricks like kicking bottle caps off of sodas and twirling in the air using completely inefficient and impractical tornado kicks
>Normies, being normies, completely eat this shit up and start cheering and yelling like it's the craziest thing they've ever seen
>I offer to spar him, knowing his flashy kicks will just get his ass beat
>I swarm him with a three piece combo to the head and body
>He kinda-sorta turtled up, but I KNOW I tagged him in all the gaps, and I KNOW he was kind of surprised, but he just sort of stumbled back and played it off like he blocked them all
>The crowd goes "wow, dang, good thing he blocked them all"
>WHAT?
>I LITERALLY tagged him like THREE TIMES, and they THINK he "blocked" them just because he kinda-sorta turtled up?
>He fakes a leg kick and transitions into that stupid 360 spinning back kick bullshit and it doesn't even hurt when it lands cause it was soft as fuck, but I stumble over a hitched part of the rug where it's sticking out, and I trip and fall over
>The whole crowd starts going crazy and going "nah bro, just stay down, just stay down, it's over"
>I'm literally one hundred percent fine, so I dust myself off and immediately stand back up to resume the spar, but everyone's already high fiving the other guy and telling me "it's over, it's over, just stay down"
>I tell them I just tripped over the rug, and the normies are like "yeah, cause taekwondo guy kicked you over it", and I tried explaining to them that I stumbled over it myself but they wouldn't listen and they kept saying the taekwondo guy won
>First of all, normies are so fucking stupid I can't even believe it, and are absolutely fucking clueless when it comes to fighting

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>>193334
Based TKD bro
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>>193334
damn TKD really works huh
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>>193109
>Anon gets owned like a 19-year-old with daddy issues in front of a bunch of people
>I SWARE ON ME MUM I TRIPPED ON AN INVISIBLE TURTLE
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>>194408
It works in street fights AND at parties, especially now that every other normie bitch is a koreeaboo.
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>>194748

This comment made my day lmfao

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Skydiving is the lamest "sport" ever conceived. There is no competitive aspect unlike basically every other sport. It's literally just drop from a plane and them pull the parachute. Obviously, there is some preparation that needs to go on but you don't have to be a peak athlete to skydive (and there's no competition so no reason to improve once you know the fundamentals.) And it lasts for literally about 10 seconds or less then it's over. The disciplines that are actually designed for competition like accuracy have almost no entrants and/or viewers even by extreme sports standards because it's a shitty spectator sport anyways. The only benchmark that exists is "muh records."

Also, BASE is a blood sport lmao. But skydiving seems easy once you are competent at it. Unless I'm missing something since I started finding out about it literally yesterday.
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>>191718
Skydiver here. Very few people in the sport 'compete.

Formation skydiving, be it belly or vertical, is pretty competitive but repetitive. Freestyle is nice to watch once, but then its boring. Wingsuit comps are even more boring.

Swooping comps are exciting, but it's like racing, most people are watching for the crashes.

For the average skydiver, you want 50-60 seconds of adrenaline in free fall, mostly tracking or having fun, and then possibly another 6-10 seconds of adrenaline if you choose to swoop.
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>>191779
I'm going to do it for first time. My ultimate goal is wingsuit flying. How difficult is it to do wingsuit and is it thrilling ?
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>>193018
Not very hard, you will need a minimum of 200 jumps to get into wingsuit flying, and generally a lot of dropzones have a dedicated wingsuit group that is pretty tight. What part of the US are you in? I can direct you to the best dropzone
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>>191718
>no reason to improve once you know the fundamentals
The only people who think this way are A license freshlings who think all the other freshlings are fucking up the dive flow and jump straight into freeflying because it makes them feel more advanced than they actually are. Being a good belly jumper takes hundreds of jumps.

>BASE is a blood sport lmao
Only if you're an idiot. The point of BASE jumping isn't to enjoy 3 seconds of free fall and avoid hitting any rocks on the way down to landing. People like being out in nature and exploring. Scouting out a landing area and poking around cliffs for hazards is part of the complete experience. If your idea of getting into BASE jumping is to go from being a couch potato to jumping off rocks you're in for a bad time. The people who really enjoy BASE jumping are the ones that would have enjoyed being out there even if they weren't BASE jumping. The jump is one part of the experience.

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>>194988
KC allowed other styles since a season ago you fucking retard
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>>181620
Kata has manly uses but it has lots of cryptic purpose behind it. You mostly see the punching, blocking and parrying techniques first. Other pieces include throwing and locking movements, which is known as "bunkai." Proper body mechanics, and footwork are also learned through Kata. Minimal risk of injury is also a benefit. Kata also makes teaching to a large amount of students easier. Kata is great for all ages as their is minimal risk of injury. Last of all their is a meditative and psychological aspect of Kata which takes away from the violent aspect of fighting and sparring. Without kata martial arts become less of an art and more about violence. If you think it's dancing, well learning how to dance helps you in dating also. If not keep sparring and get into fights every day, eventually you will get injured or get arrested for assault and wind up in jail. especially when you live in a safe region their is no need for hard sparring. In times of real trouble, you will be forced to get into real fights to get your skills up.
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>>183504
I prefer Filipino Martial arts where the drills have the forms in them. Drills like the feed and counter drills have kata like movement but you see the direct application of those form stances and footwork. Japanese Karate also has a different approach to Kata than the original Okinawan Karate. Okinawan Karate is much more suited for reality, while Japanese Karate is for public education.
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>>181554
I wish fighting video games had kata. The closest thing to Kata they have is the combo training and learning how to do the large hit combos.

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How did this happen???

I thought wrestling was useful in the street????
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>>192495
I really doubt based on that throw the guy had any kind of grappling experience at all.
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>>191923
This. Proper suplex makes sure the opponent is the one crashing to the floor. If you did it the judo way your arm will hit the floor and be stuck underneath
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>>191573
Its only useful if you're not a total wimp
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>>191573
You can notice that retard had 0 athletic skills the way he tried to lift the other dude with 0 leg strength
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>>191573
"Legit" self-defence instructors say that you can't do shit in a street fight due to stress

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What is your boxing style and stance? Why did you choose them?
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Russia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJMa9p2bk8w
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>>191448
He probably doesn't box a lot.
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>>191907
kek
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>>191447
i dont looks like none of these
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>>191569
>>191568
Kino

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He did nothing wrong
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>>189339
He was absolutely bottom of the rung dirt poor in Brazil (as a child he ate out of the trough like an animal at times).

He turned out to be pretty good at BJJ except he had some sort of mental problem where he wouldn't let go of locks and would just cripple people. Which - you can't have in professional sports. Also he was never the best of the best so he got booted out till he was fighting in bottom rung promotions and then fell off badly
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>>189474
Paul Harris is a walking big pharma ad, anon.
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>>189252
>He did nothing wrong
Not true,he was brazilian
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I wish someone had kept pummeling him after he got knocked out.
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The age when MMA fighters were violent brutes with a lot of issues was gone since UFC 10, now everything it's business and no need for violence

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So, what do you think? Can he do it this time?
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>>189064
Can he? Yes. He's stronger than last time and big guys like Levan don't have the gas for long fights.
Will he? Not likely. He's the underdog for a reason.
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Devon doesn't have the side pressure or internal rotation of Ermes and I don't see him beating Levans wrist .if Levan pulls with his Side pressure and pronation primarily maybe Devon can swindle him but if he brings the match to his side of the table and works efficiently yeah it's going to be a short night for the Canadian.
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Where can we watch it for free?
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>>194794
Would also like to know. Anyone?
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>>>/sp/140226637

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>Defeats black belt in BJJ with a blue belt
why does nobody go over this in class?
Step 1: Stand up
Step 2: There is no Step 2!
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>>194852
> Risk/reward
> In favor of boxing
Your defense must be a lot better than mine then. I caught 2 concussions within a year, and the worse of the 2 was in training when I tried to weave a feinted straight right directly into a left hook.

I've had a bad knee injury, lots of pulled muscles, and a popped rib from grappling, but I have never caught a severe headache for 8 hours straight from wrestling. I fucking hate getting punched in the head, even in heavy gloves and headgear.

> And if you think a fun game is men's sweaty infected feet around your head
Lol, never ask a guy on the wrestling team why it seems like everyone on the team, and their girlfriends, always seem to end up missing classes around the same time.
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>>194869
You don't have to spar heavy
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>>194869
You also don't even need to spar. You can be a bag warrior and learn to hit hard and fast. That will do more than bjj larping for most people, "fitness boxing" is underrated. You will be fit, fast etc
You don't need to get your head bashed in for years by pro and amateur boxers to put up a decent fight protecting yourself. Especially when most boxing shit goes out the window as soon as grappling is involved. Better off being strong, quick and injury free. Know how to throw a strong punch. Moderate safe sparring if you want. You're not a top pro, the neck, eye and brain injuries aren't going to be worth the heavy sparring
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>>194870
>>194871
> Don't go heavy
Sure, but that's kind of the rub, isn't it? You can turn it up semi-regulary in the grappling games, and unless you're working with guys still in their spazz out phase or someone who throws like an asshole, you're probably looking at some sore joints the next day. Wrestlers don't have a gear between stop and go anyway. Balls to the wall is how you learn that some throws can't be half assed or you will take a ride. Or when and where you have to put some elbow grease into some submissions to finish them.

Too many times, turning it up in the ring ended up with one of our guys sitting in a chair, puking into a bucket. But for a lot of us, that was the only way we understood how to work through another guy literally trying to knock our fucking faces off.

I won't say I'm smart enough to know where the optimum rate is, but I firmly believe you have to get in there occassionally and push it to validate all that other work you're putting in.
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>>194873
Might as well have an amateur fight if you're going to spar as hard as you can. At least you can have a proper record

>style of long arm chads
>counters cringe peekaboo style
>enemies can't hit you because of range control
>KO enemy easily because you are fast, strong, use full body on punches
>cool footwork
>cool guard
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>>190883
>>194141
>combines the styles
>90% KO rate
>undefeated
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>>190883
No one at the top level is fighting like this. This style is point fighting faggotry.
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>>190883
Not only are you going to gas yourself in the first round, you're not going to be able to respond to anything if both of your feet are off the ground.
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Sounds like what a fighter with a small weak core would do. You never see MMA fighters pull off soviet type shit.
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>>194865
if you're expending energy for no reason while your opponent is not, you are losng


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